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Thank you Sylvia.
Much appreciate your notice of the Season 3 airing time as well as the info about "Red sky at night" and sailor's meaning. How cool is that! I'm hopeful we'll get a satisfying opening episode for season 3 to quell at least some of the churning questions as well as the dry spell.
The next episode is titled "Red sky at night" which according to experts is s sailer's quote dating as far back as Bible times and meant a good sailing if the sky was red at night. I'm sure we will find "delight" for Jane after the horror of the past.
Season 3 will start airing on Spetember 23rd at 10 p.m. if anyone is still wondering. I want to see if there will be an answer to the riddle or if the enigmatic smile on Patrick's face as he falls asleep is the only clue we'll get. I could tell he knew Kristina's fate, and what about the young man who was shot in the leg, did he not hear R.J. and relate the event.
I’d like to revisit William Blake (the 17th Century British author/painter) because his poem and his painting are referenced in this series as well as the fact that Blake occasionally “spoke” with his dead brother. Even if unintended by the writers, I’d still find the contrast between Patrick Jane and William Blake very interesting.
Most importantly, Patrick Jane vehemently denies any validity regarding life after death or imaginings of a spiritual context. He’s all about “sight” and finding clues through what he can observe with his eyes, although it’s an astonishing amount.
In the opening episode Jane told Lisbon that the killing of the husband (stepfather) by his wife (mother of murdered child) was “Not as bad as it looks.” That’s an interesting phraseology. In my opinion even if the husband had been guilty, in the shoes of the wife-with her dead daughter and now facing trial and likely prison, it certainly would feel worse than it looked. In
hi...i am just curious if any one knows when the next season will come out,anyone?
OK Carol, we've now ascertained that the writers can present themselves as a crop of dithering mid-level school drop-outs except for once in a while coming up with a great premise which they render stupid after a guise. I don't think we'll see a new episode until probably October, so they have all Summer to summarize their low level of consciousness into a quasi-logical opening act for season 3. Whilst sitting pretty here waiting for that I can virtually project a Kubrikian ending, that is the long sigh of having passed a corner and finding nothing there of consequence.
"As a writer".......
That makes two of us. :-)
Actually my life is ridiculously full, but I can't resist taking the time to assault others with my musings. The real truth is....can you say narcissistic? :-) Isn't that part of what most writers are about? They've got something to say. Hopefully somebody somewhere is interested in listening. At least that's what my husband tells me. My website for children's stories is on page one of the Google search for "children's books" (usually #3 or #4). You can't please everybody, but it's nice when there's a few.... For many years it was #1, but then there was Amazon, etc. etc.
When is this darn series going to start up again, anyway? Obviously that's what the viewers *really* want!
OK Carol, what is this, couch day, catharsis. Pleae tell me you're not counting on a t.v. show to analyze your psyche. We are not supposed to live vicariously through these made-up stories, that would mean our lives are irrelevant and what a sad commentary.I'll bet you have better things to do and so do I. As a writer, I feed onthe exhaustion following the reading of any good script or even outline. Petty speculations just leave me weary, but I revel in a good imagining of a personal trauma. Lets think about some of these for the next installments of our favorite show. Perhaps Mr. Baker will come back from "Breath" with renewed flexings of his acting abilities and give us a good new season.
I’m grateful that “The Mentalist” has taught me so much. I feel I’ve even learned the secret of what NOT to do through Patrick Jane’s example.
Because of Jane’s father’s teachings that “There are only two types of people in this world (1) the losers, and (2) those who use the losers” Jane became a successful psychic fraud. It was never about the journey, it was always about the goal and getting what you want at somebody else’s expense. Although Jane’s actions would be questionable, he could always follow a con man’s rules and never make a mistake.
For Jane, there was only one significant mistake and although it was a whopper, who cares?! After all, that one mistake caused Patrick Jane to flip and become the Wyatt Earp of law enforcement, a place where he can carry on never making mistakes. Now he gets to be “Mr. Judgment,” pointing out everybody else’s mistakes and if in the meanwhile he can catch, slice, and dice the guy that tripped him up in
Carol, I guess you and I are having a dialogue. What with no new episodes coming for a few months, we can speculate. There is a delisional and illogical minority here in this forum speculating that KF is RJ, what a crock, the Jane and Lisbon will connect at some point, they already have in a non-sexual context, she is the only one he would call if he were dying, so let it go, people. Think of this series as an exercise in human validation when all else has gone wrong. Everyone is a victim of cirumstance and that is validated through human emotions which the actors all transmit to us the viewers, albeit through the writers' script, thus when poorly written, they would like us to accept that you can pick up a turd by the clean end.
I re-watched the first episode introducing Kristina and I’ve got more comments. (Hey, I’m probably more obsessed about this show than anybody!)
1. Kristina said that the car that hit and killed the victim would be found in water over concrete. In the scene pulling it from the dam, Patrick proclaimed to Lisbon, “Either Kristina is implicated OR she is a real psychic. Arrest her!” Possibly an inside joke by the writers? because Kristina was not implicated.
Although writers of television/movies follow the same rules as those limited by the text format of physical pages of a book, they have additional devices they can use. A director (to add interest) can work the camera to aid or distract viewers. There’s some interesting camera work in this series and much focuses on Patrick Jane’s facial reactions. If an important element of this series is to reveal emotions, then Heller picked the perfect actors. Baker is phenomenal at projecting emotions. The camera closes
I really want Kristina to be RJ but I sincerely doubt it. First of all, RJ is almost certainly a man, remember the episode called Red John's friends where the writing on the wall said 'he is man?' Second of all, why would Kristina reach out to Red John on television if she was Red John. I think its the forensics guy. Bruno Heller was giving us a hint when he said the Tyger poem because of Blake's Partridge thing. Also, as a forensics guy it would make sense that he was in the CBI building to kill Rebeca. But maybe its a bit too obvious. I just hope that Kristina is not going to turn into Jane's love interest. She annoys me soo much and I wanted to punch her when she kissed Jane. He belongs to Lisbon.
Hey Carol, thanks for validating. We have been hypothesizing the writers meanings in a remarkably limited context there is a need for specific machinations from these characters not whimpy transgressions with a lack of resonnace. This shaw has so many varying degrees of coherency its difficult to see their true value ie when Van Pelt decides to forego her love interest in favor of her career, there was the bitch coming through just as Jane had predicted. We do need to find out how Jane ended up with Lisbon's team and not the marginalized police work he did before his breakdown. By the way, his house in Malibu, what is the deal there? He is several hours away from Sacramento, so why go there for a nap, also the blood on the wall should be brown by now, its been so many years, property master, control your set.
Actually, it's such a great show that I figured I could just stop posting. (But not quite yet, however.) I do believe others are due respect no matter how 'opinionated' I might feel.
Regarding other characters,
(1) Cho is lots of fun to watch for his deadpan character. I had to laugh when he said, "I never understood zoos. Why would people go see animals?" Has there been an episode with him and a little child? That would be endearing.
(2) And Grace is particularly fun. She's the epitome of her name. She's so sweet and "apparently" gullible. I'd like to see her star in an episode where people are shocked by her true grit.
(3) Riley's kind of like "everyman". He's been goofy, relaxed, serious, angry, "in love." Would be nice to see him handed police work where he has to "play a character role" for his job, stretching our concept of him. Actually, he did just a tiny bit of that in one episode. But I WANT MORE!
(4) Last, but not least, Lisbon. She's already had more atten
I guess crossroads was right. So you'll stop watching next fall since it offends your psychic psyche, bummer! I'm too invested however, so I'll be waiting for the reckoning that is sure to come. Both Heller and Baker have hinted at a more human, ie sexual, side of Patrick, so maybe he'll get back in the dating pool, resolve his conflict and come back to earth as a less conflicted individual, what an invigorating outrage. I still think there will be blood spilled,his, and a renewed zest for breathing.
***Honestly, great response. I'll address individual points:
we are at crossroads here. Psychics are frauds and like to prey on people.
****From my reading of the subject, psychic ability is a genuine fact and scientific studies have not shown anything other than it exists. But I absolutely agree there's too many psychic frauds.
Jane's wife had asked him to lay off and stop deceiving people ( he waited too long). He did have a nervous breakdown, felt the guilt and the self pity which he now views as fear based rituals which need to be squelched so as not to become a disempowering sense of loss.
***Darn, I missed that show, so I got left out of a whole lot of explanation. Thanks. Would have been helpful for me to have watched it. On the other hand, after reading these groups and seeing people's attitudes, I've decided that rather than "The M
we are at crossroads here. Psychics are frauds and like to prey on people. I remember at one time Jane's wife had asked him to lay off and stop deceiving people ( he waited too long). He did have a nervous breakdown, felt the guilt and the self pity which he now views as fear based rituals which need to be squelched so as not to become a disempowering sense of loss. You can tell by his often being lost in thought how his mind is a blend of meditative detachement and/or locked on soul to soul engagement which now is based on a need for control or it will transcend into fear. This man is far into blackness which he hides in childish behaviour. If I were actually writing fo the show, I would keep the brevity of the charactor with a darker brooding quality just lurking shallowly beneath.
Anybody know when the new season starts?
MUST correct myself. "Formulating plots all summer? Sounds Divine!"
Really liked your comment. Hmm. Formulating plots all summer? Sounds define.
Hey Peoples, please forgive me, but here’s my guess:
Patrick Jane was born a psychic. He was kind and loving, but well aware that his con artist father would never approve. So in one of their team acts before an audience, he dared to go rogue, telling a girl in the audience about her dead relative. (1) He made certain to provide a logical explanation for his father on how he did it; and (2) in the telling, his face lit up with sheer bliss in remembering that he had made the girl “happy.” Unfortunately, his father was not impressed. He was pissed.
But Jane’s father decides to capitalize on the psychic angle and cheat a grandmother out of money through the false hope of helping her dying granddaughter. It was on Jane’s shoulders to confirm the lie and convince the grandmother, which he did. But he suffered and bore the agony
Why, unfortunately, Carol? We've already seen enough of K.F., Jane needs to move on. Also, going back to Malibu for a refresher snooze seems such a waste of time, but hey! I'll be formulating plots all summer because that's what I do, lets see if the writers can come up with something better than bathos next fall. I do enjoy your comments, intelligence is so much more useful than lascivious drooling over someone's looks.
June 25th, 2010 1:01 PM
Thank you, Sylvia, for your comments.
"Carol, you're seeing way too much in Blakes musings."
Fair enough. I'm sure you're right--unfortunately.
"As I see it, K.F. is Red John's sister who has now decided to give Patrick a reprieve. He knows she is alive and well hence the smile on his face at the end."
Wow! You have the exact same idea that I do. There's not really anything to substantiate it, but seems likely for some reason..(?)
Because things seemed so calm at the police station, I'm thinking that Kristina took her passport and actually went somewhere verifiable.
Carol, you're seeing way too much in Blakes musings. As I see it, K.F. is Red John's sister who has now decided to give Patrick a reprieve. He knows she is alive and well hence the smile on his face at the end. Red John will have to surface again, but my soft bigotry of low expectations is not going to give the writers any huge credit unless Mr Heller himself (sans wife) sits down andwrites the next few episodes himself, all credulity aside and as Bob Herbold said, using restraint mixed with reluctance, gives us a reason to keep watching.
Bruno Heller the writer said in an interview, "my wife, whom I love dearly and I respect deeply, does believe in it [psychics]."
In one scene the sign outside Kristina Frye's house read "Psychic Healer." If you take that *literally* then the question becomes can a psychic healer heal a damaged psychic? It's a devilishly creative and clever concept. I'm sure many of the viewers wouldn't be partial to the idea, but I'm amused that [maybe] Bruno Heller let the cat out of the bag . When the series is over and done, if Patrick Jane is still saying "there are no real psychics," Heller will have his wife to contend with.
Regarding how Patrick Jane could acquire redemption, I would like to quote from a book called "English Blake" by Bernard Blackstone, about the beliefs of William Blake, the man who wrote the poem "The Tyger" (poem quoted by Red John).
"Blake believed that the great sin--the only sin which can shut out from the eternal world--is unbelief, wilful blindness. ..To see is to understand; to understand is to forgive, and to act rightly." And to quote Blake himself, "Men are admitted into Heaven not because they have curbed & govern'd their Passions or have No Passions but because they have Cultivated their Understandings. The Treasure of Heaven are not Negations of Passion, but Realities of Intellect, from which all the Passions Emanante Uncurbed in their Eternal Glory. The Fool shall not enter into Heaven let him be ever so Holy. Holiness is not The Price Of Entrance into Heaven."
In other words, not wilful blindness, but forgiveness through understanding. Patrick's redemptio
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