Lost Finale Review: Let There Be Light... Comments (Page 12)
343 Comments
John
May 24th, 2010 10:36 AM
Israel,
When Desmond was on the island he didn't know. As we know all of Desmond's visions don't turn out exactly the way he see them as evidenced by the fact the Claire and Aaron didn't get rescued by getting on to a helicopter. When Desmond realizes the ongoings of the flash sideways, he thinks that's what it will turn out as. However, as explained by Christian, time is irrelevant in the flash sideways. So the island Desmond doesn't realize that the flash sideways isn't a parallel time line.
You have to assume that it's parts of the Ajira plane since the Oceanic plane crashed on the main island while Ajira's plane was on Hydra island.
Stephen
May 24th, 2010 10:32 AM
I enjoyed the finale and felt it was a worthy end to a great show. Sounds like a lot of people misunderstood what "The End" was trying to say. At no point was I led to think that the island and the events that took place weren't real because it was very clear that it was all real, the Flash Sideways/purgatory all happened after the fact once everyone died at different periods of time.
I thought they made that pretty clear.
Mark
May 24th, 2010 10:29 AM
@John,
Why when MIB went into the light did he become a smoke monster?
Mark
May 24th, 2010 10:27 AM
@John
What is the idea/reason behind the island having elecro magnetic properties and being able to travel through time and space and what relationship does that have with "the light"
John
May 24th, 2010 10:21 AM
That is the point of the ending. The writers are trying to deliver a message to the audience that life is about relationships, and not about, "Is O.J. really guilty?, or is time travel possible, or if Mitch Williams didn't blow the lead in game 6 against Toronto, would the Phillies have won the World Series in 1993?" Carlton and Damon has always said this a story about characters with a backdrop of a mysterious island. The island is the background of the series, not the main point of the series.
I've watched every episode at least 4 times and many answers are given when you rewatch episodes. Tell me what answers you want and I'll try my best to give them, if I can.
blrssp
May 24th, 2010 10:21 AM
On the plus side, room was definitely left for further development (either through another show someday, or even a film) about what happened during the Hurley/Linus era of the island. It would have been cool (and very "Lost-like") if Hurley and Ben had shared a memory about an event or two that happened after Jack's death (something that didn't take place on the show that we saw) but, for whatever reason, the writers didn't take this opportunity.
Israel
May 24th, 2010 10:17 AM
Well, I'm still a bit shocked with all I've seen. Liked it a lot in certain ways, was disappointed in others... Of course I'd like to know more about the island, some more light in the mithology and etc... but, what really drives me confuse at this point is Desmond's role. How come he was in the flashsideways trying to "awake" everybody after his near-death experience with Charlie? Had him known, by then, that he was dead? How did he see it all in the island (he tells Jack before going down into the light that none of that mattered, since he saw the future and they were safe and etc), since he was dead? Does his ability to see the future allowed him to see his own "purgatory" future? Also, by the very end we see some wrecks of a plane. Was that Ajira's?
If anyone has any theories on that, I'd love to hear it!
blrssp
May 24th, 2010 10:11 AM
"You are free to your opinion on the episode but how dare you insult people just because they enjoyed an episode." *** I made a fair observation, based on the facts. Anyone being told that 2+2=5 either 1) doesn't know how to add 2+2, or 2) lives in a world where what 2+2 equals doesn't have great subjective significance to them. I, on the other hand, do know how to add 2+2, and I have a subjective interest in objective truths. My point has never been that I dislike the final scene -- I just don't think that the final scene was a justified conclusion to the road that led to it. It was a cop-out. If that was where they were going with this, they could have done a much better job leading up to that point.
Mark
May 24th, 2010 10:10 AM
great ep
Your getting mad at nothing so just calm down.
You mention the eggs are all part of the show, if the eggs mean nothing in the end what was the point?
THIS SHOW IS ABOUT THE CHARACTERS AND THEIR STORIES! - Why have a smoke monster, why have a "garden of eden" esc setting, why have an age-less man, why have a whole season dedicated to electro magnets and time travel, why have flash forward/back/parallel.... All of those things are OVER THE TOP for a usual character driven series. The show was a show of mystery and imagination... it got people thinking... what if this is heven, what if its all a dream, what if its a coma or all in hurleys mind... nobody does that on a character based programme, take house for example that is a Character based programme and is a huge hit..
What he was trying to say is those who enjoyed the episode obviously were just there for the ride... they were happy to just accept what ever was said as part of the story... others (like me) learnt
great ep
May 24th, 2010 10:01 AM
BIRSSP:
that is ridiculously rude of you to say that the people who loved this episode aren't smart. Who do you think you are? You think it takes brains to follow this show? I'm an intelligent person and have looked into every Egg the writers ever dropped and I LOVED this episode! THE SHOW IS NOT ABOUT THE EGGS.. THE EGGS JUST CONTRIBUTE TO THE STORIES WE ARE BEING TOLD. THIS SHOW IS ABOUT THE CHARACTERS AND THEIR STORIES! (WHICH THE WRITERS HAVE SAID A MILLION TIMES). Maybe you are the one who isn't following because you seem to have your mind caught in the unnecessary and the delusional.
You are free to your opinion on the episode but how dare you insult people just because they enjoyed an episode.
katforsure
May 24th, 2010 9:59 AM
I have been thinking about this - this started with a man of faith and a man of science (reason)
If you are a man/woman of faith (and by faith, I do not mean religion, although religion is not excluded), then you loved the ending
If you are a man/woman of science/reason, then you hated it.
Perhaps our responses to the finale tell us on which end of that continuum we tend toward (if we didn't know already)
Peter
May 24th, 2010 9:58 AM
blrssp 100% Right Im sure this ending was mentioned by theorists after season 1
Good but no Cigar
May 24th, 2010 9:58 AM
Seems to me the 2 groups here fall into 2 camps;
Those that liked the ending because they believed they were watching a soap opera about the character relationships, great Im glad you are happy.
And those (including me) who are unhappy because we believed we were watching a sci-fi series, which requires a level of intelligent writing that was sadly not delivered at the end.
Not meaning to patronise anyone who liked it, but whoever claimed lower down those of us who are unhappy 'didnt get it' is wrong sorry, we did get it, and it didnt work for us, as it was basically a wake up in the shower ending.
Blrssp
May 24th, 2010 9:56 AM
"That point is that life is full of mysteries, twists, turns, heartaches, but in reality none of that matters."
It's a TV show, not life. If all of what happened "didn't matter," other than the human relationships that were formed, then end the damn thing after season One or Two and be done with it. Don't pile on layer after intriguing layer of mythology and plot development and then cop out of it by snipping one of the strings and having it all drop to the floor in a tangled mess that is explained by vague "it didn't really matter anyway" excuses. To clarify my position: I don't need answers to everything. I don't need to know where the polar bears came from. I don't need to know what happened to Walt. I don't need to know where Claire went when she disappeared. I don't need to know all of what was going on in Jacob's mind. I don't need every I dotted and T crossed. I do, however, think that an ending befitting what was mostly an excellent TV show would have included more
Terry
May 24th, 2010 9:56 AM
I was truly disappointed by the finale. Everything, and I mean everything meant nothing except some figment of a dead persons imagination? What about the two episodes dedicated entirely to the three most mysterious people on the show? The man in black, and Jacob, and the show about Richard? They were not even real!!!! Sorry, but I think this ending was a culmination of the writers getting lost in their own show. Don't get me wrong, i enjoyed it, until the last 15 minutes, as I kept watching every second and waiting for answers, wondering how they were going to fit it all in there.... then... nothing.
Dan
May 24th, 2010 9:54 AM
I went to bed after watching the finale feeling lost and disappointed. The characters we grew to love and support over 6 years all died. The struggle for freedom and to get of the island was just a big dream? Are the writers saying that this whole thing was just a Ghost Story and expecting that we would settle for that?
I expected an ending like having the sideways world catch up to the Island world's reality when the truth (and explanation) of the island would be revealed. I expected that once the characters rediscovered their past life on the island, that Hurley would set them up with enough money to start their lives again. Not go to a stupid church to realize that they are all for not!
It's an ending but it's a crappy one when the heroes all die. It's supposed to be a happy life everafter not in the everafter.
Oh one major point to make. Jacob "murdered" his own brother by throwing him into the light. He came out as Smoky. Their mom warned Jacob that to go in there is wors
Matt
May 24th, 2010 9:54 AM
The numbers were explained mid season. The light house that Jacob used to find each of the candidates. Each of them could be found at a certain place on the dial. 4 degrees, 8 degrees and so on for each candidate. Your welcome.
John
May 24th, 2010 9:44 AM
Birssp,
I have a clear understanding about most of the things of the story line. A lot of questions were answered. Would I liked to have more answers? Of course. Who wouldn't? However, I'd be glad to answer any questions you have, if I can. But I'll repost to get to see what the purpose of the ending was.
My post was:
I initially agree with most that the final episode was disappointing. However, after thinking about it I think most people are missing the point of the ending. That point is that life is full of mysteries, twists, turns, heartaches, but in reality none of that matters. The only thing in life that matters is the relationships you have with others. I also would have liked many more answers to the many questions I had throughout the series. But to make a finale with all the answers would have taken away from the meaning of the ending. The flash sideways in purgatory was that of the "losties" living a life they desired to have. However, once they found the pe
Good but no Cigar
May 24th, 2010 9:41 AM
To blrssp
Bravo, spot on! well said !
blrssp
May 24th, 2010 9:39 AM
I think it's pretty clear that the people who loved this episode aren't smart enough to have pieced the whole thing together anyway, and have given up on that long ago. It's those of us who actually were following the threads of logic in this show to their conclusion that are let down by this bomb of a finale, because we rightly feel insulted by the fact that, by the middle of last season, a giant mess had been made and the creators of the show obviously couldn't be bothered to adequately clean it up.
lovedLOSTending
May 24th, 2010 9:38 AM
I have to say, I'm really disappointed by the number of people leaving comments here who just didn't get it. The LOST finale was beautiful, moving, and filled with emotion. If you're still crying about questions that weren't answered, then you have no imagination - do you really need everything spoon fed? While I agree that there are certain things that would have been "nice to know," not getting those answers did not ruin the series for me in the least. If at the end of this episode, you didn't want to go run and hug your loved ones...then please, watch it again. But this time, try to let yourself get LOST in the emotion of the story.
Dan
May 24th, 2010 9:34 AM
The finale was amazing! Its not about the island guys!! This was the story of plane crash survivors and what happened to them after they crashed. It was the story of the Mysterious Island...if it was then the show would be called Mysterious Island instead of Lost. We saw the story of these people and their fight against a monster that was stalking/killing them since the first episode when the pilot got killed (RIP Parkman). So we got to see how that ended and as an extra bonus we got to see what happened to them after it all. Everyone ended up together with the people they were close with and they all moved on together. It doesnt matter if the 6 people on the plane got back or how long Hurley and Ben protected the island together...they did what they had to do, stopped the smoke monster from leaving the island and discovered each other in the process. Very emotional and wonderful ending. LOVE IT :)
st
May 24th, 2010 9:30 AM
I'm pretty sure they did die on the plane (kate, saywer, claire, miles, pilot) they did state it was rigged with explosives, MIB only took the one bomb out that ben put there, witmore did the rest, we just didnt see it blow up... they all died on the island, at different times (well hurley and ben and desmond (desmond probably did get off))... we know too that its impossible to fly off of the island, the compass goes crazy and they just cant leave.
Blrssp
May 24th, 2010 9:30 AM
"I also would have liked many more answers to the many questions I had throughout the series. But to make a finale with all the answers would have taken away from the meaning of the ending." I really dislike this often-repeated false choice, as if explaining some of the show would have in some way ruined the impact of the ending that they did. The fact is, this finale was a complete cop-out and a gross disservice to the rest of the show. It would have been eminently possible to have a finale that touched on pretty much the same themes and have been just as impactful emotionally, yet would have been much more respectful to the show's own past, and more respectful to the viewer who has been there since the first season. The writers blew it, the producers blew it and, ultimately, the network blew it. The only people who didn't blow it were the actors, who I must say did a very fine job this season, despite mostly being given nonsense to work with.
ryan
May 24th, 2010 9:28 AM
So the island had elecromagnetic properties, people were led to think that if you could harness that energy you could create time travel, Even move the island.
Now if I am correct that means nothing and its the light at the center of the island that is the main thing... seems like dharma slaughter was pointless and I may have wasted my time watching for the last few years.
I am not happy with the ending. I dont like the fact this has religious undertones and would rather have seen a big fight between desmond and locke (smokey). This ending was about as good for me as "and then they all woke up"
May 24th, 2010 10:36 AM
Israel,
When Desmond was on the island he didn't know. As we know all of Desmond's visions don't turn out exactly the way he see them as evidenced by the fact the Claire and Aaron didn't get rescued by getting on to a helicopter. When Desmond realizes the ongoings of the flash sideways, he thinks that's what it will turn out as. However, as explained by Christian, time is irrelevant in the flash sideways. So the island Desmond doesn't realize that the flash sideways isn't a parallel time line.
You have to assume that it's parts of the Ajira plane since the Oceanic plane crashed on the main island while Ajira's plane was on Hydra island.
May 24th, 2010 10:32 AM
I enjoyed the finale and felt it was a worthy end to a great show. Sounds like a lot of people misunderstood what "The End" was trying to say. At no point was I led to think that the island and the events that took place weren't real because it was very clear that it was all real, the Flash Sideways/purgatory all happened after the fact once everyone died at different periods of time.
I thought they made that pretty clear.
May 24th, 2010 10:29 AM
@John,
Why when MIB went into the light did he become a smoke monster?
May 24th, 2010 10:27 AM
@John
What is the idea/reason behind the island having elecro magnetic properties and being able to travel through time and space and what relationship does that have with "the light"
May 24th, 2010 10:21 AM
That is the point of the ending. The writers are trying to deliver a message to the audience that life is about relationships, and not about, "Is O.J. really guilty?, or is time travel possible, or if Mitch Williams didn't blow the lead in game 6 against Toronto, would the Phillies have won the World Series in 1993?" Carlton and Damon has always said this a story about characters with a backdrop of a mysterious island. The island is the background of the series, not the main point of the series.
I've watched every episode at least 4 times and many answers are given when you rewatch episodes. Tell me what answers you want and I'll try my best to give them, if I can.
May 24th, 2010 10:21 AM
On the plus side, room was definitely left for further development (either through another show someday, or even a film) about what happened during the Hurley/Linus era of the island. It would have been cool (and very "Lost-like") if Hurley and Ben had shared a memory about an event or two that happened after Jack's death (something that didn't take place on the show that we saw) but, for whatever reason, the writers didn't take this opportunity.
May 24th, 2010 10:17 AM
Well, I'm still a bit shocked with all I've seen. Liked it a lot in certain ways, was disappointed in others... Of course I'd like to know more about the island, some more light in the mithology and etc... but, what really drives me confuse at this point is Desmond's role. How come he was in the flashsideways trying to "awake" everybody after his near-death experience with Charlie? Had him known, by then, that he was dead? How did he see it all in the island (he tells Jack before going down into the light that none of that mattered, since he saw the future and they were safe and etc), since he was dead? Does his ability to see the future allowed him to see his own "purgatory" future? Also, by the very end we see some wrecks of a plane. Was that Ajira's?
If anyone has any theories on that, I'd love to hear it!
May 24th, 2010 10:11 AM
"You are free to your opinion on the episode but how dare you insult people just because they enjoyed an episode." *** I made a fair observation, based on the facts. Anyone being told that 2+2=5 either 1) doesn't know how to add 2+2, or 2) lives in a world where what 2+2 equals doesn't have great subjective significance to them. I, on the other hand, do know how to add 2+2, and I have a subjective interest in objective truths. My point has never been that I dislike the final scene -- I just don't think that the final scene was a justified conclusion to the road that led to it. It was a cop-out. If that was where they were going with this, they could have done a much better job leading up to that point.
May 24th, 2010 10:10 AM
great ep
Your getting mad at nothing so just calm down.
You mention the eggs are all part of the show, if the eggs mean nothing in the end what was the point?
THIS SHOW IS ABOUT THE CHARACTERS AND THEIR STORIES! - Why have a smoke monster, why have a "garden of eden" esc setting, why have an age-less man, why have a whole season dedicated to electro magnets and time travel, why have flash forward/back/parallel.... All of those things are OVER THE TOP for a usual character driven series. The show was a show of mystery and imagination... it got people thinking... what if this is heven, what if its all a dream, what if its a coma or all in hurleys mind... nobody does that on a character based programme, take house for example that is a Character based programme and is a huge hit..
What he was trying to say is those who enjoyed the episode obviously were just there for the ride... they were happy to just accept what ever was said as part of the story... others (like me) learnt
May 24th, 2010 10:01 AM
BIRSSP:
that is ridiculously rude of you to say that the people who loved this episode aren't smart. Who do you think you are? You think it takes brains to follow this show? I'm an intelligent person and have looked into every Egg the writers ever dropped and I LOVED this episode! THE SHOW IS NOT ABOUT THE EGGS.. THE EGGS JUST CONTRIBUTE TO THE STORIES WE ARE BEING TOLD. THIS SHOW IS ABOUT THE CHARACTERS AND THEIR STORIES! (WHICH THE WRITERS HAVE SAID A MILLION TIMES). Maybe you are the one who isn't following because you seem to have your mind caught in the unnecessary and the delusional.
You are free to your opinion on the episode but how dare you insult people just because they enjoyed an episode.
May 24th, 2010 9:59 AM
I have been thinking about this - this started with a man of faith and a man of science (reason)
If you are a man/woman of faith (and by faith, I do not mean religion, although religion is not excluded), then you loved the ending
If you are a man/woman of science/reason, then you hated it.
Perhaps our responses to the finale tell us on which end of that continuum we tend toward (if we didn't know already)
May 24th, 2010 9:58 AM
blrssp 100% Right Im sure this ending was mentioned by theorists after season 1
May 24th, 2010 9:58 AM
Seems to me the 2 groups here fall into 2 camps;
Those that liked the ending because they believed they were watching a soap opera about the character relationships, great Im glad you are happy.
And those (including me) who are unhappy because we believed we were watching a sci-fi series, which requires a level of intelligent writing that was sadly not delivered at the end.
Not meaning to patronise anyone who liked it, but whoever claimed lower down those of us who are unhappy 'didnt get it' is wrong sorry, we did get it, and it didnt work for us, as it was basically a wake up in the shower ending.
May 24th, 2010 9:56 AM
"That point is that life is full of mysteries, twists, turns, heartaches, but in reality none of that matters."
It's a TV show, not life. If all of what happened "didn't matter," other than the human relationships that were formed, then end the damn thing after season One or Two and be done with it. Don't pile on layer after intriguing layer of mythology and plot development and then cop out of it by snipping one of the strings and having it all drop to the floor in a tangled mess that is explained by vague "it didn't really matter anyway" excuses. To clarify my position: I don't need answers to everything. I don't need to know where the polar bears came from. I don't need to know what happened to Walt. I don't need to know where Claire went when she disappeared. I don't need to know all of what was going on in Jacob's mind. I don't need every I dotted and T crossed. I do, however, think that an ending befitting what was mostly an excellent TV show would have included more
May 24th, 2010 9:56 AM
I was truly disappointed by the finale. Everything, and I mean everything meant nothing except some figment of a dead persons imagination? What about the two episodes dedicated entirely to the three most mysterious people on the show? The man in black, and Jacob, and the show about Richard? They were not even real!!!! Sorry, but I think this ending was a culmination of the writers getting lost in their own show. Don't get me wrong, i enjoyed it, until the last 15 minutes, as I kept watching every second and waiting for answers, wondering how they were going to fit it all in there.... then... nothing.
May 24th, 2010 9:54 AM
I went to bed after watching the finale feeling lost and disappointed. The characters we grew to love and support over 6 years all died. The struggle for freedom and to get of the island was just a big dream? Are the writers saying that this whole thing was just a Ghost Story and expecting that we would settle for that?
I expected an ending like having the sideways world catch up to the Island world's reality when the truth (and explanation) of the island would be revealed. I expected that once the characters rediscovered their past life on the island, that Hurley would set them up with enough money to start their lives again. Not go to a stupid church to realize that they are all for not!
It's an ending but it's a crappy one when the heroes all die. It's supposed to be a happy life everafter not in the everafter.
Oh one major point to make. Jacob "murdered" his own brother by throwing him into the light. He came out as Smoky. Their mom warned Jacob that to go in there is wors
May 24th, 2010 9:54 AM
The numbers were explained mid season. The light house that Jacob used to find each of the candidates. Each of them could be found at a certain place on the dial. 4 degrees, 8 degrees and so on for each candidate. Your welcome.
May 24th, 2010 9:44 AM
Birssp,
I have a clear understanding about most of the things of the story line. A lot of questions were answered. Would I liked to have more answers? Of course. Who wouldn't? However, I'd be glad to answer any questions you have, if I can. But I'll repost to get to see what the purpose of the ending was.
My post was:
I initially agree with most that the final episode was disappointing. However, after thinking about it I think most people are missing the point of the ending. That point is that life is full of mysteries, twists, turns, heartaches, but in reality none of that matters. The only thing in life that matters is the relationships you have with others. I also would have liked many more answers to the many questions I had throughout the series. But to make a finale with all the answers would have taken away from the meaning of the ending. The flash sideways in purgatory was that of the "losties" living a life they desired to have. However, once they found the pe
May 24th, 2010 9:41 AM
To blrssp
Bravo, spot on! well said !
May 24th, 2010 9:39 AM
I think it's pretty clear that the people who loved this episode aren't smart enough to have pieced the whole thing together anyway, and have given up on that long ago. It's those of us who actually were following the threads of logic in this show to their conclusion that are let down by this bomb of a finale, because we rightly feel insulted by the fact that, by the middle of last season, a giant mess had been made and the creators of the show obviously couldn't be bothered to adequately clean it up.
May 24th, 2010 9:38 AM
I have to say, I'm really disappointed by the number of people leaving comments here who just didn't get it. The LOST finale was beautiful, moving, and filled with emotion. If you're still crying about questions that weren't answered, then you have no imagination - do you really need everything spoon fed? While I agree that there are certain things that would have been "nice to know," not getting those answers did not ruin the series for me in the least. If at the end of this episode, you didn't want to go run and hug your loved ones...then please, watch it again. But this time, try to let yourself get LOST in the emotion of the story.
May 24th, 2010 9:34 AM
The finale was amazing! Its not about the island guys!! This was the story of plane crash survivors and what happened to them after they crashed. It was the story of the Mysterious Island...if it was then the show would be called Mysterious Island instead of Lost. We saw the story of these people and their fight against a monster that was stalking/killing them since the first episode when the pilot got killed (RIP Parkman). So we got to see how that ended and as an extra bonus we got to see what happened to them after it all. Everyone ended up together with the people they were close with and they all moved on together. It doesnt matter if the 6 people on the plane got back or how long Hurley and Ben protected the island together...they did what they had to do, stopped the smoke monster from leaving the island and discovered each other in the process. Very emotional and wonderful ending. LOVE IT :)
May 24th, 2010 9:30 AM
I'm pretty sure they did die on the plane (kate, saywer, claire, miles, pilot) they did state it was rigged with explosives, MIB only took the one bomb out that ben put there, witmore did the rest, we just didnt see it blow up... they all died on the island, at different times (well hurley and ben and desmond (desmond probably did get off))... we know too that its impossible to fly off of the island, the compass goes crazy and they just cant leave.
May 24th, 2010 9:30 AM
"I also would have liked many more answers to the many questions I had throughout the series. But to make a finale with all the answers would have taken away from the meaning of the ending." I really dislike this often-repeated false choice, as if explaining some of the show would have in some way ruined the impact of the ending that they did. The fact is, this finale was a complete cop-out and a gross disservice to the rest of the show. It would have been eminently possible to have a finale that touched on pretty much the same themes and have been just as impactful emotionally, yet would have been much more respectful to the show's own past, and more respectful to the viewer who has been there since the first season. The writers blew it, the producers blew it and, ultimately, the network blew it. The only people who didn't blow it were the actors, who I must say did a very fine job this season, despite mostly being given nonsense to work with.
May 24th, 2010 9:28 AM
So the island had elecromagnetic properties, people were led to think that if you could harness that energy you could create time travel, Even move the island.
Now if I am correct that means nothing and its the light at the center of the island that is the main thing... seems like dharma slaughter was pointless and I may have wasted my time watching for the last few years.
I am not happy with the ending. I dont like the fact this has religious undertones and would rather have seen a big fight between desmond and locke (smokey). This ending was about as good for me as "and then they all woke up"