@JackPelligrino - I agree, though Peter (not Hiro) was the perfect candidate to disengage from humanity, especially after the explosion at the end of season 1. I would of enjoyed watching an empath wrestle with having to hide himself from other specials to prevent repeats of accidents such as the explosion.
Heroesbegone
March 9th, 2010 4:08 PM
I personally think Heroes is broken beyond repair. Season 1 was great and afterwards it went down hill. You can find some good things from Seasons 2 through 4 but honestly overall it was one big jumbled mess. I gaurantee all the defenders of the past few seasons would like to see Heroes come back like it was in S1.
Though I contradict my opening statement, Heroes can be fixed if NBC gets rid of Kring and hires some very talented people. No character has to be killed off right away. Just takes some damn good creative writing. You know its funny, back in S1 I was starting to get the idea that the "Company" had engineered Claire (by manipulating Nathan and Meridith Gordon to meet, fall in love, conceive a child)so that the original company members could use her as a veritable source of immortality. The writers should have kept the company and gradually over the seasons reveal that the company is behind the "Heroes" gaining their powers. We all remember from S1 that the Compan
Dano
March 9th, 2010 12:57 PM
I think the show could be made better by:
1) Reducing the number of new characters added each season - it's hard enough keeping up with 5 - 6 story lines without adding half a dozen more characters every season.
2) Stop changing everyone's powers every season. It's annoying when they lose the power(s) they had then gain back different or limited ones. Also stop changing people from heroes to villians and back again - I want to know who to like and who to hate.
3) Develop a consistant story line or set of story lines and have them somehow relate to each other. The reason season 1 was so good is because we knew that each character's path would eventually lead to the battle of good vs. evil in the season finale. Even though it would be copying, maybe season 5 could introduce a villian so bad that even Syler realizes he/she must be stopped and have each episode work towards that end. This would be a good opportunity to bring back bad-ass Hiro and Peter too!
Rebecca
March 7th, 2010 10:06 PM
Here are a few things that could help this nonsense of a show it has become.
BE CONSISTENT. For the time traveling, there has to make sense. Sometimes Hero goes back in time for no good reason, and sometimes, I'm basically yelling at my screen "just go back in time, you idiot!", for example, when someone dies by accident. Where was Hiro when Nathan was killed off??? Or Claire for that matter? Couldn't they just do a blood transfusion so he can regenerate?
NO MORE PLAYING WITH THE ABILITIES!!! Some rules have to be set. a a certain point, it gets annoying to not remember what happened to their powers. I mean Peter and Sylar were set to take on new abilities from other ones, but the others...I mean, they transformed Tracy from ice-woman to being made of water. First of all, they should have kept Nikki and continued with her storyline of D.L. and her son instead of bringing Tracy. then, there's the fact that Peter can now only take one ability at a time, whereas he was able to master a
Pintorrr
March 2nd, 2010 1:04 PM
Come on men I love this show but, they really need to stick to the first season's future perhaps in a different way, with sylar as the good guy and peter as the bad ass with a scar in his face, that really would help, i don't know if it could save the show but will be great to turn the table arround for at least one season.
Jenna
February 28th, 2010 11:57 AM
I don't want to hear Claire wining about her life and being all - 'How could you?!'
Mark
February 20th, 2010 2:21 PM
If there's one thing we've been waiting for, it's the badass characters we've seen in the future. My advice, skip four or five years into the future and take it from there. We've been patient enough only seeing glimpses of them making us want more. I'd think now is probably the best time to actually give it to us.
boooooo
February 19th, 2010 11:04 PM
I just found this site... how is this Heroes fan site? All there is on this site is posts bitching about the show. If you don't like it, stop watching it, and give the site to someone who likes it.
B
February 19th, 2010 3:42 PM
Copy X men, agreed.
JackPelligrino
February 19th, 2010 12:23 PM
One improvement I would really like to see more of is an exploration of the show's mythology. "Villains" seemed like a deliberate attempt to deconstruct the mythology of the show: they killed Bob, dismantled the Company, killed Takezo Kensei, killed Maury Parkman, killed Arthur Petrelli (the only founder left is Angela.) The first season left us with the impression that even though this was the beginning of the story for Peter, Hiro, Claire, and so forth, that there was this whole world where these special people have been fighting and killing each other. Instead of ignoring that, they should dive into it. If you look at a show like Lost, they did just that and it got pretty annoying for about two and half seasons. But then it got awesome.
Also, despite the cheapness of it, when they brought back Charlie this season, they made for a pretty effective show. They kind of didn't do it justice by the way they ended that particular story arc, but... cheaply bringing back characters
wabe
February 18th, 2010 11:48 AM
I agree with Briles - very strange development for Parkman ... and, yes, if Sylar does not stay good, it would be ridicolous ... I liked the Circus idea, but the whole Samuel story was a disaster --- at some point I really would have liked for NikiSander´s son to come back - with his ability to communicate with "technical things" he could have at least talked all the TV screens and digital file data into changing itself into a more intelligent 2nd half of the season.
wabe
February 18th, 2010 11:33 AM
I agree, that Ando is a fresh comic relief. I also enjoy His and Hiro´s friendship - but like EVERYTHNG else, it should be more intelligently developed... as friends, they could do many "heroic" things together... --- For some intelligent ideas about time travel - check out some old Star Trek episodes (e.g. "Q" ones) --- I mainly agree, that this series SHOULD definitely be developed over the whole season - this is the dramatic element, which we all liked so much in the first season --- In my opinion, they would now best develop a story similar to X-Men and the conflicts with "normal" hunmanity.
Derek
February 17th, 2010 1:37 PM
I wouldn't so much say no more time travel as much as limit time travel. Make Hiro reluctant to use this power unless it's under extreme circumstances. Or, better, find a way to limit the power itself (say that time travel puts a serious strain on Hiro, seriously limiting his life span.)
And I think that a smaller episode run (maybe 12 episodes) with the entire season planned out ahead would seriously help if they wish to continue with the full on serialized story telling style. Now, I would be willing to accept more episodes if they moved to a more "stand alone stories with the serialized main story as a back drop" strategy, which is probably their best bet right now. And seriously, get rid of Tim Kring and the weakest links amongst the writers. Like, now.
Tony Mahadeo
February 17th, 2010 10:06 AM
It seems that the writers are introducing more characters and plots so that they can stay employed…To fix the Heroes, The writers need to wake up and start writing for the viewers/fans!
Not to move the focus of your fix…but another important point we should look at is that there were too many inconsistencies with Samuel’s power. How is it possible for him to be alone with his brother; away from everyone with power and be able to use his power when his power is dependent on the others? This was also the case when he captured is ‘girl friend’ and was able to stop Peter without any the others being remotely near him….However, in the finally, he was totally powerless when the others weren’t around…. Tim Kring?
Will
February 17th, 2010 8:24 AM
I definitely agree with what F.D says.
If Samson Gray would be able to take Claires ability the show would become awesome. I can't imagine he's well enough to chase after her, so maybe he tricks her into visiting him, claiming he knows something or can help each other.
What we'd have is Samson Grey, now the villain reliving his old life hunting down other 'specials' for their abilities. This also means we would have Peter and Sylar working together to try and stop him - no doubt with a bif of confusion on Sylars part (greater good or my father?)
Personally i think it's a shame the show hasn't moved forward already. How awesome have all the glimpses of the future been throughout the show. Hard nut Hiro and scarface Peter etc. I'd like things to head in that direction.
@m.l. house
February 17th, 2010 5:52 AM
i apologise but im sick of evre one hating on tracy it not her fault the writer's cant write to save there life only bryan fuller could write for tracy and evre1 else by the looks of it
bulldozer
February 17th, 2010 4:23 AM
Dear Maj,
Please learn to spell. D-U-M-B-A-S-S! You should have been a blowjob, sir. Peace.
Sincerely,
Me
Briles
February 17th, 2010 3:11 AM
how unfortunate is it that this show went the way it did? season one was such an AMAZING season filled with hope for many good years of exciting, fun tv to come. how in god's name did you fuck the rest up?? i mean, we barely even go any of the title out of the show!! Who was a HERO? The only thing I saw after season one were a bunch of whiny bitches with special powers arguing about the same things over and over again!! who was an actual hero?? Hiro was on his way before he was sidetracked with some of the laziest, ridiculous, uneventful plot lines in tv history! Matt Parkman went from being a possible hero to complete asshole (and not in a fun antihero way either)... seriously, i've never really seen a 4 season character arc go from blue collar, hard on luck guy starts acting heroic with special powers to compete douche bag with special powers for no reason. hey, could we watch more of HRG and Claire bickering? I know! Let's have a single mom's special power be that she'
Jose Luis
February 16th, 2010 3:42 PM
Last season made me feel that in order to keep Heroes "original" they tried to avoid some naturally logical scenes i.e. a great battle of our Heroes vs Samuel's. Possibly in part just to keep a cheap budget.
It is ok to repeat classical story-lines!! As long as they make sense in the context. Don't avoid them if they are the most reasonable logical consequence! I mean George Lucas didn't invent the hero's journey with Luke Skywalker, just borrowed from mythology and gave it his touch!
There are pieces that I loved from season 4. Hiro's judment, Sylar's redemption, Clearly this shows the genius of the individual writers, but teamwork among them has to improve.
If they can't agree, well, possibly one writer will do a more cohesive, job than 3 assembling a Frankenstein kind of series.
Maj
February 16th, 2010 1:33 PM
Now since Sylar again did his 180 into turning into a Good guy they might as well keep it. Not worth turning over to the dark side again because they would just be retarded. Yes I agree the writing needs to approve, the administration needs to change, the producer should not be KRING. They should pass this show on to either Joss Whedon (Buffy/Angel creator) or JJ. Abrahms (LOST) but they really need to look ahead at the whole volume and not just week by week. Man the staff that did season 1 please make your way back.
Ashe
February 16th, 2010 12:50 PM
There was actually a lot i liked about season 4(minus Samuel.)And I wish people would stop with Sylar going bad again!I like his character and I think it was time he went good.
Dan
February 16th, 2010 10:26 AM
I would be completely ready to agree that Tracy sucks if i didnt knwo she was filming something else (therefore its not her fault or the writers, actors take time off from shows and their character just sucks for a season, for example Katherine Heigl) and i love ALi Larter so i say give her a better storyline and one more chance. I like Mohinder but i could see him and his pointless self going. Ando is too funny, he's like the only comic relief on the show sometimes so he cant go yet. DONT KILL HIRO, FIX HIM! I honestly think there is a way of using time travel without it being stupid and contrived (comic books do it all the time and this is supposed to be, in theory, a live action comic). Yes Samuel sucked, had potential but they f**ked it up big time. Just better writing i think is what they need, yes plan out the story arc in advance please!!! you dont need every episode ahead of time but a general arc of where its all going wouldnt hurt. Dont cancel Heroes just get back on tra
Matt Richenthal Rank: Staff Member
February 16th, 2010 10:07 AM
@liam: thanks for your take, but calm down. Is there really a need to curse?
liam
February 16th, 2010 10:00 AM
hey fuck you if they should kill any one kill claire not tracy the only reason tracy wasnt seen much is because ali was filming re afterlife
phineas
February 16th, 2010 9:32 AM
story line for next season would probably resemble x-men
Sylar: I can't bring Nathan back Peter, but I can sure as Hell swing a sledgehammer.
March 13th, 2010 6:13 PM
@JackPelligrino - I agree, though Peter (not Hiro) was the perfect candidate to disengage from humanity, especially after the explosion at the end of season 1. I would of enjoyed watching an empath wrestle with having to hide himself from other specials to prevent repeats of accidents such as the explosion.
March 9th, 2010 4:08 PM
I personally think Heroes is broken beyond repair. Season 1 was great and afterwards it went down hill. You can find some good things from Seasons 2 through 4 but honestly overall it was one big jumbled mess. I gaurantee all the defenders of the past few seasons would like to see Heroes come back like it was in S1.
Though I contradict my opening statement, Heroes can be fixed if NBC gets rid of Kring and hires some very talented people. No character has to be killed off right away. Just takes some damn good creative writing. You know its funny, back in S1 I was starting to get the idea that the "Company" had engineered Claire (by manipulating Nathan and Meridith Gordon to meet, fall in love, conceive a child)so that the original company members could use her as a veritable source of immortality. The writers should have kept the company and gradually over the seasons reveal that the company is behind the "Heroes" gaining their powers. We all remember from S1 that the Compan
March 9th, 2010 12:57 PM
I think the show could be made better by:
1) Reducing the number of new characters added each season - it's hard enough keeping up with 5 - 6 story lines without adding half a dozen more characters every season.
2) Stop changing everyone's powers every season. It's annoying when they lose the power(s) they had then gain back different or limited ones. Also stop changing people from heroes to villians and back again - I want to know who to like and who to hate.
3) Develop a consistant story line or set of story lines and have them somehow relate to each other. The reason season 1 was so good is because we knew that each character's path would eventually lead to the battle of good vs. evil in the season finale. Even though it would be copying, maybe season 5 could introduce a villian so bad that even Syler realizes he/she must be stopped and have each episode work towards that end. This would be a good opportunity to bring back bad-ass Hiro and Peter too!
March 7th, 2010 10:06 PM
Here are a few things that could help this nonsense of a show it has become.
BE CONSISTENT. For the time traveling, there has to make sense. Sometimes Hero goes back in time for no good reason, and sometimes, I'm basically yelling at my screen "just go back in time, you idiot!", for example, when someone dies by accident. Where was Hiro when Nathan was killed off??? Or Claire for that matter? Couldn't they just do a blood transfusion so he can regenerate?
NO MORE PLAYING WITH THE ABILITIES!!! Some rules have to be set. a a certain point, it gets annoying to not remember what happened to their powers. I mean Peter and Sylar were set to take on new abilities from other ones, but the others...I mean, they transformed Tracy from ice-woman to being made of water. First of all, they should have kept Nikki and continued with her storyline of D.L. and her son instead of bringing Tracy. then, there's the fact that Peter can now only take one ability at a time, whereas he was able to master a
March 2nd, 2010 1:04 PM
Come on men I love this show but, they really need to stick to the first season's future perhaps in a different way, with sylar as the good guy and peter as the bad ass with a scar in his face, that really would help, i don't know if it could save the show but will be great to turn the table arround for at least one season.
February 28th, 2010 11:57 AM
I don't want to hear Claire wining about her life and being all - 'How could you?!'
February 20th, 2010 2:21 PM
If there's one thing we've been waiting for, it's the badass characters we've seen in the future. My advice, skip four or five years into the future and take it from there. We've been patient enough only seeing glimpses of them making us want more. I'd think now is probably the best time to actually give it to us.
February 19th, 2010 11:04 PM
I just found this site... how is this Heroes fan site? All there is on this site is posts bitching about the show. If you don't like it, stop watching it, and give the site to someone who likes it.
February 19th, 2010 3:42 PM
Copy X men, agreed.
February 19th, 2010 12:23 PM
One improvement I would really like to see more of is an exploration of the show's mythology. "Villains" seemed like a deliberate attempt to deconstruct the mythology of the show: they killed Bob, dismantled the Company, killed Takezo Kensei, killed Maury Parkman, killed Arthur Petrelli (the only founder left is Angela.) The first season left us with the impression that even though this was the beginning of the story for Peter, Hiro, Claire, and so forth, that there was this whole world where these special people have been fighting and killing each other. Instead of ignoring that, they should dive into it. If you look at a show like Lost, they did just that and it got pretty annoying for about two and half seasons. But then it got awesome.
Also, despite the cheapness of it, when they brought back Charlie this season, they made for a pretty effective show. They kind of didn't do it justice by the way they ended that particular story arc, but... cheaply bringing back characters
February 18th, 2010 11:48 AM
I agree with Briles - very strange development for Parkman ... and, yes, if Sylar does not stay good, it would be ridicolous ... I liked the Circus idea, but the whole Samuel story was a disaster --- at some point I really would have liked for NikiSander´s son to come back - with his ability to communicate with "technical things" he could have at least talked all the TV screens and digital file data into changing itself into a more intelligent 2nd half of the season.
February 18th, 2010 11:33 AM
I agree, that Ando is a fresh comic relief. I also enjoy His and Hiro´s friendship - but like EVERYTHNG else, it should be more intelligently developed... as friends, they could do many "heroic" things together... --- For some intelligent ideas about time travel - check out some old Star Trek episodes (e.g. "Q" ones) --- I mainly agree, that this series SHOULD definitely be developed over the whole season - this is the dramatic element, which we all liked so much in the first season --- In my opinion, they would now best develop a story similar to X-Men and the conflicts with "normal" hunmanity.
February 17th, 2010 1:37 PM
I wouldn't so much say no more time travel as much as limit time travel. Make Hiro reluctant to use this power unless it's under extreme circumstances. Or, better, find a way to limit the power itself (say that time travel puts a serious strain on Hiro, seriously limiting his life span.)
And I think that a smaller episode run (maybe 12 episodes) with the entire season planned out ahead would seriously help if they wish to continue with the full on serialized story telling style. Now, I would be willing to accept more episodes if they moved to a more "stand alone stories with the serialized main story as a back drop" strategy, which is probably their best bet right now. And seriously, get rid of Tim Kring and the weakest links amongst the writers. Like, now.
February 17th, 2010 10:06 AM
It seems that the writers are introducing more characters and plots so that they can stay employed…To fix the Heroes, The writers need to wake up and start writing for the viewers/fans!
Not to move the focus of your fix…but another important point we should look at is that there were too many inconsistencies with Samuel’s power. How is it possible for him to be alone with his brother; away from everyone with power and be able to use his power when his power is dependent on the others? This was also the case when he captured is ‘girl friend’ and was able to stop Peter without any the others being remotely near him….However, in the finally, he was totally powerless when the others weren’t around…. Tim Kring?
February 17th, 2010 8:24 AM
I definitely agree with what F.D says.
If Samson Gray would be able to take Claires ability the show would become awesome. I can't imagine he's well enough to chase after her, so maybe he tricks her into visiting him, claiming he knows something or can help each other.
What we'd have is Samson Grey, now the villain reliving his old life hunting down other 'specials' for their abilities. This also means we would have Peter and Sylar working together to try and stop him - no doubt with a bif of confusion on Sylars part (greater good or my father?)
Personally i think it's a shame the show hasn't moved forward already. How awesome have all the glimpses of the future been throughout the show. Hard nut Hiro and scarface Peter etc. I'd like things to head in that direction.
February 17th, 2010 5:52 AM
i apologise but im sick of evre one hating on tracy it not her fault the writer's cant write to save there life only bryan fuller could write for tracy and evre1 else by the looks of it
February 17th, 2010 4:23 AM
Dear Maj,
Please learn to spell. D-U-M-B-A-S-S! You should have been a blowjob, sir. Peace.
Sincerely,
Me
February 17th, 2010 3:11 AM
how unfortunate is it that this show went the way it did? season one was such an AMAZING season filled with hope for many good years of exciting, fun tv to come. how in god's name did you fuck the rest up?? i mean, we barely even go any of the title out of the show!! Who was a HERO? The only thing I saw after season one were a bunch of whiny bitches with special powers arguing about the same things over and over again!! who was an actual hero?? Hiro was on his way before he was sidetracked with some of the laziest, ridiculous, uneventful plot lines in tv history! Matt Parkman went from being a possible hero to complete asshole (and not in a fun antihero way either)... seriously, i've never really seen a 4 season character arc go from blue collar, hard on luck guy starts acting heroic with special powers to compete douche bag with special powers for no reason. hey, could we watch more of HRG and Claire bickering? I know! Let's have a single mom's special power be that she'
February 16th, 2010 3:42 PM
Last season made me feel that in order to keep Heroes "original" they tried to avoid some naturally logical scenes i.e. a great battle of our Heroes vs Samuel's. Possibly in part just to keep a cheap budget.
It is ok to repeat classical story-lines!! As long as they make sense in the context. Don't avoid them if they are the most reasonable logical consequence! I mean George Lucas didn't invent the hero's journey with Luke Skywalker, just borrowed from mythology and gave it his touch!
There are pieces that I loved from season 4. Hiro's judment, Sylar's redemption, Clearly this shows the genius of the individual writers, but teamwork among them has to improve.
If they can't agree, well, possibly one writer will do a more cohesive, job than 3 assembling a Frankenstein kind of series.
February 16th, 2010 1:33 PM
Now since Sylar again did his 180 into turning into a Good guy they might as well keep it. Not worth turning over to the dark side again because they would just be retarded. Yes I agree the writing needs to approve, the administration needs to change, the producer should not be KRING. They should pass this show on to either Joss Whedon (Buffy/Angel creator) or JJ. Abrahms (LOST) but they really need to look ahead at the whole volume and not just week by week. Man the staff that did season 1 please make your way back.
February 16th, 2010 12:50 PM
There was actually a lot i liked about season 4(minus Samuel.)And I wish people would stop with Sylar going bad again!I like his character and I think it was time he went good.
February 16th, 2010 10:26 AM
I would be completely ready to agree that Tracy sucks if i didnt knwo she was filming something else (therefore its not her fault or the writers, actors take time off from shows and their character just sucks for a season, for example Katherine Heigl) and i love ALi Larter so i say give her a better storyline and one more chance. I like Mohinder but i could see him and his pointless self going. Ando is too funny, he's like the only comic relief on the show sometimes so he cant go yet. DONT KILL HIRO, FIX HIM! I honestly think there is a way of using time travel without it being stupid and contrived (comic books do it all the time and this is supposed to be, in theory, a live action comic). Yes Samuel sucked, had potential but they f**ked it up big time. Just better writing i think is what they need, yes plan out the story arc in advance please!!! you dont need every episode ahead of time but a general arc of where its all going wouldnt hurt. Dont cancel Heroes just get back on tra
Rank: Staff Member
February 16th, 2010 10:07 AM
@liam: thanks for your take, but calm down. Is there really a need to curse?
February 16th, 2010 10:00 AM
hey fuck you if they should kill any one kill claire not tracy the only reason tracy wasnt seen much is because ali was filming re afterlife
February 16th, 2010 9:32 AM
story line for next season would probably resemble x-men