Having resigned myself before going into the finale that I wasn't going to get any of the answers I craved (considering they forced me to generate a bunch of stupid new ones in the craptastic "Across the Sea"), I actually enjoyed the hell out of the episode and even bought into the bloated sentimentality, BUT then the final act started and wow, could they have picked a worse ending? No. A more nonsensical ending? Doubtful. What a waste. I haven't been that disappointed by a work of fiction since The Phantom Menace.
No respect for Darlton AT ALL. I felt scammed after watching the finale yesterday. They write others, mysterious hatch on an island, polar bears, monsters...we say "WOW give us more!" They write dharma scientists, a button, mysterious numbers, large pockets of EM fields...we say "HOLY SHIT give us more!!" They write about characters all linked together in some way, time-travel, parallel universes, ancient mythology, 4 toed statue, reincarnation, immortal beings...we say "THIS IS SO AWESOME give us more!!!" So...they write...light in a cave, drink some fairy water, chuck norris fighting, they all died and went to heaven...the dumb and ignorant say "Masterpiece finale! Bravo!!"...the intelligent say "ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS!@#!!!!!!" Writers deserve to be embarrassed for this show, noone should ever waste their time on their bullshit anymore. None of their work ever makes any sense, its just there for the WOW factor during the ride up until the finale. Fuck you Darlton and co.
Christian Shepherd is not Smokie in the purgatory universe....u got it wrong....geeze
Just after it ended i was like, "huh"... then i thought about it and the more i think about it the more i love it as the perfect ending for the show.
1. This Island and Original Timeline is all real, the SLU is the afterlife i think most people agree on that. Therfore, Yes kate, miles, richard, sawyer & co do get off the island via plane. Yes, Desmond get's off the island since Hurley can determine the rules. In the afterlife, the experiences on the Island had bonded them together and they were waiting for Jack to come with them. It was a brilliant ending.
2. Jack saves the world and stops hell on earth. Yes that was hell trying to come through. Hurley and Ben run the island for an undetermined # of years, but much better then Jacob ever did.
3. I am glad that they didn't try to explain all the mythology in order to pacify people who didn't understand ultimately what this show was about.... the journey. I can figure out most of the unanswered questions myself. The island has always been and will be until the end of days. There has been and will be visitors to the island. Romans, Egyptians (probably build the statue and most of the ancient buildings), probabably Sumarians, Vikings and who knows what else in the future. The Darma Initiative tried and failed to understand that the island is supernatural which is why conventional methods of research did not work.
4. On the smoke monster, it was a release of evil brought on by the evil act of Jacob killing his brother. Jacob broke a rule and as a result paid for it. The Evil had his brother's thoughts and memories but at no time was it really his brother, as it took over the looks and memories of it's other host bodies. The Smoke Monster had escaped despite the "cork" being in place.
5. When the nuke went off, it was necessary to stop the incident, the burst of energy moved the people out of time back to their proper time. Why wasn't the island destroyed? Because, that blast of energy stopped the leakage of the other dimension from coming through enough that the Darma people had time to seal it so you have "The Hatch" as it was discovered. The Hatch's purpose was to safely release the energy buildup because there was still a fracture into the other dimension leaking through hence the 108 minute button push. When Desmond detonated The Hatch, that successfully sealed the fracture, saved the world from a dimensional burst of energy that would have consumed the world, and altered him as we all saw down the road.
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6. On Walt being special, the Other's thought he was a candidate to "lead" the others as richard thought the real Locke would maybe he failed the test, or maybe Richard interviened because he saw that Locke had arrived.
7. The Hurley bird, it's nice to have a mystery.
8. Ben is good and has unfinished business.
9. Infertility and the sickness, are simply the after effects of "The Incident" which subsided over time.
The clues are there and enough to accurately speculate on what was not specifically "answered"
You guys just don't get it. Did you even watch the show? Some of you seriously need to go back and watch it again if you did. It was clear that they didn't die when the plane crashed. The island was real, and the losties created there own after-life get-together so they could be with the ones that were most important to them. At least that's what they thought. The twist was that in the church Christian Sheppard was actually the smoke monster. He took old-man Sheppard's body as he had done many times before throughout the series. It was his way of getting even with the losties for all the trouble they put him through -- his long con. After Jack kicked Smlock off the cliff, they thought he was dead. Well, wasn't it odd that a creature that lived hundreds of years and could withstand bullets and everything else and turn into smoke was so easily beaten by Jack and Kate. He didn't really die. When the losties weren't looking, Smokey left Lock's body. When the losties all eventually died and went to their after-life gathering, little did they know that Smokey was there as well -- he had found another loop-hole. That's why Christian's body wasn't in the coffin, just like in the early episode when Jack found the coffin in the woods without the body and then saw Christian, who was actually the smoke monster. At the gathering, Smokey was misleading them into believing that they were "moving on." Nothing he said was true. Instead, Smokey was ushering them into a fate "worse than death." Didn't you see the light from the door he opened? It was the light from the cave. They never really left the island. The sideways world was not in L.A. It was something they created after they died on the island. No one ever left. It was a perfect ending. It was true to Lost being about the duality of man. Good versus Bad. Light and Dark. But with no clear winners and losers. The thing is, we never saw the losties walk into the golden light, so we don't know if they did. Perhaps they didn't fall for Smokey's trap. But then again, maybe they did. Now I know some people think the smoke monster snuck on the plane when Miles and Richard were fixing the wiring and that the plane took off before Jack corked the hole in the cave so Smokey possibly got off the island like he said he would. If he did, then maybe the world (and the island) were destroyed, which explains the island being at the bottom of the sea. I guess that's possible. It's all up to how you see it. Best show ever.
But Lost DID provide answers, though perhaps not the ones you were looking for. No denying that there were many holes left, including the fates of some major characters (Walt, Mr. Eko), and certain mythologies were never clarified. But the answers provided were the more important ones, like will they live together or die alone? Will they make it off the island? Will they find the peace most of them lacked in life? The ultimate story here is that of people, and it mimics real life. We have no final answers. Perhaps knowing exactly what made Smoky black or where Dharma originated from wouldn't really satisfy the deeper questions raised overall.
Thanks for the synopsis! I too, agree about the sideways world being a sort-of purgatory that was meant for the characters (focusing on Jack) to come together and remember their experiences and need for one another in order to move on. I am also unclear about how this sideways world was created, and if the H-bomb had anything to do with that. It seems so, chronologically, but then what other mechanism would allow them to "move into the light"?
RE:" David Shepard doesn't actually exist, right? That's always a frustrating type of cop-out: when a show focuses on a character and then reveals this was just an imaginary plot device."
I actually didn't think that was a "cop-out". I had always thought David's sudden existence seemed bizarre, and i think he was created out of Jack's daddy issues and his necessity for a resolution with his father. Finally having a son, he could now bring the experience growing up full circle. Or perhaps Jack, David and Christian were symbolic of all Jack's stages of life and progress.
Fiction, - as opposed to real life - has the benefit of being able to provide answers. Lost can be summed up as purchasing magic beans with a free copy of a Danielle Steele novel to sweeten the deal. It felt very much like borrowing a whodunnit from the library where the last page is torn out and a post-it stuck in its place reading, 'They all went to Heaven' - despite the fact the sideways flash was a temporary 'Goodbye evnue' where the reunited could meet just long enough to realize what they had lost (Sawyer and Julietee, Jack and Kate). "You were a great number 2" - the final nod to unrequited story telling and the ultimate betrayal of the promise of fiction. It was trash.
I have to disagree with some here who keep saying the writers didn't know what they were doing. For those who feel this way, I suggest that people rewatch the entire series and you'll see clues everywhere. Just like in the episode where Hurley, Locke, and Sawyer are playing Risk, Hurley states, "We are all going to die.....That's what exactly what he wants: to fight amongst ourselves" (referencing Locke). And Locke responds, that "It's his mistake to make, Hugo." You see a nice forshadowing of the finale and the forshadowing of the man in black's plan to for them to kill each other. You'll see many conversations such as this throughout the series.
May 24th, 2010 5:03 PM
HIGHWIRE - thank you so much for your review -
I am still fascinated by this show. I think ultimately it was about redemption and salvation. These characters went through a ton of stuff on the island and then even more in their sideways world before they were prepared for the light.
Back to the island though, I think the reason MIB turned out evil after he was thrown into the water by Jacob is that he was already corrupted by killing his fake mother, but do I have that right, did he kill his mother, after he emerged from the light/cave or before Jakob tossed him in? I honestly can't remember. Either way it seems the light was a powerful force for good however if such power was abused it could be a dangerous evil force as well. Jacob and successors guard the light to protect it from coming into the wrong hands and thus protect the human race. Mother had become evil though as she killed that innocent mother and took her two boys. She wearied of the work. I am assuming that the supernatural forces that installed the first guardian established the "rules" as well for succession and that if you didn't follow them, you were in big trouble so, Mother couldn't just walk off the job.
A real neat follow up series would be about Hurley's reign as guardian of the island and who he drags on to the beaches, during his decades or centuries of duty, then more of the island questions could be answered. Its also not clear how Mother achieved the "power". Maybe it doesn't matter. I guess it was passed on by her predecessor as this line of succession could go right back to the Garden of Eden or the first man.
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