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August 27th, 2009 8:29 PM
I'm sorry but I'm not being ridiculous. Depression takes many forms. I have seen it, but if you rpefer I will use miserable. George was miserable at that wedding, and it showed.
Why do you have to go to one extreme or the other6 I'm not asking for his friends to stop their lives for him, just to pay him some attention at times. You know like they used to do in seasons 1 to 3. I don't remember them stopping their lives for him then but they did pay attention to him back then and spent time with him like they still did with each other. The point I am making is the rest of the gang still continued to hang out as much as before, but George was clearly pushed out.
I think it's as clear as day and your refusal to see it is weird when his ostracization from the erst was mentioend so many times and not just by George fans.
No forgetting about him doesn't mean they didn't care about him.
I have been guilty of the same thing. I get really busy and lazy and don,t do the effort to stay
Rank: Regular Character
August 27th, 2009 8:02 PM
Solange,
REALLY? Depression involves a hell lot more than just being sad and lonely. It's a clinical mental disorder. The only one that I saw with a potential of having depression was Mer after her mother's comments and even so, they dropped that. You don't try to kill yourself for nothing. And in a long shot, Derek in his pity party extravaganza. He got snapped out of it before it turned to alcoholism a la Richard Webber.
The soldier had clear PTSD. He wasn't choking his gf but that speech about not fitting in? It's a clear moment to see what happens after you come back from war. It had a double meaning. It was also hinted for Owen to see that you really can't come back and be the way that you are just before you left. Later, he went to Cris and said he's going back to Iraq to 'finish'.
Sure, it was to put the exit door to George but it is a far fetched issue to mention that George was depressed. Ridiculous actually. There was never a hint that he was depressed.
I did see
August 27th, 2009 6:58 PM
I agree with everyone here. George's isolation from the rest of the group and the disintegration of his friendships wasn't just mentioned by the George fans but by every fans, and even by the critics. They all lamented the fact George had become nothing more than an extra on the show. TR did too. That's why he quit.
There were many friendship scenes this season. Izzie became very close with Mer and Cristina. Alex and Mer's friendship was highlighted many times. He even asked her to be his maid of honour. Derek and Mark's friendship got a lot of attention.
But for some weird reason, George's relationships with Izzie, Mer, Bailey, Alex all basically vanished.
Instead of getting scenes with the fab 5, we got scene after scene of the fab 4 with George mysteriously absent ou mysteriously mute in their scenes.
George was the only one this was done to. It happened to every relationship he had on the show.
Critics would guess how many lines he would get per episode.
Like oth
August 27th, 2009 6:43 PM
Oh please! Yes George was depressed. Look at his face at the wedding. Look at him watching everyone have someone and realizing he is alone. TR made that pretty clear just by one look in his face. Everyone pretty much mentioned how lonely and sad George looked at the wedding.
His friends forgot him. I know what I saw on screen. Even when he was rarely with them, they didn't even talk to him.
Shonda said herself she made George invisible so people would forget him. He was invisible to us and to his friends.
Yes the speech Mer gave was definitely in regards to George. When is the last time they made him feel needed?
For goodness sake, of course they couldn,t know aboput the army, but if they had bothered to tlak to him, thyey would have known he felt not needed and unappreciated.
This wasn't about change. I don,t know how you could have missed that. Did you NOT listen at all to the soldier,s speech about WHY he was willing to have his arm cut off to go back to the army? Bec
Rank: Regular Character
August 27th, 2009 6:21 PM
Um...even if Mer still had Izzie, Izzie made herself clear that she was on George's side. Mer even told Derek that everyone was mad at her even though they didn't had the right to be (so true if may I add). So I don't know if it's better to be alone or to live with someone who isn't on your side.
Also, we did see peace when Lexie made mac & cheese from the box (?). She did forgave him but I never saw anything after that that indicated George was there for Lexie when the appendix-gate happened. Derek made the first move and then she got all 'teach me' (I honestly didn't understand the why of that sentence...or even how she knew where Mark lived) to Big Sloan. She looked for comfort and got it (in the wrong place IMO).
And yes, I'm talking about that celebration. All of his friends were there. Do you know how much time they were there? They were celebrating George, regardless of the time.
George was depressed? I don't think so. He was looking for change. He needed somethi
August 27th, 2009 3:46 PM
I wanted to add. I think his friends were the most sorry bunch of friends to him in season 5. I don't agree with the no time thing. I saw them hanging out with each other many times, and George was nowhere in sight. The guy was so depressed, he joined the army, and they didn't even see it.
Shonda basically said they had forgotten him with that whole love speech declaration Mer made when he died.
That speech wasn't for Izzie. They told her many many times how much they loved her when she was sick. It's George they ignored all season.
Are you talking about that seconds celebrations we saw where Izzie joined Alex to fight some more with him (and according to Joe, never went back to celebrate with George), Lexie didn't join and we saw George all of 3 seconds? Yes, what a celebration, rolls eyes.
August 27th, 2009 3:42 PM
Wow the George moving out scenario is completely different. George didn't leave Mer alone in that house. She still had Izzie with her. She had a big beautiful house. George, on the other hand, was left in a crappy apartment all by himself. He needed Lexie to help him pay the rent and she walked out on him. But you know, I could understand the needing to move on thing because she's so hurt (although she didn't seem that hurt when she sscrewed mark the evry next episode and was telling him to teach her doing her best sex kitten impression, ewww). I blame her for never forgiving him for it after that, even though George tried to make peace with her and told her she should have come to him when that appendix thing happened. We all saw how horrible she was to geiorge, telling him to go screw himself. I don't remember George ever telling that to Meredith, and she hurt him a lot more than he hurt Lexie. In fact I seem to remember him standing up to Thatcher and telling him just how wonderful
August 27th, 2009 3:31 PM
I saw a deeper connection with george and Izzie than I saw with any couple or relationship on any show. To me, they were it. I'm usually never a fan of best friends falluing in love and that was why I was aganst them at first, but they won me over with that linen closet scene. I could feel their love, their desire and their passion.
I have no doubt they were truly and completely in love with each other, and they were best friends too. In this case, I believe those were two best friends who fell in love and the sexual chemistry was fabulous (that elevator kiss still give me the chills).
George was there for Lexie. The 5 seconds we saw him on screen he did try to make it up to her, but the girl wouldn't listen at all, and she never spoke to him again. I was a Lexie fan before that but after, I hated her. What a selfish twit! She abandoned George when he needed her the most!
Then the gag-worthy relationship with Mark made me hate her even more.
The rest of the fab 4 had so man
Rank: Regular Character
August 27th, 2009 1:48 PM
didi,
Obviously Adele isn't going to like it but I assume that she doesn't know he's reading the diaries. I don't know if Ellis wrote about her suicide attempt there but if she did, maybe it can close up the vicious circle that these two were. Adele felt bad for Mer being put in the middle of the whole thing. She babysit her while Ellis and the Chief were flirting with each other. Even so, Ellis is dead but there is much to be told about these two.
As for the lost son of the Chief...I honestly don't know how this could work. Ellis left Thatcher when Mer was five, assuming that she was pregnant BEFORE, Thatcher should've left earlier and Mer wouldn't remember.
I don't remember when my mom was pregnant with my brother (I was two at the time) but...I don't know. It such a long shot about this that the excuse of why Mer can't remember it or why she didn't say anything to Richard to keep him from going back to Adele seems quite unrealistic.
Marah,
The GI connection can be
Rank: Extra
August 27th, 2009 12:03 PM
Marah, I totally agree with you, especially the part when you said seasons 4 and a half and 5 Izzie makes no sense, I think that is probably the reason why I don't believe that she fell in love with Alex, I don't think she loves him.
Nothing about George make sense in season 5, that why I said in other post, that our George never will join the army knowing that his best friend have cancer and he will stay with her. Someone can tell me because George was not with her best friend Izzie when she was dying of cancer?, Give me a good excuse?. Cristina was next to Izzie, not George, come on!!!.
August 27th, 2009 9:26 AM
Sosso, yes his parents loved him but like Beck's parents, they didn't understand him.
I don't think you get how hurtful it is to have people not like you for who you are.
George was depressed in season 5. Maybe you didn't see it in the 2 nanoseconds of airtime Shonda gave him all season, but Tr was an amazing actor enough to show that.
Watch the scenes at the wedding. Watch his face as he looks around and realize he is the only one there all alone, and as he watches the love of his life marry someone else with all her friends around except for him.
Watch George's face when the soldier talks about feeling unloved and unappreciated and unneeded. That is how he feels. That is why he wants to leave and go to the army.
Lexie only helped George because she wanted something back for him : for him to be in love with her and to pick her as his intern.
The moment he can,t love her the way she wants to, she dumps him and moves out of the apartment, leaving him all alone there in
August 27th, 2009 9:20 AM
Well yes but she also encouraged George to go after Mer and told him life was short and when the George and Mer situation occured, she immediately sided with George unconditionally without knowing the details. She said if she had to pick, she'd pick him. When she made him feel like a woman in episode 4, she apologized for it and started changing her behavior.
When his dad was sick, she held his hand and she baked for him all night because she knew how much he loved her treats. She told Mer she would give all her 8 million to spare him the pain of losing his dad. And after his dad died, she tried her best to cheer him up.
When Mer wanted to pick the dog over him, she got really upset and said she'd pick George over a dog anyday.
When George moved out, she made it very clear to him how much he meant to her and how she missed him.
Izzie has a nasty side at times, and she teases everyone, but it's always been clear to me how much George meant to her.
Even my brother who nev
August 27th, 2009 1:52 AM
I changed what I wrote about Adele and didn't re-read it. I meant to say Adele wouldn't be pleased to find out that her husband re-reading about his love affair that almost broke up their marriage.
August 27th, 2009 1:46 AM
Well if the chief were to find out the full extent of ellis trying to kill herself, MEr never gave him any details, and if that was linked to Ellis carrying the chief's child etc that could be too much to bear to stay sober.
I can't think Adele would be not be too chuffed to find him reading the diaries in the first place.
This possible son of chief may turn up, but it would be too easy to make him an intern. I'm going to be very suspicious of any characters that would fit the remit!
Rank: Regular Character
August 26th, 2009 8:16 PM
Something just occurred to me about the Chief. In the article it said that he'll be doing some 'soul searching' or something like that, which were the exact words describing Derek's dark days.
Richard said in S.2 that he was an alcoholic but had failed to show up at some AA meetings, when his sponsor came in the hospital.
Does anyone think that maybe the Chief can relapse?
He opened up to Derek when he yelled at him at the trailer "You've been drunk for a few days, I was drunk for years". I think it's time for more background on the Chief.
This could actually mean a good storyline for him. One that would take him back to revaluate and decide what's best for SGH.
I know, long shot but I need to keep busy thinking of ways that I won't notice much EP's absence. :D
Rank: Regular Character
August 26th, 2009 8:06 PM
Oh, ok sarah. Just checking to see if it was still you and not someone else :).
Delinda,
Absolutely. GA Addison was an interesting character, who I got to love even though she was the 'thorn' for MerDer. The sad part is that I don't believe that Addison fits in SGH anymore. The crossover this year made me realize that.
I'd hate to see her suffer while watching her ex-husband and the woman who stole her husband have the life she wanted.
PP Addison has her moments although for the season finale, I was ready to throw my tv to her yelling "Didn't you learn anything?". I liked her more this season until Noah. I'll wait to see if she continues to be herself after that.
You know, I never liked Izzie but I hated the way she treated George sometimes. She mocked him when he had syphilis, she made of fun of his crush about Mer, etc. Maybe it's why I'm not fond of Gizzie.
Also, I wish they never make the Thatcher remark (that he looks like George). It made me feel uncomfortabl
August 26th, 2009 6:36 PM
If I had to vote for GA parents who were the most well adjusted I would vote for George's parents. I still think he had the most 'normal'well adjusted childhood from what we saw of his interactions with his parents. The others of the fab five had issues with their parents. George was desperate to escape his mum ironing his scrubs in season one!
I never thought of George as severely depressed, he was interesting and funny. He had unrequited love, and several disappointments but he had his GA family there. Lexie built him up to retake his test.
GA is fiction and its interesting to disect the characters. I work with people too, so I know about how bad things can be. This is a bit of an escape coming onto these blog pages.
Rank: Extra
August 25th, 2009 10:40 PM
Anuflas, I change the name but just because the forum required me to register.
August 25th, 2009 3:53 PM
I do like Alex's friendship with Meredith. He respects her and likes her for who she is, same with her. They get each other.
I really like Alex when he's in scenes with her. If he always was like that, I would be a fan.
Loved both Maddison and Addisex a lot too.
Then Addison is my female George. I love her in scenes with everyone.
The Grey Addison because the PP Addison is some stranger to me.
I always loved George, but I fell in love with him when he tried to shield Izzie away from the locker photos even though they had had a fight that day and he was mad at her (it reminded me of when he was mad at Mer, but still said so many sweet thyings about her to Thatcher). That's when I fell for Gizzie too. The whole episode 4 was genius, especially the George parts.
Rank: Regular Character
August 25th, 2009 3:44 PM
I also loved Alex and Addison. They did have good chemistry. I also liked Mark and Addison. I thought that they really did good together. I was curious to see their rel in NYC, post Derek. Disappointed that didn't get anything.
Callie also brings a great side of Mark. I have to agree that Lexie makes him boring. Cero chemistry there. So right about that.
The writers are trying so hard to make them MerDer 2.0 but they're failing. They are also emphasizing about age difference and her being young and all, that it makes them really look like father and daughter. They didn't make that assumption with MerDer (I assume that their age difference is less...).
And yes, Alex loosing his tempter so often makes him unlikable from time to time. I like him. I love his friendship with Mer, it seems that she is the only person he lets in. I like that he chose her to be his best man.
George won me over when he offered to throw everyone out of Izzie's party. And then the poker game. Hilario
August 25th, 2009 1:24 PM
Soso, do you know how many people kill themselves or are severaly depressed because they don't feel like anyone gets them? I'm a shrink. I see them all the time.
That's not sibling rivalry. It's feeling isolated and alienated from everyone around you. George felt like that not only in his family but with everyone else around him.
Do you remember the season 2 episode with the hermaphrodite girl Bex? She ahd loving parents who adored her too. Yet she was quite in a lot of pain because those loving parents didn't understand her or accept her as she was. Because of it, she couldn't accept or understand herself. George was the one who helped her parents see how much they were hurting her by not understanding her.
Really if you think physical pain and emotional abuse are the only forms of pain that exist, then you really don't get it.
I can tell you I see as much depression in people who feel alienated and rejected because of who they are than in people who get beaten up and expe
August 25th, 2009 12:50 PM
I admit to not reading everything on these pages, but
Alex's father was a drug addict who Alex defended his mother from
Cris saw her father bled to death in front of her eyes when she was a child.
Izzie was broought up by a mother who was addicted to phoning psychic, and then Izz was isolated from her friends cos as a teenager she got pregnant, and gave away her child, who then was diagnosed with a life threatening illness.
Mer's parents split up when she was 5, her mum cut her wrists in front of her when she was 5. Mer was a rebel teenager and couldn't ever do anything good enough to please her mother. Mer loosing her father made her think she wasn't worthy of being loved and afriad of commitment.
George had a father and 2 brothers who didn't get him. Isn't sibling fighting quite normal? I don't think well adjusted George had the hang ups and family tragegies that the others experienced
August 24th, 2009 9:04 PM
No I like manwhore Mark too. I love him with Callie, but Lexie makes him boring and I don't see any chemistry there. Alex, I only ever liked with Addison. She made him likable to me. I tried to like him. I really did, but I don't. I don't get why Shonda writes episodes like the finale though. It makes it even harder to like him when she writes him like that.
George, I like though. Liking him comes so natural to me. I liked him from the first minute he smiled.
It's too bad we didn't see enough of that smile.
Rank: Regular Character
August 24th, 2009 8:58 PM
I love Mark too but I have to agree with you Delinda. Lexie turned Mark around...and I don't like that. It's like he lost his essence. I swear that Lexie is using him.
Is it wrong that I like him more as a manwh0re? :)
I want to see Mark grow up but can't he do it on his own or with Derek's help? I love their friendship.
sarah, did you changed your name?
That is the fun part too. Alex and Mark are growing up. I like growing Alex more than I did back in seasons one and two. Sad part, I love inmature Mark. He's hilarious.
I think that it is the writer's fault here when it comes to the portrayal of good and evil. They like the 'gray' area a lot, I see.
Rank: Extra
August 24th, 2009 8:43 PM
Anuflas:
I totally understand you. I (personally) never said that all the other men are evil human or "stupid jerks". I only think that Mark and Alex are jerks, because for me they are. But, I can change the word because it is to offensive and only say that many times they act very inmature way.
But like I said, they change a lot (and they are a little more mature), and deserve to be happy.
And if actually they are a jerks, that doesn't mean anything. Because is fun to see how they mature, and change. And be a jerk is not a reason for not like them.
I like Mark, I like the way it's because he make me laugh a lot (after George, of course).
I don't like Alex, I don't know why. It just he isn't funny, he is very inmature. I don't know. I think that probably I can't forgive the way he treated George these 5 years. But he did change a lot and he deserve another chance.
But they are not evil, they didn't made any crime.
And I love Derek, he is my favorite character after George and