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Rank: Regular Character
October 3rd, 2009 5:50 PM
Cassia,
Thatcher didn't apologized for that. He was drunk when he came into the ER for that cut. Doesn't count.
Also the AA apology last season? Didn't do it for Meredith. She needed the Chief's apology also to come from Thatcher, not only Richard. Even so, I think Thatcher was only looking for Lexie's forgiveness.
Susan also admitted that it was partially her fault that Thatcher didn't fight for her. However Susan did tried to build a 'fake mommy' relationship with Meredith. Thatcher stood by hoping that it'd magically appear to him.
Ellis was a horrible person but that shouldn't have let Thatcher to absolutely leave her daughter alone and never looked for her again. If it wasn't because of Susan, Thatcher wouldn't even had given Meredith his condolences for the death of Ellis.
I already posted why I thought Lexie was selfish and spoiled in that moment. I'll not be able to make further judgment until the episode but she doesn't really sit well with me in that promo.
Rank: Regular Character
October 3rd, 2009 5:32 PM
Cathy,
You have to look at the context of the entire situation. Lexie may or may not (to me she doesn't) be entitled to act like that but Meredith shouldn't be pressured or guilt tricked into doing something radical, as giving an organ is, to the person who damaged you severely. As Ace said previously, UNOS doesn't allow organ donation by guilt.
Lexie knows the damage Thatcher did to Meredith but she clearly doesn't get it, she doesn't comprehend the situation, because if she did, she would've had a less 'whiny' reaction and try to talk to Meredith in a more eloquent and calm way.
Saying that "He was horrible to you but wonderful to me" just fuels the fact that Lexie 'stole' Meredith's childhood by having a warm loving family while Meredith had to stand a cold loveless mother. Not fair, is it?
I have a huge problem with Lexie's begging. Huge.
And I don't think Meredith is cold and mean as Thatcher if she doesn't do it. It's not like giving blood, it's an organ. If anyth
October 3rd, 2009 3:00 PM
Looks amazing!!!
I don't think Meredith should do it, but I think she will. She is a much better person than Thatcher is, and I can totally see her rising above and giving up some of her liver.
Plus, recovering from this is a good excuse for Ellen to go on maternity leave...
October 3rd, 2009 12:37 PM
I think that she will do the transplant, even if she doesnt want to. but, i would love a "high meredith" again like in the second season when she had an appendectomy! ellen was so funny!
Rank: Extra
October 3rd, 2009 8:02 AM
I hope Meredith does it. I don't agree with the people who says That is mean and cruel,yes he hit Mer but he was drunk and sad and he has apologised. He was also broken when he left Mer and Ellis, as Susan said. He wasn't able to fight for her, and Ellis was horrible to him, probably for many years. I'm not saying it was right of him to not see his daughter anymore, but Susan also explained this to Mer back in season three.
I don't think she should be guilted into giving him an organ,noone should, but I think she will.
I don't see Lexie as spoiled and selfish either, just because she's had a normal childhood with a loving mom AND dad. I've had that, and I would begged for an organ for my father as well.
October 3rd, 2009 4:20 AM
I think Mer should do it as a doctor,not as his daughter or Lexie's sister.
October 3rd, 2009 2:24 AM
I dont c y ppl say it will b unhealthy 4 mer not 2 help thatch, cause look @ hw she helped her mother before she died. She was still dark & twisty then but still helpful. If she doesnt help thatch it doesnt nescessarily a bad person
October 3rd, 2009 2:21 AM
Ok i reali think mer shouldn help thatch but seeing as it is mer that we're talking abt here, she will do it. I jus dont like lexie pressuring her 2 do it, cause if mer wants 2 help her father it should come from her not, she shouldn do it 4 her sisters. I do think she will help him tho but with conditions, mer's kind but she's not stupid. She'll probably tell him 2 get himself in2 a proper recovery problem or something..
October 3rd, 2009 2:15 AM
Oh and I think if Mer doesn't do it, she's as cold and mean as Thatcher is. Because if she doesn't she'd kill him, she'd take lexie her father and she would not have changed at all - it would be a sign of her being still dark and twisty deep inside.
October 3rd, 2009 2:14 AM
so..all of you lexie - haters, would you say that if your dad who treated you right for 20 YEARS(!) came to the hospital and you were a resident there, you would not want to help him because he left his "first" family?? many people do this. Many people choose starting a new life. Thatcher is cruel and mean to Mer, I know, but for Lexie he was always her strong, great dad. So if you leave the fact away that he's one of the reasons why Mer is/was so dark and twisted, you should understand why Lexie reacts like this - she's human and she lost her mother already, whom she loved (not like Mer and her mother who had this awkward relationship)
I'm getting soooo annoyed by the people who always talk crap about the figures they don't like. I just HATE Alex, yes I do, but I think he completes the cast of grey's and so I respect his fans and him as a character - even though I can't stand him. I also hated IW for all he did to T.R. but I NEVER complained about him. Get over your frustation! Be
Rank: Regular Character
October 2nd, 2009 10:36 PM
According to BB and SR in the podcast said that this storyline was going to be 'heartwarming' and 'with a surprising ending'.
Surprising would be that Meredith didn't do it, right?
October 2nd, 2009 10:11 PM
I think Mer will do it.... but I trust Shonda to do it in a way that does it justice. She will probably do it because it's the right thing.... but I also agree with Derek when he says that she doesn't owe him anything... If anything she does it for her sister...
Rank: Regular Character
October 2nd, 2009 9:15 PM
Ace,
Interesting info about UNOS. I wasn't aware of the doctor/patient status. Although I don't know if it'll still apply knowing that they are family.
Remember in that same episode, Bailey kind of tricked the cheated wife by guilt that the entire thing would fall down without her and that the father had given the son some money for the kidney. Everyone made the blind eye to that.
In the CTV promo, Richard says that it has to be done that day but that UNOS wouldn't allow an alcoholic to put himself on the list without being sober at least for one year, reason enough for them to go to Meredith.
I absolutely agree about Meredith not giving in anymore. She shouldn't. She has been through enough and Lexie begging shouldn't even make the cut in her thoughts.
I do want to see Derek put Thatcher in his place though.
Rank: Guest Star
October 2nd, 2009 8:19 PM
From my perspective, there is no obligation for Meredith to donate her liver, especially as a doctor.
There are very strict rules when it comes to organ donation. The agrument that Meredith is a doctor and that obligates her to donate is faulty. A doctor who has the same blood type and is compatible to a recipient that is their patient is NOT allowed to donate: UNOS would not allow this. UNOS also governs that the person donating must give of their own accord and of their own will, without manipulation, blackmail, monetary compensation, or guilt.
Take away the crappy past Meredith had with Thatcher, she is still NOT obligated to donate.
Remember S5, "There is No I in Team", and the domino surgery?
If Meredith doesn't donate, I can't fault her. It's not like she's the only one with Thatcher's blood type and compatibility. If it's emergent, then UNOS will bump Thatcher up the list and the next available organ he'll get. Otherwise, if it's not emergent, he'll just have to wai
October 2nd, 2009 6:51 PM
I don't think Lexie is being selfish, she's asking her sister to save her father. The past shouldn't matter when you're trying to save someone's life. Personally, I had a very abusive father but I'm a new person now and if asked, I would do anything to save his life because he's *still* a person and who am I to punish him for his mistakes? That's not my job (but then again, I believe in karma). I hope Meredith does it, the drama involved would be amazing. Either way, I'm sure the acting by all participants is going to be wonderful!
October 2nd, 2009 6:38 PM
I really want to watch cristina and sloan thing, I love them and when he tried to have a date with her in season 5 it was hilarious
and I want more cristina-owen too, they were great this chapter, the list thing was fantastic
October 2nd, 2009 6:33 PM
sorry for my english
I wouldn't do it, and I hope shonda makes a brave (and more interesting) decision in this, meredith is a doctor, but she's a human being too, and she shouldn't do it just for lexie (that's emotional blackmail), I can understand lexie ask but she'd respect her sister decision too, that man never has wished know her or love her, it was susan
I think you are right, lexie is a spoiled girl, but cruel?
she should ask to molly, where is the other sister? and, is possible kill a liver in that short time? I mean, how many time was he drinking? a year?
I wouldn't change lexie for george (I hate him as you know), but I changed him for thatcher
Rank: Extra
October 2nd, 2009 6:11 PM
I think that Meredith will do it. She's a doctor but most of all she is a generous person without a mean or vindictive bone in her body. She will alsways hurt herself (tequila and sex with strangers) before hurting somebody else. She had all the reasons in the world to be mean and cruel to Derek and never was.
I also think some of you are very hard on Lexie. How did you ever come to the conclusion that she is mean and selfish ? I don't agree.
Can't wait for next week...
October 2nd, 2009 5:24 PM
okay i never liked tatcher, but look at lexie is part of her family she should do it, maybe they will get close i don't koow but if they do they should change the actor he's not so good.
October 2nd, 2009 4:48 PM
I don't think that she should do that like seriously... i wouldn't the whole i'm leaving you then you killed my wife slap on the face was totally uncalled for and she wasn't very you know forgiving of his whole I'm sober now anyways in season 5 so i think that should send the message you don't get any of my organs
Rank: Guest Star
October 2nd, 2009 4:39 PM
Lexie is mean for asking someone to save her dad's life? Oh come on! I have no love for Thatcher and I think he was hateful, but that doesn't mean Lexie is hateful for begging the only person who can do it to save the life of a father who was wonderful to her (as bad as he was to Meredith).
Not to say that Meredith should or shouldn't do it, but Lexie is not mean or selfish at all here!
Rank: Regular Character
October 2nd, 2009 4:11 PM
I think she'll do it. I agree she doesn't owe him anything, but he is her father. And shes a doctor, she saves peoples lives. So I don't know.
October 2nd, 2009 3:23 PM
I think she should do it for her own sake...because I think she couldn't live with the guilt if she doesn't help her father. also if he was a crappy father he is still her father.
October 2nd, 2009 3:16 PM
I think she should do it. I mean, what would you do? If you were the only one who can save a dying person-- a dying father - would you just let him die? Besides, Meredith just started bonding with Lexie. If she doesn't donate, it would just be back to that unhealthy relationship they had in season 4. Isn't the show all about change and character growth?
October 2nd, 2009 2:43 PM
Okie i kno mer will do it bcoz she HAS to!
For all the reasons that some of u have put forward however i must say, u peps who claim that on the grounds of her being a doctor she should save him are wrong. bcoz if he was any other patient this wouldnt even b a prob bcoz she wuldn't b obliged to do it! think about how many patients have the same blood type as bailey or the chief(i choose them cuz their general surgery) yet i dont see them givin up their livers to every tom who needs 1. If mer does give away part of her Liver then it will be bcoz he is her father, even if she hates him , even if he hurts her at the end of the day he is her father and she has no choice. If she doesnt she won't b able to live with herself as (at least in lexies eyes) she killed her dad.
Im so excited this culd actually b the best episode they've ever done bcoz to give away your liver, be in bed for a few weeks(during a merger) is hard even if it was someone u like. let alone sum jerk who left wen u