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June 5th, 2009 8:06 PM
Sorry - one more thing. I agree that many characters have committed adultery and one instance isn't better or worse than another. I think that the difference with Gizzie is that the hurt party was a character that viewers knew. We didn't know Addison when Mer/Der started, Addison/Mark happened offscreen before we knew either of them, and we only saw Ava's husband one time. Not excusing all of that, but I do think that is why so many people had a hard time with it.
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June 5th, 2009 7:54 PM
Kim - I think that I could go through your post line by line and feel the exact opposite LOL! But thats OK, it just means that the show has something for everyone. There is no right or wrong interpretation, it is just how we see things and what characters we prefer. (Although I do like George and love his friendship with Izzie).
I can agree on a couple of things: For whatever reason, those characters who are portrayed as the "good" characters (Derek, Izzie, George) don't seem to get as much leeway as the "bad" characters (Alex, Meredith, Cristina) when they mess up. In some instances it is because they have been set up so high (McDreamy) and in some cases its because they don't always take responsibility for their mistakes.
I can also agree that Mer/Alex would probably make a more interesting couple than Mer/Derek (and possibly even Alex/Izzie), but we will never see it.
I guess I am just drawn more to the darker characters for whatever reason. (This is the first season
June 5th, 2009 6:08 PM
Me again.
I just wanted to add that I do adore Justin. I wish the writers would put more of him in Alex, but I think they have this season.
There are moments Alex was really sweet this season, and I have always loved his friendship with Meredith. In fact, don't kill me MerDer fans, but I wouldn't mind those two together. I know it will never happen, but one can dream.
I was also a huge huge huge Addisex fan.
With Gizzie and Owen and Cristina, they were my favorite couple.
I thought they were hot.
I love the fact Justin and TR are buddies in real life. They are two classy classy guys.
June 5th, 2009 5:53 PM
As for Callie, well, George was drunk when he slept with Izzie. He immediately tried to stay away from Izzie not to hurt Callie.
Derek when he left Meredith for Addison, kept having an emotional affair with Meredith and doing his best to hang around her.
George so didn't want to hurt Callie, he was ready to leave all his friends and his job to make that happen.
To me on the list of affairs, Gizzie is not as bad as the others.
Richard cheated on his wife for years.
Derek cheated on Addison twice without any guilt, and totally sober.
Alex slept with a married Ava, not caring how much ehr sweet husband loved her.
George to me was drunk, felt guilty, and had only married Callie because he was half mad with grief over his dad dying.
While I love Callie, I think it was wrong of her to take advantage of George and have him elope when his mind was clearly not all there.
I'm not excusing George, just saying his infidelity is not as bad as the others, and the others al
June 5th, 2009 5:45 PM
I don't see it that way.
To me, George is the one person Izzie was always the most passionate about.
She always acted like George was her entire world.
When they kissed in that elevator, I never saw such passion. They were completely lost in each other and the whole world stopped existing for them.
I have watched a million kisses, but that one is still the most passionate, the most tender, the most sexy and the most romantic kiss I have ever seen.
That kiss to me shows more than anything they were not only completely in love with each other, but that they desired each other body, heart and soul.
With Alex, I feel he is a buddy who she finds attractive, and whom she likes.
I think she is with Alex, because Alex is safe. She doesn't love him as deeply as she does Denny and George so he can't hurt her. I do think Alex loves her the way she loves Denny and George so she did hurt him that way many times.
Her relationship with George hurt Izzie so much. I think she
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June 5th, 2009 4:45 PM
Boy it is nice to discuss this stuff without name calling and all that stuff!
We will have to all agree to disagree, I guess. Personally, I always thought that Izzie sort of emasculated George and never took him seriously as a man, and that George thought Izzie was hot, but never thought about her the way he did about Meredith, for example. I do believe that Izzie loves George and vice-versa and that in many ways George does know her better than Alex, but I just never saw a real romantic/passionate connection between them. I did see Izzie look at Alex with real love this season. Unfortunately between the hallucination/ghostsex/masturbation sessions and then the cancer, Izzie had quite a bit on her mind.
When they got together, I think that they were each looking for something (or to get out of something) and thought that because they had that friend connection that it would be absolutely great (and simple) if they could find that in each other. But in the end, they couldn't
June 5th, 2009 3:28 PM
Wow karatemom, that is such a wonderful post. I agree with every words, especially about George keeping Izzie grounded.
I know who's to blame for their lack of scenes: Shonda and only Shonda.
I want to say I am a Gizzie fan, and mainly a George fan, but I think Alex, Izzie and George are all needed on the show.
They all bring so much, and I like the relationship the three have together.
I think it's great that people here can respect each other, no matter who they ship.
On other boards, people fight so much, it doesn't make you want to post at all.
i'm French so forgive the mistakes.
June 5th, 2009 2:48 PM
Ya know, Izzie needs George! He keeps her grounded. They need each other. They are each other's person. Too bad they didn't have but very little scenes together last season, we know whose fault that was, but why? George is a well loved character. So is Izzie.I hate when they replace a main character on a show. No one can fill their shoes. I hope that they both get on that elevator together and come back to us to continue their amazing friendship. Give TR more exposure, give George that girl he saved from that bus as his new love interest, save Izzie for herself and Alex, good lord give their characters a reason TO live!! Give them lines, Let Them Act!!
As for everyone else on the show, I Love All of Them! No one needs to leave! The show would definately not be the same without any one of them.
June 5th, 2009 1:42 PM
I'm fine with Gizzie as friends or more.
What bugs me is we didn't get anything this season.
Shonda acted like they weren't even best friends.
That's wrong.
Tr and Katie work so well together. It's so wrong Shonda won't give us any scenes with them.
If George leaves, I don't see myself watching anymore. It was terrible enough seeing him once or twice an episode. Not seeing him at all would be too much for me.
June 5th, 2009 1:40 PM
That's ok Emmeline.
I don't like Alex and Izzie, but I respect the fact that some do.
Both Gizzie and Alex and Izzie have a lot of fans.
I want George and Izzie to stay and be friends again. If they got back togetehr later on, I'd be so happy though.
I think they're soulmates. I always did.
George is my favorite character, and I really hope they stop backburnering him.
I missed him so much this season.
June 5th, 2009 1:34 PM
I want TR to stay. Justin is right, I have followed these characters from the beginning. I want TR and KH both to stay. It just won't be the same without them. Sure I will continue to watch, but with some sadness if they are gone. For me Grey's is the #1 show on tv and it is because of these great people playing these great characters and lets not forget Shonda and the writers. I am a very busy working mom and I always make time for Grey's Anatomy.
June 5th, 2009 1:25 PM
At first,I'm sorry for my english,but I'm french and it's complicated for me.
So,I want Izzie and George stay.They're nice characters in Grey's anatomy and I like them.I think Justin's right.
And I'm fond of Izzie/Alex relationship.I haven't seen the 5 season yet(it will begin in september in France) but I know they got married.And it makes me happy.I think they are made for each other.But it's only what I think and I respect that you think (if you're fan of Gizzie).
But I prefer Izzie and George's friend relationship.
Finally,I'd like the two stay,really.
June 5th, 2009 12:52 PM
I like both Alex and George, LOL. Good to see you do too, Greysaddiction.
I don't like Alex and Izzie. I just don't feel them, but I do love Alex.
I like him more than I do Izzie. I'm a Gizzie fan, but I also love George more than Izzie.
I love the love-hate he and George have. They clearly have some respect for each other deep down. That's why they get so much to each other.
I also love Justin and TR very much. They're my two favorite actors on the show.
Not all the George-Gizzie fans hate Alex. I sure don't.
June 5th, 2009 12:38 PM
OK, just to clarify.. I agree w/ Farrah's post 99%-- the missing 1% is b/c Alex does nothing for her (which is fine-- that is her opinion, I respect it!), but I actually do love the character of Alex Karev.
June 5th, 2009 12:33 PM
I agree 100% with Farrah's post-- she did express some things that I think I wasn't able to :)
Aubrey-- I, too, LOVE the George and Alex relationship! :) I love the tension, the sweeter moments, the silent respect b/t them, the angst, the jealous tension... I love it all. And I love George most of all the characters b/c he is such a great character... he is so good, so true and all of the ways in which he is flawed is so relatable and human and just enjoyable to watch. And TR is just amazing. His acting can break your heart for George. It can raise you up and applaud for George. His expression, his eyes, his ability to say so much w/o uttering a word... all that is TR's reflection... his way of making George shine and really making him real. I also love Alex and I love his sweet moments, I love how he has grown, and I love his angsty messy reality. I've always loved how the two of them both love Izzie so. I believe George loves her best... and I also believe that Izzie woul
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June 5th, 2009 12:18 PM
George needs to stay.
He's the only reason I'm still watching.
I also agre that Izzie loves Alex, but is not in love with him.
Katie doesn't play it like she is. She played Izzie as totally in love with George.
I'll accept if George and Izzie don't get back together, but I absolutely want their friendship back.
The fact their friendship was ignored is one of the main reasons I missed most of the episodes this season.
George and Izzie are essential to the fab 5. It's the fab 5, not 4 or 3.
I was just wondering does anyone else but me like the George and Alex relationship?
June 5th, 2009 12:06 PM
Justin rocks. He's so right. TR's an amazing actor, and he needs to stay.
George's the heart of Grey.
June 5th, 2009 11:57 AM
George was married, hence not safe at all. It was clear to me Izzie was in love with him way before he got married. In fact, I believed she was in love with both Denny and George when Denny was alive. Her jealousy of Callie back in season 2 and the joy in her face when George showed up made it obvious. I think Denny even saw it when she kept talking about George.
To me it is obvious Gizzie is the couple Shonda loves, but she chose to listen to the haters instead of us.
She just writes their connection so much deeper and their scenes with so much more tenderness than Alex and Izzie.
I love Justin, but I hate Alex. I did like him when he was with Addison and I love the few times he was nice with George.
I think he had sufficient airtime this season, so I don't want him to get more. He had more than Derek, the lead guy.
I don't want him backburnered like he was the three first seasons either, because Justin is too talented for that.
They should keep his airtime as it is.
June 5th, 2009 11:48 AM
I think some GI fans brought the AI thing in because an Alex fan brought it in first.
They seemed to be replying to that.
I also think that a lot of George and Gizzie fans did mention how much they adore Justin and how grateful they are to his comments.
I don't hate Alex, but I don't like him either. He just does absolutely nothing for me, never has.
It's not a question of perfection or not. It's a question of appeal.
I for one don't get how anyone could not like George (although most seem to), but I respect the fact that some don't.
I don't think you can really rationalize why you like a certain character or couple, and not another.
I have just loved George from the very first moment, and this love has never gone away.
I think George is a beautiful person inside and out with very human mistakes, and his mistakes make him even more lovable to me.
I think he's a great person, but I don't think he is perfect or want him to be.
TDS, I very much respect your l
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June 5th, 2009 11:22 AM
That was so sweet of Justin to say :-) and I love Melissa George's comment.
June 5th, 2009 10:57 AM
First of all, I love that JC came forward to say such awesome things about TR. Everyone who actually knows him/works w/ him says awesome things. It's the some of the idiot entertainment media who don't know him at all that spread the nasty rumors and really do him disservice. I've said it b/f and I'll say it again... I really think that TR is a class act-- and an incredible actor.
I also think that JC is a class act for speaking out for TR.
As for George-- once again, I'd love for TR to stay and George to live on and for Shonda to show George's tremendous personal growth this season and redevelop his connections to the rest of the Fab 5, most significantly, Iz, Mer & Alex and also redevelop his connection w/ Bailey... and his new connection to Hunt. I think TR has SO much to offer and I think that George has so much more to tell about himself...
As for Alex. I will quote seasonsixpleasehurry "i think alex is such an interesting, and real character who has so much growi
June 5th, 2009 8:25 AM
Like most people, I also hope T.R stays on the show. Sadly I don't think he will tho. Reports say T.R has wanted out of his contract for a long time, and unlike Katherine Heigl, he hasn't publicly stated he wants to stay. Furthermore, in the finale George was outside of the elevator which i think means he is dead, whereas Izzie was still inside the elevator and looked very hesitant to step out. She kept looking down so I think it means that last attempt at ressusitating her was successful and she'll go back down the elevator and live. Even if TR's character did survive, his arm was crushed in the accident so he'd never be a surgeon again. I sincerely hope I'm wrong tho, it would be such a shame to lose him from the cast as he's very talented and his character has so much more to develop.
On the Gizzie/AI debate.. I'm so surprised at how many people have said they don't like the character of Alex! His character has so much depth! and yes maybe sometimes he does come across as an "abu
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June 5th, 2009 7:20 AM
My problem with Izzie when she was with George and with Denny was that she acted completely selfishly and a was a little bit psycho and both relationships really made me dislike her. She isn't like that with Alex since they have gotten back together. She just seems happy with him and relaxed (minus the cancer of course). I know that Gizzie fans think that this means she doesn't love Alex as much, but to me her "love" for Denny and George just wasn't healthy. I think that it says a lot about Izzie that she got so overwrought for a guy who was dying and a guy who was married. She wanted what she couldn't have in her search for the safe and perfect love. Which unfortunately, doesn't exist. JMO.
June 5th, 2009 5:41 AM
*eye roll* It's always the same George/Gizzie stans taking any opportunity to bash Alex and A/I when neither is in no way related to the topic in question. It has gotten REAL old by now and it's not like George is perfection but I'm not going to get into that. Instead of spewing your hate, why not just stay ON TOPIC and discuss TR Knight and how Justin showed his professionalism, friendship and kindness towards TR in publicly stating he wants him to stay. ;)
June 5th, 2009 3:13 AM
I am super in love with Tr Knight's George O'Malley, so he needs to stay or I will bawl.