Lost Finale Review: Let There Be Light... Comments (Page 10)
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Stephen
May 24th, 2010 12:12 PM
@ Diego
I'm sorry but it just doesn't make sense that all of it wasn't real. The writers seemed to keep things basic and specificly created this sideways world to represent this afterlife/waiting room.
They emphasized that each character died at a different point in time and they were all meeting up with each other after the fact.
Great but no Cigar
May 24th, 2010 12:11 PM
Lily you are correct.
They didnt have to answer everything but not 1 thing was clearly resolved, other than the flash sideways was some kind of 'between state' after they died.
BUT what they should have answered was WHAT WAS THE ISLAND, they needed to resolve that 1 question, and we would all have gone, AH! ok now that makes sense.
That was the big mystery of the show/story.
Otherwise its like a murder mystery where the police dont find the killer and he is never identified to the viewer, that would suck huh!
Diego
May 24th, 2010 12:09 PM
They were all dead from the very first episode, but existed in a purgatory-like place. IT WAS NOT just the sideway-flash but every flash-forward, flash-back, the island, and EVERYTHING- that we observed. They were all broken people; alone and incomplete. They had not finished their lives, but were given an opportunity to fix themselves to go beyond in their “journey”-Like Shannon,way before the side-flash and H-bomb. Notice that not all made it to the church…some characters left earlier in the show, resolving their personal conflicts and issues and able to move on, or they failed, and were sent left there to try again.
Al
May 24th, 2010 12:08 PM
I wasnt altogether disappointed with the ending, though I think it could have been much better if they continued on with the sideways world as being a true alternate timeline of what if the plane had never crashed.
They then could have ended the show with a finale of everyone on the island outside of Locke and Jack somehow getting killed (maybe with Locke slowly picking them off one by one), and finish up with an epic battle between Locke and Jack where they both die ending the "island timeline", and the island consequently sinking into the see like we saw in the season 6 episode 1 scenes.
The alternate timeline could then have become the reality timeline and they could have kept all the remembering clips as deja vu moments for the people on the island with them all being reunited at the Whitmore benefit concert. I just think it would have worked better than making the alternate reality a waiting room for ascension to heaven and would have been a better tie up for the series.
John
May 24th, 2010 12:06 PM
blssrp,
I think they could have answered more questions but due to the trend of network tv now to have a fall, spring, and summer series without repeats cut the number of episodes from 24 to 16-18 episodes. As I said I was initially disappointed with the ending. And that's mostly because after the first half hour, I realized it was going to be 2 more hours of reunions, and the fact I realized that they weren't going to answer any more questions other than the final one. However, after thinking about the series and the comments by Carlton and Damon, I realized what they were doing. But, I think they answered most questions that needed to be answered, although not all. But Carlton and Damon said that they weren't going to answer all the questions after season 4, and they wanted to leave a mystique.
Lily
May 24th, 2010 12:01 PM
I was disappointed. Just too much left unexplained. I don't even know if there was an actual Island. I could pose 1,000 questions that need explaining. I don't understand this new trend by writers to leave everything up in the air. If you want to tell a story, tell it, don't not tell it. I was happy that they all wound up happy together in the afterlife but everything else was just a jumbled up mess that makes my head hurt. Could be this, could be that, could be this or that or this and that. I don't know if Kate's plane crashed or not, etc. Not one thing was concretely resolved and that's sort of a cop out
Carol
May 24th, 2010 12:00 PM
I enjoyed the ending. I think it was well crafted and provided a satisfying end. There was no way to answer all the questions just like in a good book. You are always left wanting more. All along this was like a great book and weekly opportunity to gather in the liv
blrssp
May 24th, 2010 11:59 AM
"There are lots of questions Id like firm answers to and hope some day the the creators and producers will answer. But even if they dont I wont think any less of the sum total of LOST."
***
The reason why the writers didn't reveal a lot of answers, IMO, is because they didn't have them to give. I really don't think they held much back. The unfortunate facts of television show producing is that things are done quickly, on a time budget -- often with plenty of personnel turnover if the show lasts more than a season or two -- and carefully arriving at point Z from point A is a luxury given more to novelists and screenwriters than the writers of a television serial. I was hoping that Lost could be an exception, but, ultimately, it couldn't.
Jack Deth
May 24th, 2010 11:58 AM
I understand some people hated the finale. But Ive havent seen many suggestions as to how they would have written it. There are probably 100 ways it could have ended I can be sure of just one thing, no matter how it ended, some would have hated it, other loved it and the full range of feelings in between.
As far as anwering ALL questions it would have been dull if it has been formatted like:
"How did the Polar Bear get from Hydra to the main Island?" Voice says....oh yeah, Polar Bears can swim. I think someone actually asked that question here or maybe on another site.
Though as part of a website called LOST: The Answers to Every Question Under the "Sun and Jin". That would be a great idea. That way anyone who cares can just to there and find out. For those that dont care, they can just take LOST for what it was.
John
May 24th, 2010 11:57 AM
Blrssp,
I agree with you that it's not purgatory. It's a place where souls exists before they can move on to Nirvana, or Heaven, etc. We really don't know. But the series clearly deals with the afterlife by the religious images, pagon icons, and "Namaste" used by the Dharma Initiative. The writers aren't clear about that, but I think it's intentional so it can be interpreted by an individual according to his beliefs.
Stephen
May 24th, 2010 11:57 AM
@ Valerie
Man squatting? Didn't catch that.
You know, someone also had said that there was some extra scene at the very end but I didn't see anything.
Valerie
May 24th, 2010 11:53 AM
Did everyone notice the man squatting & holding his hands together while Jack put the "plug" back into the hole? He was also squatting when Desmond pulled it out. Both Desmond and Jack looked over at him twice each. It looked like Jacob to me, but it was not totally clear.
John
May 24th, 2010 11:52 AM
blrssp,
To further the point, Kate wasn't needed to come back to the island because she wasn't alone anymore since she became a mother. That's why Jacob crossed her name off. However, when she gave up Aaron she was once again alone and had the need to go back, although she didn't have to go back.
blrssp
May 24th, 2010 11:51 AM
@ John:
Considering how Lost has always been spiritual but not doctrinal or denominational (even down to the final scene), consulting Merriam Webster for a definition of the Roman Catholic purgatory isn't probably the best way to determine what the flash-sideways is. Based on the statements of Jack's dad, it clearly is a rough equivalent purgatory -- a "limbo" between the real world and whatever comes next. It's obviously not the specific Roman Catholic version, but it's something along the lines of that basic concept, I think.
Also, sorry about the mix-up earlier -- I thought it was you who said the thing about only finding peace in the others arms.
John
May 24th, 2010 11:48 AM
blssrp,
The thing is that you can have relationships with friends without living with each other or in close proximity with each other. However, when they were off the island, as time passed on, they weren't friends with each other. They were alone again. Yes, they had Hurley's birthday party, but from that time to 3 years later, they were all once again alone.
null
May 24th, 2010 11:48 AM
While the usual definition of purgatory may not apply as per Websters. I think of it was a sort of "waiting room" or place where people sort out the sum total of their lives, realize that both the good and bad in life (and your choices) make people into the into the persons they are and finally you have let go and move on into eternity with the people who mean the most to you. And there are also "loose ends" in peoples lives - relationships and events that end up being meaningless and go nowhere. I only keep in touch with one of my highschool friend - all other relationships ended and are pretty much irrelevant (though some did leave an impact they are irrelevant in my daily life now).
There are lots of questions Id like firm answers to and hope some day the the creators and producers will answer. But even if they dont I wont think any less of the sum total of LOST. It was bizarre, uniqure, frustrating, amazing, educational, and 100 other things. It left a lasting impact on m
John
May 24th, 2010 11:45 AM
Great but no Cigar,
I'm saying that where the flash sideways takes place is on the island because you see the light outside the Church door. Christian said that they created this place. I assume they created the flash sideways place on the island. We know that island houses souls that can't move on. And all the souls in the Church couldn't move on until they found each other.
Alysha
May 24th, 2010 11:43 AM
I think this was the worst ending I have ever seen, also i feel that mostly everyone was wrong about it. I mean come on you can't honestly believe that the island was real? The island was purgatory, the side world was not. EVERYONE died on the crash. I mean I think the ending was bad anyways but if I believed that everything on the island was real then the ending would have even more of a let down. The island was obviously them trying to fix the problems that they had when they were living so that they could "let go" or "move on" and get to the place where they were all together. Not to mention at the end Jacks dad says that all those people were there because they were present at the most important moment of his life...which was his death.
But it doesn't matter, I know people say that it wasn't about the island but like others have said why weave in all the shit and then not make the least bit of sense of it at the end. I have a great imagination and I had a lot of things going on
blrssp
May 24th, 2010 11:43 AM
"Remember, "live together, die alone." It just so happens that one of the relationships are that of Jack and Kate."
Makes no sense and, if this is the actual message of the show (which I doubt), then it's incredibly stupid. We have to LITERALLY live with those who love us/we love in order to be happy? What are they going to do, buy a college fraternity house in heaven? Jack and Kate can't have a successful relationship unless they are in literal close proximity with everyone else who shared the island experience and is "ready" to move on? I'm fine with the interpretation that they came to the island as incomplete individuals and, through their experiences together, became "wholer" people, but the idea that they ultimately had to literally "live together" in order to stay whole is silly. Especially so, when one considers how relatively little time some of them actually spent together, compared with others.
ross
May 24th, 2010 11:36 AM
I feel it was a total cop out, and while I have been expecting for a few seasons now to be disappointed with whatever the writers came up with, I expected more of them. We were told it was all rooted in "pseudo-science"; last time I checked faith was not a pseudo-science. In the end we no little more about the Island, the vessel used to tell 3/4 of the story of Lost, than we did at the end of the pilot episode. I thought season 6 was utterly disappointing and found the finale to be the least interesting episode of the series.
Great but no Cigar
May 24th, 2010 11:35 AM
John
Sorry im not trying to pick one of those awful messageboard arguments with you, but you say in your earlier post that the Island IS purgatory, even if you use the word to mean something else if the Island is a real place, where those things actually happened then it cannot be any form of anything like purgatory, not sure why you are now referencing the flash sideways, as that was clearly the 'purgatory' like place after they died.
My real issue is that the story needed to reveal what the Island actually was to be a resolved story, everything else is just waffle and filler.
John
May 24th, 2010 11:35 AM
bssrp,
I think you're mixing up my comments with someone else's since I never said that they were at peace only in the arms of those they loved the most. I read that statement, and I didn't agree with that statement.
blrssp
May 24th, 2010 11:31 AM
@inthemiddle
That's a comment I can live with; however, my own statement were only being made to rebut John's assertion that these characters only found peace when in the arms of those that they loved the most. Clearly, this wasn't the case, as with the Jack/Kate off-island thing. Yet, the finale did seem to imply that it is Jack and Kate who are soul-mates -- certainly, everyone else was paired up with theirs.
John
May 24th, 2010 11:30 AM
It's not about spiritual soul mates. It's about all the relationships they had with each other on the island. Remember, "live together, die alone." It just so happens that one of the relationships are that of Jack and Kate.
John
May 24th, 2010 11:27 AM
Forgot the word not.
May 24th, 2010 11:26 AM
Great but no Cigar,
Yes, all the events on the island did transpire while they were alive. The flash sideways is an ideal but not reality they were living in.
From Merriam-Webster, definition of purgatory.
1 : an intermediate state after death for expiatory purification; specifically : a place or state of punishment wherein according to Roman Catholic doctrine the souls of those who die in God's grace may make satisfaction for past sins and so become fit for heaven
2 : a place or state of temporary suffering or misery
As you can see from this definition, the flash sideways clearly isn't purgatory.
May 24th, 2010 12:12 PM
@ Diego
I'm sorry but it just doesn't make sense that all of it wasn't real. The writers seemed to keep things basic and specificly created this sideways world to represent this afterlife/waiting room.
They emphasized that each character died at a different point in time and they were all meeting up with each other after the fact.
May 24th, 2010 12:11 PM
Lily you are correct.
They didnt have to answer everything but not 1 thing was clearly resolved, other than the flash sideways was some kind of 'between state' after they died.
BUT what they should have answered was WHAT WAS THE ISLAND, they needed to resolve that 1 question, and we would all have gone, AH! ok now that makes sense.
That was the big mystery of the show/story.
Otherwise its like a murder mystery where the police dont find the killer and he is never identified to the viewer, that would suck huh!
May 24th, 2010 12:09 PM
They were all dead from the very first episode, but existed in a purgatory-like place. IT WAS NOT just the sideway-flash but every flash-forward, flash-back, the island, and EVERYTHING- that we observed. They were all broken people; alone and incomplete. They had not finished their lives, but were given an opportunity to fix themselves to go beyond in their “journey”-Like Shannon,way before the side-flash and H-bomb. Notice that not all made it to the church…some characters left earlier in the show, resolving their personal conflicts and issues and able to move on, or they failed, and were sent left there to try again.
May 24th, 2010 12:08 PM
I wasnt altogether disappointed with the ending, though I think it could have been much better if they continued on with the sideways world as being a true alternate timeline of what if the plane had never crashed.
They then could have ended the show with a finale of everyone on the island outside of Locke and Jack somehow getting killed (maybe with Locke slowly picking them off one by one), and finish up with an epic battle between Locke and Jack where they both die ending the "island timeline", and the island consequently sinking into the see like we saw in the season 6 episode 1 scenes.
The alternate timeline could then have become the reality timeline and they could have kept all the remembering clips as deja vu moments for the people on the island with them all being reunited at the Whitmore benefit concert. I just think it would have worked better than making the alternate reality a waiting room for ascension to heaven and would have been a better tie up for the series.
May 24th, 2010 12:06 PM
blssrp,
I think they could have answered more questions but due to the trend of network tv now to have a fall, spring, and summer series without repeats cut the number of episodes from 24 to 16-18 episodes. As I said I was initially disappointed with the ending. And that's mostly because after the first half hour, I realized it was going to be 2 more hours of reunions, and the fact I realized that they weren't going to answer any more questions other than the final one. However, after thinking about the series and the comments by Carlton and Damon, I realized what they were doing. But, I think they answered most questions that needed to be answered, although not all. But Carlton and Damon said that they weren't going to answer all the questions after season 4, and they wanted to leave a mystique.
May 24th, 2010 12:01 PM
I was disappointed. Just too much left unexplained. I don't even know if there was an actual Island. I could pose 1,000 questions that need explaining. I don't understand this new trend by writers to leave everything up in the air. If you want to tell a story, tell it, don't not tell it. I was happy that they all wound up happy together in the afterlife but everything else was just a jumbled up mess that makes my head hurt. Could be this, could be that, could be this or that or this and that. I don't know if Kate's plane crashed or not, etc. Not one thing was concretely resolved and that's sort of a cop out
May 24th, 2010 12:00 PM
I enjoyed the ending. I think it was well crafted and provided a satisfying end. There was no way to answer all the questions just like in a good book. You are always left wanting more. All along this was like a great book and weekly opportunity to gather in the liv
May 24th, 2010 11:59 AM
"There are lots of questions Id like firm answers to and hope some day the the creators and producers will answer. But even if they dont I wont think any less of the sum total of LOST."
***
The reason why the writers didn't reveal a lot of answers, IMO, is because they didn't have them to give. I really don't think they held much back. The unfortunate facts of television show producing is that things are done quickly, on a time budget -- often with plenty of personnel turnover if the show lasts more than a season or two -- and carefully arriving at point Z from point A is a luxury given more to novelists and screenwriters than the writers of a television serial. I was hoping that Lost could be an exception, but, ultimately, it couldn't.
May 24th, 2010 11:58 AM
I understand some people hated the finale. But Ive havent seen many suggestions as to how they would have written it. There are probably 100 ways it could have ended I can be sure of just one thing, no matter how it ended, some would have hated it, other loved it and the full range of feelings in between.
As far as anwering ALL questions it would have been dull if it has been formatted like:
"How did the Polar Bear get from Hydra to the main Island?" Voice says....oh yeah, Polar Bears can swim. I think someone actually asked that question here or maybe on another site.
Though as part of a website called LOST: The Answers to Every Question Under the "Sun and Jin". That would be a great idea. That way anyone who cares can just to there and find out. For those that dont care, they can just take LOST for what it was.
May 24th, 2010 11:57 AM
Blrssp,
I agree with you that it's not purgatory. It's a place where souls exists before they can move on to Nirvana, or Heaven, etc. We really don't know. But the series clearly deals with the afterlife by the religious images, pagon icons, and "Namaste" used by the Dharma Initiative. The writers aren't clear about that, but I think it's intentional so it can be interpreted by an individual according to his beliefs.
May 24th, 2010 11:57 AM
@ Valerie
Man squatting? Didn't catch that.
You know, someone also had said that there was some extra scene at the very end but I didn't see anything.
May 24th, 2010 11:53 AM
Did everyone notice the man squatting & holding his hands together while Jack put the "plug" back into the hole? He was also squatting when Desmond pulled it out. Both Desmond and Jack looked over at him twice each. It looked like Jacob to me, but it was not totally clear.
May 24th, 2010 11:52 AM
blrssp,
To further the point, Kate wasn't needed to come back to the island because she wasn't alone anymore since she became a mother. That's why Jacob crossed her name off. However, when she gave up Aaron she was once again alone and had the need to go back, although she didn't have to go back.
May 24th, 2010 11:51 AM
@ John:
Considering how Lost has always been spiritual but not doctrinal or denominational (even down to the final scene), consulting Merriam Webster for a definition of the Roman Catholic purgatory isn't probably the best way to determine what the flash-sideways is. Based on the statements of Jack's dad, it clearly is a rough equivalent purgatory -- a "limbo" between the real world and whatever comes next. It's obviously not the specific Roman Catholic version, but it's something along the lines of that basic concept, I think.
Also, sorry about the mix-up earlier -- I thought it was you who said the thing about only finding peace in the others arms.
May 24th, 2010 11:48 AM
blssrp,
The thing is that you can have relationships with friends without living with each other or in close proximity with each other. However, when they were off the island, as time passed on, they weren't friends with each other. They were alone again. Yes, they had Hurley's birthday party, but from that time to 3 years later, they were all once again alone.
May 24th, 2010 11:48 AM
While the usual definition of purgatory may not apply as per Websters. I think of it was a sort of "waiting room" or place where people sort out the sum total of their lives, realize that both the good and bad in life (and your choices) make people into the into the persons they are and finally you have let go and move on into eternity with the people who mean the most to you. And there are also "loose ends" in peoples lives - relationships and events that end up being meaningless and go nowhere. I only keep in touch with one of my highschool friend - all other relationships ended and are pretty much irrelevant (though some did leave an impact they are irrelevant in my daily life now).
There are lots of questions Id like firm answers to and hope some day the the creators and producers will answer. But even if they dont I wont think any less of the sum total of LOST. It was bizarre, uniqure, frustrating, amazing, educational, and 100 other things. It left a lasting impact on m
May 24th, 2010 11:45 AM
Great but no Cigar,
I'm saying that where the flash sideways takes place is on the island because you see the light outside the Church door. Christian said that they created this place. I assume they created the flash sideways place on the island. We know that island houses souls that can't move on. And all the souls in the Church couldn't move on until they found each other.
May 24th, 2010 11:43 AM
I think this was the worst ending I have ever seen, also i feel that mostly everyone was wrong about it. I mean come on you can't honestly believe that the island was real? The island was purgatory, the side world was not. EVERYONE died on the crash. I mean I think the ending was bad anyways but if I believed that everything on the island was real then the ending would have even more of a let down. The island was obviously them trying to fix the problems that they had when they were living so that they could "let go" or "move on" and get to the place where they were all together. Not to mention at the end Jacks dad says that all those people were there because they were present at the most important moment of his life...which was his death.
But it doesn't matter, I know people say that it wasn't about the island but like others have said why weave in all the shit and then not make the least bit of sense of it at the end. I have a great imagination and I had a lot of things going on
May 24th, 2010 11:43 AM
"Remember, "live together, die alone." It just so happens that one of the relationships are that of Jack and Kate."
Makes no sense and, if this is the actual message of the show (which I doubt), then it's incredibly stupid. We have to LITERALLY live with those who love us/we love in order to be happy? What are they going to do, buy a college fraternity house in heaven? Jack and Kate can't have a successful relationship unless they are in literal close proximity with everyone else who shared the island experience and is "ready" to move on? I'm fine with the interpretation that they came to the island as incomplete individuals and, through their experiences together, became "wholer" people, but the idea that they ultimately had to literally "live together" in order to stay whole is silly. Especially so, when one considers how relatively little time some of them actually spent together, compared with others.
May 24th, 2010 11:36 AM
I feel it was a total cop out, and while I have been expecting for a few seasons now to be disappointed with whatever the writers came up with, I expected more of them. We were told it was all rooted in "pseudo-science"; last time I checked faith was not a pseudo-science. In the end we no little more about the Island, the vessel used to tell 3/4 of the story of Lost, than we did at the end of the pilot episode. I thought season 6 was utterly disappointing and found the finale to be the least interesting episode of the series.
May 24th, 2010 11:35 AM
John
Sorry im not trying to pick one of those awful messageboard arguments with you, but you say in your earlier post that the Island IS purgatory, even if you use the word to mean something else if the Island is a real place, where those things actually happened then it cannot be any form of anything like purgatory, not sure why you are now referencing the flash sideways, as that was clearly the 'purgatory' like place after they died.
My real issue is that the story needed to reveal what the Island actually was to be a resolved story, everything else is just waffle and filler.
May 24th, 2010 11:35 AM
bssrp,
I think you're mixing up my comments with someone else's since I never said that they were at peace only in the arms of those they loved the most. I read that statement, and I didn't agree with that statement.
May 24th, 2010 11:31 AM
@inthemiddle
That's a comment I can live with; however, my own statement were only being made to rebut John's assertion that these characters only found peace when in the arms of those that they loved the most. Clearly, this wasn't the case, as with the Jack/Kate off-island thing. Yet, the finale did seem to imply that it is Jack and Kate who are soul-mates -- certainly, everyone else was paired up with theirs.
May 24th, 2010 11:30 AM
It's not about spiritual soul mates. It's about all the relationships they had with each other on the island. Remember, "live together, die alone." It just so happens that one of the relationships are that of Jack and Kate.
May 24th, 2010 11:27 AM
Forgot the word not.
May 24th, 2010 11:26 AM
Great but no Cigar,
Yes, all the events on the island did transpire while they were alive. The flash sideways is an ideal but not reality they were living in.
From Merriam-Webster, definition of purgatory.
1 : an intermediate state after death for expiatory purification; specifically : a place or state of punishment wherein according to Roman Catholic doctrine the souls of those who die in God's grace may make satisfaction for past sins and so become fit for heaven
2 : a place or state of temporary suffering or misery
As you can see from this definition, the flash sideways clearly isn't purgatory.