I can't believe that people are actually hating on Grilled Cheesus. Really? Underneath all the fun and stereotypical characters Glee has taken on some tough issues and started doing it straight out of the gate.
Whether you love or hate the fact that Kurt is a gay Atheist, or Finn was praying to a grilled cheese, let's face facts... The teen years are full of confusion regarding just about everything including religion and spirituality. Glee managed to tackle this grey area, bring in a few points of view, and gave us a lesson in tolerance.
Kudos to Glee for bringing us Grilled Cheesus. This is the only show in creation that could bring us a straight forward episode involving religion and spirituality and make us laugh, tear up, and remember our own teen choices (good or bad) without brow beating the audience.
bekki
October 7th, 2010 5:21 PM
@Brent - everyone has their own opinion on religion. Emma was just telling Finn that so that he doesn't start getting false ideas. She wasn't telling him to stop - just that not everything is controlled by god.
I am a christian and I think they handled this episode very well. I believe that people should stop 'dissing' the episode because they made Kurt an atheist!!! that was his opinion in life, and he believed that, even if god existed, he wasn't good. and he would've been angry at god for doing that to his dad! But in the end, he accepted the others prayers...or said that he should've, which is practically the same thing! But I think it's plain rude for you to dislike that. there are plenty of people in society who are atheist...and Kurt is the shows representation of them! Now stop moaning!!!
I loved the songs...but @Bex, they put in unpopular good songs because they can't just do songs everyone knows. Like I knew most of the songs in this episode, but in previous episodes I'
TJ
October 7th, 2010 2:05 PM
Wow, hated it! It was stupid and one-sided to the left! You lost me as a viewer!
Brent
October 7th, 2010 11:54 AM
I hated this episode to the point I may not continue watching Glee. I am fine with having a show which displays certain values I don't agree with. However, as a Christian I felt there was a very strong anti-God and discriminatory message the show made. Finn is one of the few with faith and it involves praying to a sandwich and disrespecting Jesus. He eventually loses his faith because the guidance counsellor who seems to have faith talks him out of any practical point to his faith. "God doesn't answer silly requests because he has more important things to do" was the gist of what she said. Sue's sister has faith, but she is mentally handicapped so she get's a free pass from her simple naive mind. Kurt just pissed me off. Came across like a whiny, bitchy religion bigot. There was no balance in the show. I didn't think it had to end with God answering the prayers, but at least try to be less obvious in it's clear disdain for faith and people of faith.
Sez
October 7th, 2010 11:32 AM
For me, the only really bad part of this episode was Finn's arc. Yeah some of the other characters were a tad annoying (with forcing their faith onto someone who was asking for them to lay off a little) but they were well written and it was all intended.
Finn however is just becoming more of an idiot as the show goes on. Fine he thinks he's seen Jesus on his grilled cheese (won't get into the stupid naming it 'Grilled Cheesus' which was fine for the episode title but not for him to keep referring to it as throughout the episode, if he really thought it was Jesus surely he'd show some respect and call him his proper name), but when thinking he REALLY grants wishes and they come true he doesn't use one for Burt (who he seems to care about and also with the knowledge of what it's like to lose a father you'd think he'd want Kurt to NOT experience that, being his friend)?!
That was just stupid. The guy is a total bonehead. I used to think he was just a loveable dipstick, but now I think
Karma
October 6th, 2010 11:29 PM
Apparently I am the only one who hated Kurt's Rendition of I want to Hold Your hand. I guess because I am really into the history of music and what not. I guess we are all entitled to our opinions. Mine being that the worst part of the episode was Kurt's singing that song, and by singing I mean ruining it.
Karma
October 6th, 2010 11:24 PM
I hated Kurt's rendition of the Beatles I want to hold your hand. Yeah great story and what not, I just didn't think that it was very well performed. I know all the songs are auto-tuned but this one was autotuned to freaking death, and it was more obvious in this one than in others. But other than that I liked it.
zapphe
October 6th, 2010 10:34 PM
I like what one of the posters said here, I do not like that they make people who don't believe in God because they suffered some kind of adversity in life.
I have a gay daughter and I do not blame God when she suffers discrimination, I blame the small-minded people. There isnt a God anywhere in any religion doesnt want His/Her subject to be happy.
If you do not believe in God or a power high above, fair enough, but do so because you think so not because you cannot get what you want (in Sue's case, her sister to be normal, in Kurt's case, not to be put down by non-gay supporters).
sarah
October 6th, 2010 10:32 PM
wow, this was a bad episode actaull7
anna Rank: Recurring Character
October 6th, 2010 7:06 PM
I LOVED this episode! I am an atheist but I would never do what Kurt or Sue did, I would appreciate the prayers, and although I think religion is just another fairytale or myth, it's hard to say I wouldn't turn to prayer in a moment like that..that being said, I loved the episode and I can't believe how they found a such a perfect little Kurt, he's Chris's clone!
Bex
October 6th, 2010 7:01 PM
Further to my comment, I've just started reading all of your comments and ditto to what Maggie Smith said. As Artie would say, Preach.
Also, I just realised, did Artie have ANY lines today?
Bex
October 6th, 2010 6:57 PM
For me this episode was a bit hit and miss. Firstly I only recognised a few of the songs and Losing My Religion was the only one I really knew, so on the basis of music it was a bit poor.
Secondly, I felt that the option of not believing in God was frowned upon, shunted to the side and only really developed in the last part of the episode. Tina's reaction to Kurt not believing in God was fairly ridiculous, I know Glee is set in America, but come on, there has to be some atheists around somewhere? Atheists in the episode were depicted as people having a "lack" of faith, or a "lack" of belief and Mercedes' preach about people needing something to hold on to was purely subjective on her part. I'm glad Kurt didn't have some trite revelation about God at the end but I'm disappointed that the only atheists that were depicted were atheists because they suffered some sort of tragedy in their lives. What I was waiting for someone to say, ok you can believe in God and you can not believe
Neil Carlson
October 6th, 2010 5:42 PM
A man struggling with his faith while needing to honor his father by using the most moving version of a Beatles song that I have ever heard, wow!
Amanda
October 6th, 2010 5:35 PM
Okay so i understand trying to get everyones point of view in a 45 minute segment...so i will give Glee people props for that one. But in the end I felt like the end resolution was pretty much everyone beliving what Kurt wanted them to, and that they should not speak for what they believe in. I'm sorry but if I'm in a fight with one of my gay friends about religion, we both stand our ground (then we go shopping) but still, i felt like in this episode Kurt was the only one who was allowed to have an opinion, and everyone elses were shot to hell because it was something he didint want to hear. I also didnt like the comment he made about God's followers. I am a follower of Jesus Christ, and I have many gay friends, but i definatley dont mock them. Anyone who says they are a follower of Christ but is mocking a child of God, is not a true follwer of Christ. Love the sinner, hate the sin!
Maggie Smith Rank: New User
October 6th, 2010 4:22 PM
I hate to say, for me, it was an uneven episode. Chris Colfer's performance, both acting and singing, was, as usual, incredibly beautiful and moving, and Jane Lynch once again brought amazing depth to her character; but many other performances felt flat and uninspired. Although I can appreciate the difficulty of bringing the subject matter of religion and spirituality to a program such as this, I feel this is where the episode truly lost it's way. For me, it felt too preachy and focused on the "traditional and mainstream", while displaying only a thin veneer of diversity and tolerance. What we basically wound up with was the traditional Judeo-Christian juggernaut of (for the most part) normalcy, versus Atheism espoused by two troubled individuals who disavow the existence of "god" because of emotional pain and cruelty suffered at the hands of supposed believers. Really? That's it? That's all we get to represent and explore the amazingly complicated, beautiful, and diverse subject of re
rachel
October 6th, 2010 2:21 PM
This episode was so amazing & your right it didn't try to push any certain view point which was great. Kurt's solo was absolutely fabulous & emotional, i loved this whole episode!
raymond
October 6th, 2010 1:40 PM
The segment of Kurt singing "I want to hold your hand" intertwined with images of him and his father was absolutely spectacular -- one of the great TV moments.
Kimmmm
October 6th, 2010 11:33 AM
I cried soooooo hard at the end.
I was wondering when One of Us came by, and the timing was so perfect!
Daystar
October 6th, 2010 10:40 AM
I loved this episode. Insanely emotional, and even with the...somewhat stupid plotline from Finn, I like that it got serious with Sam's injury. Also, yeah, there were only about 3 religious views presented (Judaism, Christianity, and Atheism) I still feel they handled it fairly well. Was I sad there weren't any Wiccans? A bit. Did I expect any? Not really. :P They couldn't have covered ALL religions in America. Well, they could, but it would have been STUPID. Also some excellent song selections. "One of Us" and "Only the good die young" were my favorites of the episode, and I'm fairly sure "I wanna hold your hand" is going to be one of my favorites of the season.
Xandrew
October 6th, 2010 10:23 AM
The only religious beliefs presented were 2/3 of the abrahamic faiths and atheism.
Jenna
October 6th, 2010 8:56 AM
This is what I love about Glee, one week they can have a super fun episode like Britney/Brittany which I loved... and then the next week they can bring back the seriousness and real issues.
Finn- As ridiculous as it was to have Finn pray to a grilled cheese, I found it kind of cute and comical, also I really liked his version of "losing my religion"
Rachel- Papa Can You Hear Me, was brilliant!
Mercedes-I still can't believe she wasn't on American Idol, that voice is gorgeous! Loved the scenes at her church.
Puck- I'll always have a soft spot for his solos, but in reality I don't think this song really fit in this episode, but it true Puck fashion I feel that he was uncomfortable talking about God because he was Jewish.
Kurt- He was simply amazing in this episode for all the people who say he should win an emmy, totally on board with that and the scene at the end with his dads hand moving was very touching.
Sue- The scenes with her sister were soo sweet! I love them
Sez
October 6th, 2010 8:35 AM
Thank goodness, finally a decent episode this season! I really enjoyed this, it made me tear up a few times and the acting was top notch. Great song choices, not a weak one there really (can't say the same for the previous two episodes).
And as a side note little Kurt was perfectly cast, could've believed it was a real flashback he was so like him, well done casting crew!
Eline
October 6th, 2010 8:23 AM
I liked this episode. It gave us different views on faith. I myself do not believe, never have, so I wasn't really excited about an episode about faith. In the end I think they did it well.
The only thing that bothered me was that the others kept pushing Kurt to have faith. He asked them not to pray and then they showed up in the hospital room to sing/pray for his dad. I thought that was a bit disrespectful towards Kurt. I mean, yes, he should have respect for people who believe, but people who believe should have respect for the ones who do not believe too. Bickering with Kurt about if God excists is not a good thing to do when his dad is in coma.
Oh, and it's such a pity Chris Colfer doesn't swing my way (or that I'm not a man). After that episode, and that version of I Want to Hold Your Hand...I'm totally in love with him.
October 7th, 2010 7:58 PM
I can't believe that people are actually hating on Grilled Cheesus. Really? Underneath all the fun and stereotypical characters Glee has taken on some tough issues and started doing it straight out of the gate.
Whether you love or hate the fact that Kurt is a gay Atheist, or Finn was praying to a grilled cheese, let's face facts... The teen years are full of confusion regarding just about everything including religion and spirituality. Glee managed to tackle this grey area, bring in a few points of view, and gave us a lesson in tolerance.
Kudos to Glee for bringing us Grilled Cheesus. This is the only show in creation that could bring us a straight forward episode involving religion and spirituality and make us laugh, tear up, and remember our own teen choices (good or bad) without brow beating the audience.
October 7th, 2010 5:21 PM
@Brent - everyone has their own opinion on religion. Emma was just telling Finn that so that he doesn't start getting false ideas. She wasn't telling him to stop - just that not everything is controlled by god.
I am a christian and I think they handled this episode very well. I believe that people should stop 'dissing' the episode because they made Kurt an atheist!!! that was his opinion in life, and he believed that, even if god existed, he wasn't good. and he would've been angry at god for doing that to his dad! But in the end, he accepted the others prayers...or said that he should've, which is practically the same thing! But I think it's plain rude for you to dislike that. there are plenty of people in society who are atheist...and Kurt is the shows representation of them! Now stop moaning!!!
I loved the songs...but @Bex, they put in unpopular good songs because they can't just do songs everyone knows. Like I knew most of the songs in this episode, but in previous episodes I'
October 7th, 2010 2:05 PM
Wow, hated it! It was stupid and one-sided to the left! You lost me as a viewer!
October 7th, 2010 11:54 AM
I hated this episode to the point I may not continue watching Glee. I am fine with having a show which displays certain values I don't agree with. However, as a Christian I felt there was a very strong anti-God and discriminatory message the show made. Finn is one of the few with faith and it involves praying to a sandwich and disrespecting Jesus. He eventually loses his faith because the guidance counsellor who seems to have faith talks him out of any practical point to his faith. "God doesn't answer silly requests because he has more important things to do" was the gist of what she said. Sue's sister has faith, but she is mentally handicapped so she get's a free pass from her simple naive mind. Kurt just pissed me off. Came across like a whiny, bitchy religion bigot. There was no balance in the show. I didn't think it had to end with God answering the prayers, but at least try to be less obvious in it's clear disdain for faith and people of faith.
October 7th, 2010 11:32 AM
For me, the only really bad part of this episode was Finn's arc. Yeah some of the other characters were a tad annoying (with forcing their faith onto someone who was asking for them to lay off a little) but they were well written and it was all intended.
Finn however is just becoming more of an idiot as the show goes on. Fine he thinks he's seen Jesus on his grilled cheese (won't get into the stupid naming it 'Grilled Cheesus' which was fine for the episode title but not for him to keep referring to it as throughout the episode, if he really thought it was Jesus surely he'd show some respect and call him his proper name), but when thinking he REALLY grants wishes and they come true he doesn't use one for Burt (who he seems to care about and also with the knowledge of what it's like to lose a father you'd think he'd want Kurt to NOT experience that, being his friend)?!
That was just stupid. The guy is a total bonehead. I used to think he was just a loveable dipstick, but now I think
October 6th, 2010 11:29 PM
Apparently I am the only one who hated Kurt's Rendition of I want to Hold Your hand. I guess because I am really into the history of music and what not. I guess we are all entitled to our opinions. Mine being that the worst part of the episode was Kurt's singing that song, and by singing I mean ruining it.
October 6th, 2010 11:24 PM
I hated Kurt's rendition of the Beatles I want to hold your hand. Yeah great story and what not, I just didn't think that it was very well performed. I know all the songs are auto-tuned but this one was autotuned to freaking death, and it was more obvious in this one than in others. But other than that I liked it.
October 6th, 2010 10:34 PM
I like what one of the posters said here, I do not like that they make people who don't believe in God because they suffered some kind of adversity in life.
I have a gay daughter and I do not blame God when she suffers discrimination, I blame the small-minded people. There isnt a God anywhere in any religion doesnt want His/Her subject to be happy.
If you do not believe in God or a power high above, fair enough, but do so because you think so not because you cannot get what you want (in Sue's case, her sister to be normal, in Kurt's case, not to be put down by non-gay supporters).
October 6th, 2010 10:32 PM
wow, this was a bad episode actaull7
Rank: Recurring Character
October 6th, 2010 7:06 PM
I LOVED this episode! I am an atheist but I would never do what Kurt or Sue did, I would appreciate the prayers, and although I think religion is just another fairytale or myth, it's hard to say I wouldn't turn to prayer in a moment like that..that being said, I loved the episode and I can't believe how they found a such a perfect little Kurt, he's Chris's clone!
October 6th, 2010 7:01 PM
Further to my comment, I've just started reading all of your comments and ditto to what Maggie Smith said. As Artie would say, Preach.
Also, I just realised, did Artie have ANY lines today?
October 6th, 2010 6:57 PM
For me this episode was a bit hit and miss. Firstly I only recognised a few of the songs and Losing My Religion was the only one I really knew, so on the basis of music it was a bit poor.
Secondly, I felt that the option of not believing in God was frowned upon, shunted to the side and only really developed in the last part of the episode. Tina's reaction to Kurt not believing in God was fairly ridiculous, I know Glee is set in America, but come on, there has to be some atheists around somewhere? Atheists in the episode were depicted as people having a "lack" of faith, or a "lack" of belief and Mercedes' preach about people needing something to hold on to was purely subjective on her part. I'm glad Kurt didn't have some trite revelation about God at the end but I'm disappointed that the only atheists that were depicted were atheists because they suffered some sort of tragedy in their lives. What I was waiting for someone to say, ok you can believe in God and you can not believe
October 6th, 2010 5:42 PM
A man struggling with his faith while needing to honor his father by using the most moving version of a Beatles song that I have ever heard, wow!
October 6th, 2010 5:35 PM
Okay so i understand trying to get everyones point of view in a 45 minute segment...so i will give Glee people props for that one. But in the end I felt like the end resolution was pretty much everyone beliving what Kurt wanted them to, and that they should not speak for what they believe in. I'm sorry but if I'm in a fight with one of my gay friends about religion, we both stand our ground (then we go shopping) but still, i felt like in this episode Kurt was the only one who was allowed to have an opinion, and everyone elses were shot to hell because it was something he didint want to hear. I also didnt like the comment he made about God's followers. I am a follower of Jesus Christ, and I have many gay friends, but i definatley dont mock them. Anyone who says they are a follower of Christ but is mocking a child of God, is not a true follwer of Christ. Love the sinner, hate the sin!
Rank: New User
October 6th, 2010 4:22 PM
I hate to say, for me, it was an uneven episode. Chris Colfer's performance, both acting and singing, was, as usual, incredibly beautiful and moving, and Jane Lynch once again brought amazing depth to her character; but many other performances felt flat and uninspired. Although I can appreciate the difficulty of bringing the subject matter of religion and spirituality to a program such as this, I feel this is where the episode truly lost it's way. For me, it felt too preachy and focused on the "traditional and mainstream", while displaying only a thin veneer of diversity and tolerance. What we basically wound up with was the traditional Judeo-Christian juggernaut of (for the most part) normalcy, versus Atheism espoused by two troubled individuals who disavow the existence of "god" because of emotional pain and cruelty suffered at the hands of supposed believers. Really? That's it? That's all we get to represent and explore the amazingly complicated, beautiful, and diverse subject of re
October 6th, 2010 2:21 PM
This episode was so amazing & your right it didn't try to push any certain view point which was great. Kurt's solo was absolutely fabulous & emotional, i loved this whole episode!
October 6th, 2010 1:40 PM
The segment of Kurt singing "I want to hold your hand" intertwined with images of him and his father was absolutely spectacular -- one of the great TV moments.
October 6th, 2010 11:33 AM
I cried soooooo hard at the end.
I was wondering when One of Us came by, and the timing was so perfect!
October 6th, 2010 10:40 AM
I loved this episode. Insanely emotional, and even with the...somewhat stupid plotline from Finn, I like that it got serious with Sam's injury. Also, yeah, there were only about 3 religious views presented (Judaism, Christianity, and Atheism) I still feel they handled it fairly well. Was I sad there weren't any Wiccans? A bit. Did I expect any? Not really. :P They couldn't have covered ALL religions in America. Well, they could, but it would have been STUPID. Also some excellent song selections. "One of Us" and "Only the good die young" were my favorites of the episode, and I'm fairly sure "I wanna hold your hand" is going to be one of my favorites of the season.
October 6th, 2010 10:23 AM
The only religious beliefs presented were 2/3 of the abrahamic faiths and atheism.
October 6th, 2010 8:56 AM
This is what I love about Glee, one week they can have a super fun episode like Britney/Brittany which I loved... and then the next week they can bring back the seriousness and real issues.
Finn- As ridiculous as it was to have Finn pray to a grilled cheese, I found it kind of cute and comical, also I really liked his version of "losing my religion"
Rachel- Papa Can You Hear Me, was brilliant!
Mercedes-I still can't believe she wasn't on American Idol, that voice is gorgeous! Loved the scenes at her church.
Puck- I'll always have a soft spot for his solos, but in reality I don't think this song really fit in this episode, but it true Puck fashion I feel that he was uncomfortable talking about God because he was Jewish.
Kurt- He was simply amazing in this episode for all the people who say he should win an emmy, totally on board with that and the scene at the end with his dads hand moving was very touching.
Sue- The scenes with her sister were soo sweet! I love them
October 6th, 2010 8:35 AM
Thank goodness, finally a decent episode this season! I really enjoyed this, it made me tear up a few times and the acting was top notch. Great song choices, not a weak one there really (can't say the same for the previous two episodes).
And as a side note little Kurt was perfectly cast, could've believed it was a real flashback he was so like him, well done casting crew!
October 6th, 2010 8:23 AM
I liked this episode. It gave us different views on faith. I myself do not believe, never have, so I wasn't really excited about an episode about faith. In the end I think they did it well.
The only thing that bothered me was that the others kept pushing Kurt to have faith. He asked them not to pray and then they showed up in the hospital room to sing/pray for his dad. I thought that was a bit disrespectful towards Kurt. I mean, yes, he should have respect for people who believe, but people who believe should have respect for the ones who do not believe too. Bickering with Kurt about if God excists is not a good thing to do when his dad is in coma.
Rank: Guest Star
October 6th, 2010 7:06 AM
Oh, and it's such a pity Chris Colfer doesn't swing my way (or that I'm not a man). After that episode, and that version of I Want to Hold Your Hand...I'm totally in love with him.
Rank: Guest Star
October 6th, 2010 7:04 AM
What a brilliant episode.
It had everything I love about Glee.
And Mercedes version of Bridge Over Trouble Waters, and Rachel's song - were brilliant.
I love the fact that they didn't have a Full House ending and all hold hands and pray.
5/5. After last week, this has restored my faith in Glee (no pun intended).