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August 24th, 2009 7:29 PM
Of course I would have wanted Sadie or Lexie to get a second chance even if I hate them. George faiuled by one point, because he was worried about Mer and got distracted. If Mer got a second chance, he deserved one too especially when he got distracted worrying about a friend, and yes I would feel that way about every character.
I don't think the others are evil. I love Derek (he is my second fave after George and I adore MerDer), but I do think that about Mark.
I use to like him until this season, but he was really at his worst this year. Being with Lexie is making him unlikeable, but fair is fair and I won't go on bashing him for the sake of his fans.
George deserved better. He had a lonely childhood and a lonely last year of his life, and even a lonely death. There is nothing worse than that especially with someone as lovable and kind as him.
Rank: Regular Character
August 24th, 2009 6:12 PM
sarah,
It's all good. My only issue was the fact that apparently the other men are evil human beings. They're not. Obviously I will stand up for them but it doesn't mean that they are excused or that what they did was right. I just want for people to see this objectively.
I understand that all George's fans are upset, and they should. However, I do not agree when someone calls Mark or Alex stupid jerks. It's unfair and to be honest, even disrespectful to people (like me) who like Mark. Mark is starting to see the bigger picture. It's just a time thing.
I also agree that George needed his second chance. I actually screamed when I read that only Izzie was coming back because to be honest, it was unfair. He was unfinished. His recovery could've been such a good storyline...
I guess I'll have to let that to the fan fic world to fill ;)
Clara,
Again, if you read my previous post about the families I meant BACKGROUND, not who they are right now. It doesn't define you, w
Rank: Extra
August 24th, 2009 5:37 PM
Mem4:
Yes, now if I received the message. Great!
August 24th, 2009 5:28 PM
Mem4, Now I understand what you tried to said. But I already tried to join the forum and be a member but when a registered, they never sending the message to active my count. I will tried again.
August 24th, 2009 5:17 PM
Mem4, How I do that?, where I can find it?
August 24th, 2009 4:47 PM
Sarah, come and join the George and TR appreciation thread Cindy (greysaddiction) put up on the forum.
August 24th, 2009 4:29 PM
Ok, like I said I totally agree with Vella but also with jesee, Gabi, Pam and Merry it is obviously because we are george' fans and we defend him because honestly, is what we think.
Anuflas:
That doesn't mean that I not agree with you to, because at the end of the day these character are human and make mistakes ALL of then so we agree with that. When I defend George I'm not said that he is better than everyone ulse. And yes, I defend George because I'm a huge fan of him and you defend Alex and Derek because they are your favorites. It's fine. But, still you agree with me in some things because you like George and I agree with in some things about Alex and Derek. But I like Derek I don't like Alex.
So I think we completely understood
Like I said, I like Derek and a little Mark but I don't like Alex so, of course they aren't my favorites. But George had many qualites that the other don't have and I love him for that.
I think Mark was a jerk, who sleep with every women that is pl
August 24th, 2009 2:17 PM
George said I love you and then he told Callie about it. He didn,t sleep with Izzie then tell Callie.
I am sorry, but the fact that Derek cheated on Addison again without even telling Mer he loved her makes it worse. It makes it seem like all it was was sex.
George told Izzie he loved ehr because she deserved an answer. He waited 17 days to answer her, LOL, and she told him she was suffering and she deserved an answer.
Thenh he wouldn't even kiss her until he told Callie.
How can you compare that to Derek seducing Mer and doing it with ehr with his wife two feets away?
He took responsibility, when was that? I don't remember him even apollogizing for it.
He didn't say he was sorry to Addison.He didn't tell Mer he had made a mistake.
Callie excused George and he refsued to take that, and insisted on taking the full blame.
Derek put the full blame on Adison.
Then when Derek cheated on Mer with Rose, he blamed it all on Mer too and called her dysfunctional and al
August 24th, 2009 2:09 PM
I totally disagree about George having a more stable family. His family was amazing, but they couldn't support him or help him grow because they didn't get him at all. He was too different. They loved him, but they didn't understand him. His dad said so himself. George said it. His mom overprotected him too because she knew how sweet and sensitive he was, which led him to even more difficulty dealing with everything.
He had to learn to do this by himself, and he did mature in the end into this very strong, wise person but he had to teach himself.
George was a hero. He stood by the nurses when noone else did, he helped Bailey give birth, he fought for Mer to get a second chance and he died to save a stranger.
He was by far the real McDreamy.
As for the chief, I don't think it's some big deal he gave George a second chance. Like George said, he deserved one. He failed by one point, and he should have been told this.
In school, if you fail by one point, most of the time, th
Rank: Regular Character
August 24th, 2009 2:09 PM
Why do you insist on finding all the wrong things done to George? Is there a real point or reason that it is necessary to find a way to degrade the other characters that are liked by other people?
Look, I'm not excusing Derek out here. He was wrong. Prom sex was wrong (although such a great scene), jealousy was wrong, it was all wrong. He didn't have a reason to do all of that but he has certainly made a comeback. He took responsibility, he has made amends, or at least trying to. For that, I give him credit.
George blew off Izzie's intent but he gave in at the end. He even said I love you to Izzie WAY long before Derek did to Mer. He gave in. The 'I love you' scene is the non-physical version of the prom sex.
My only point is that George is as flawed as anyone else.
Rank: Regular Character
August 24th, 2009 2:01 PM
In the Rose issue, Derek did get critized (A LOT) and he even felt guilty about it. In the elevator, Derek told Mark he was a whore because he slept with Rose KNOWING her feelings and he could only think of Meredith. He did know, he did felt guilty. He did apologized at the end.
I hated Rose but I knew that Derek was doing wrong here. He is afraid of loneliness and he does stupid things like her, for once.
Why is it unfair to critiized George? I do it when people do it to Derek and Mark. They are not awful people. Izzie said it: Just because people do horrible things, doesn't mean they're horrible people.
I DO know that George is a good person but so is Derek, Mark, and Alex. They all are good but they have fallouts and mistakes. They're human beings.
August 24th, 2009 2:00 PM
Are you kidding me? There is a huge difference. I am a huge Gizzie fan, you are not, so maybe I paid more attention to their scenes. George kept blowing Izzie off. He told ehr to leave him alone. The only time he did go to her is because she was sick and needed him. The rest of the time, he stayed away from her.
Maybe you missed him transferring to Mercy West so he wouldn't see her? Then he failed the exam and was forced to stay here, but he was willing to change hspital not to see Izzie.
Derek, on the other hand, followed Meredith around all the time even though she repeatedly told him to leave her alone. Then he got jealous when she moved on and basically called ehr a whore when he's the one who had picked Addison over her. They then had the affair at the prom. George and Izzie didn't sleep together again until he had told Callie the truth. Remember the scene in the hall where theyw ant to kiss but they on't because he had to tell callie first? Derek didn't have the same thou
Rank: Regular Character
August 24th, 2009 1:53 PM
The issue on the family thing is absolutely getting out of context. Read again: I never said it was the defining factor that makes you happy, it just a part of the formation of your personality and character.
Nature vs. Nurture? I guess most of you see it as Nature. I see it in both ways.
It HELPS the formation of the person that you become. It's the earliest support group you have. Later comes friends, girl/boyfriends, etc.
Once again, I don't mean that it is why George is less suffered but about his personality traits have become.
George had a stable support group in the beginning, the rest didn't. The relationship now is obviously different. Again, just a background check.
August 24th, 2009 1:50 PM
Soso, I didn't know Mer had been raped by George against her will. I thought she had decided by herself to sleep with him. I wasn't aware George getting into her room and telling her he loved her made Meredith have to jump into bed with him. Silly me!
I also have to roll my eyes at people thinking having parents who love you automatically means you had a happy childhood.
My brother has me and parents who love me, but he was ridiculed in school just like George was for being different and I can tell you he suffered a lot from it.
I would hear him cry himself to sleep.
That's what George went through his entire life.
Alex had a bad childhood, but now he has Izzie and Meredith and friends and a great career.
He is married to the girl of his dreams even though he treated her like dirt most of the time.
George got what? Girl after girl dumping him for any guy who Shonda had the hots for.
Friends who never spent any time with him or gave him a moment's thought.
He
Rank: Regular Character
August 24th, 2009 1:48 PM
Vella,
I am going to put a stop here. I have no idea where you read that Derek, Izzie or any of the other characters weren't critized about their mistakes. If anything, it's the only thing that I read.
Derek DID take full responsibility for his cheating. He went to put an end to his marriage and gave Addison most of their goods made in their marriage. Addison, guilty that she hadn't told him the entire truth, didn't want them and offered him their house in NYC. At the end, they both took responsibility for their mistakes and they did feel guilty. Hence the episode 3x05 'Oh, The Guilt'.
The drinking is NO excuse. Derek was also drunk when he first slept with Meredith. So was she. Plus, it was Addison the one who cheated first. Difference? None. Both did wrong here. I am not excusing Derek but I can't blame him fully. THAT is me.
Obviously, when Callie married Geroge, they were both in questionable mental state. Callie did wrong in saying yes. She knew he was mourning, why t
August 24th, 2009 1:25 PM
Wow, soso, I guess you really didn't read vella's wonderful post.
If you had, you would know that having a mom and dad doesn't solve all your problems.
George was rejected since he was a child just for being different.
That would screw anyone up and would make a lot of people very bitter and angry (watch all the mass school shooting in the States, they're all from kids who felt rejected by their peers and classmates), yet George never became bitter and he always cared about everyone.
He forgave Meredith for hurting him, something Lexie could never do, and Lexie had mommy and daddy who loved her and was cheerleader and class rpesident and everything. Yet she couldn't forgive George for not loving her when George forgave Mer.
The fact that George didn't become bitter after all the rejection and humiliation make him one amazing man for me.
He is the only one of all those men who was man enough to apologize when he made a mistake too.
For the record, Derek knew Rose w
August 24th, 2009 1:18 PM
And yet George didn't force Meredith to sleep with him. He made his acse as to why he thought he was a better guy for ehr and in Mer's words, she wanted to be in love with a guy like George not Derek so she decided to go for it. He didn't rape her or pressure her in any way, yet he took the full blame for this.
Mer decided to kiss him and go for it.
Yes it was desperate. People do desperate things when they're in love, like Izzie begging George to leave Callie for ehr and Mer begging Derek to pick her, choose her, love ehr over his wife.
Mer had the option to say no, she didn't.
For some reason when Lexie did all those desperate things to get George, she was this sweet in love girl but when George did the same with Mer, it made him the bad guy.
George wad a bad guy for ignoring Lexie, but Mer wasn't a bad person for ignoring George's feelings for two years.
I am sick and tired of George receiving double standard and being judged harsher than anyone for the very same
Rank: Regular Character
August 24th, 2009 1:04 PM
A couple of things:
Sarah,
I never said YOU personally but in general. Alex, Mark, and Derek are constantly being hit for (sometimes) ridiculous reasons. Everybody makes mistakes. I have no idea why they are the bad guys after all.
So I guess that now you have an idea how I feel everytime I see a negative comment about Mark or Derek (my fav. characters). Unfair, isn't it?
As for the Chief, I think you're right there. Richard has a closer relationship to George, so he'll give him a priority.
The relationship between the Chief and Mer can be best summarized by Derek in Not Good At Saying Sorry: The Chief is the most leveled and professional guy except when it comes to Meredith. He considers her family, for what it's worth.
It can come as an obvious difference. Cristina resents this about Mer. Remember their fight? She told Mer that she has the Chief's ear. Mer could be the voice of the residents to him.
I'd like this relationship to be explored, even more now th
August 24th, 2009 12:54 PM
george knew perfectly well that Mer had fallen for Der really hard, and in no way was she ever going to feel that way about him. He went into Mer's bedroom, not the other way round. That was an act of a desperate man and he admitted it.
george probably had the best most balanced upbringing of alll of MAGIC, cos he had his mum and dad there, so he wasn't screwed up like Mer.
August 24th, 2009 12:24 PM
Vella, totally agree. You said better than me!. Well done!.
August 24th, 2009 11:57 AM
The fans love George more because being mean to him is the exception, while being mean to Alex and Mark is the norm and being nice is the exception.
George got mad but in the end, he always came through to help anyone who needed it, even the stranger he ended up dying for.
August 24th, 2009 11:49 AM
Yes george made fun of Alex, the guy who had humiliated him since day one, but in the end, George helped Alex do the exam and apss it despite the fact he had cheated on Izzie. When george failed, Alex gave him away to the interns, ridiculed him and didn't help him at all when the time came to do his exams again. So yes George was better than Alex because in the end, George helped Alex retake his exam and Alex didn't help George.
George was mean with Mer6 I love Mer but she ahd her equal share of blame in this. Everyone, even Cristina, knew he was in love with her and she was too in her own world to even notice that. She started to sleep with him, knowing she didn't love him, knowing it would give him false hope, knowing it would hurt him. Yes he shouldn't have slept with ehr knowing she didn't love him but she also should have been more aware of his feelings (he was her friend) and not slept with him. In the end, George took FULL blame for the entire thing when he had only half the
August 24th, 2009 10:59 AM
Anuflas:
If I said that George was the character who suffered the most I correct, he wasn't, but he did had a very difficult life, for example: the death of his father. And he doesn't deserve a death like that. And yes, Mark, Derek and Alex made mistakes but I also think that they have many positive things. I NEVER said that they mistakes are more unforgivable than George's. I think that all people have the chance to doing things the right way and have a happy life. But the difference between them and George if that they will have the chance to be happy. George is death, ok. These 5 years I saw him suffer more than happy. And in this last year I didn't know if he was happy or unhappy. Do yo know?
What I wanted to said in my post is that I agree with Ace about the Chief, so if I wasn't clear, I repeat.
I like George, I said many times that he was and is my favorite character, so probably I take things too seriously. But I still think that said all George's mistakes just like that or
Rank: Regular Character
August 23rd, 2009 4:20 PM
Ace,
All I want to say is that you're absolutely right, in an objective POV, about George and the Chief. Excellent post! :D
sarah,
I think that what Ace was trying to make a point at, is that, George is also flawed. It's not out of context, it's just pointing out the truth.
I've seen numerous attacks towards Mark, Derek, and Alex for not being like George and that is, too, unfair to point out only their mistakes. Hardly, I find positive comments about these three, specially Mark and Alex. Derek has his moments but he isn't a favorite either.
They are also human but their mistakes are apparently more unforgivable than George's. It is also unfair that this has to be what it is only known from them. Alex has suffered highly and Derek and Mark have gone through a lot of crap too. Why do they have to be punished and George doesn't?
I also disagree that George was the most suffered character on the show. If anyone, he had a slightly better life than the rest of the inter
August 23rd, 2009 2:21 PM
Sorry for my english, in the beggining I wanted to said I agree and I said I agreed!! and I apoligized if you don't understand.