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My best guess is "Kristina Fay" when Jane meets Red John and he is wearing a mask, his voice sounds a lot like a womans voice, in another episode when she hears the name of a suspect she tells them that she has talked to her (or him I don´t remember) and tells them that she is dead, 10 mins later the find her dead.... how in Gods good earth could she know that??? she has to be either Red John (which would be trully interesting) or an accomplice, but she is involved in some way.
If you need further proof of the culprit in the killing of Todd Johnson, a R.J. underling, watch for Rigsby to be on the carpet.Its true that Grace plays her cards well, but the picture of Yeoman, the actor who plays Rigsby, has been removed from this fan cite, Why? Is he past tense in the future, back to Wales for a different career change. Who knows, but since Baker has been signed on to play Jane for 4 more years (if the show lasts that long) I hope they find R.J., he disposes of him and goes on with his life.
Has anyone considered Grace as a possible RJ accomplice? She's very secretive about her past. I see it especially in the first episode when she meets Jane for the first time. There are other scenes throughout the current seasons that make me wonder, like when she tells Wayne, "I know who I am." And when she tells that hypnotist guy that she spent a year with Patrick Jane and he'll have to try a lot harder to get inside her head... Just a thought.
Hmm... interesting. But somehow, I don't think Minelli is Red John. I have no idea why, but I just have the feeling he's not. But as for La Roche, I don't think there is any doubt that he had something to do with RJ. I mean, come on! Jane didn't even tell *Lisbon* about the 'Tiger, Tiger' quote, so how the hell did La Roche know about it?? Unless he reads minds better than Jane, La Roche is connected to RJ.
On a slightly different note, I am suspicious of both Ellis Mars and Kristina Frye.
Mars just seems... wrong. His whole body language screams 'I'm friends with a serial killer!' (If body language could scream such things, haha.)
I don't think we have actually *met* Red John yet (apart from in the mask), but I think RJ has placed people very carefully all around Jane. I think there are a few re-occurring characters who are actually RJ's people. (But not Lisbon, Van Pelt, Cho, Rigsby, or Hightower. I believe these are the good guys. :) )
As for Kristina Frye... I just do
I agreed with Minelli as RJ. He assigned the RJ's case exactly to a group in which the secretary was a RJ freak. Too much of a coincidence? When Jared Refrew called Jane at CBI from the prostitute's phone, Minelli was there. Being one of the first people to know the location, higher the odds of having the guy killed. He was the one who tipped the team about the Taglafierro thing at the "His Red Right Hand" episode. They might be just throwing false bones to us, but... Anyway, Gregory Itzin is a hell of an actor, I'd love to see him as RJ.
I've gone back and re-watched all the Season 1 and Season 2 episodes on DVD, as I promised. Virgil cannot be Red John, unless the writers contort the story line to fit some as-yet-undreamed-of fantasy on their part. He really was sincere in his frustration at the politics necessary to do his job. As Greta says, it is not logical for him to transfer the case to Bosco and staff, and then kill them off to give it back to Lisbon and her crew. When Red John killed Bosco's secretary, the cops in the corridor there would have recognized him. They didn't. I have no way to review the previous episodes for this year, but the person who killed the students and picked up Jane's chair in the end of the previous season was not the hugely rotund and affectless man playing the intrusive cop in the most recent investigation. That figure cannot be hidden. I don't believe we have seen Red John yet.
You probably all think I'm mad but I think red john is definitely Ellis mars. Just everything about him was wrong. The mimicking of Jane was meaningful and knowledgeable. The body's positioning to catch Jane's eye. The grasping of control at the end from Jane back to RJ. The clue left in Mexico HE IS MAR. Maybe an unfinished HE IS MARS?? Plus the name Ellis mars is an anagram of las smiler. This translated from Spanish to English is, the smiler. RJ'S MO is the smiley face. Surly too much to be a coincidence?
Minelli is certainly not RJ as Greta mentioned, why would he be so cruel as to do that. RJ is someone that we haven;t seen except in Red Sky in the Morning and at then end of the Bosco episode when he kills Rebeccah, however, this guy could have been working for RJ. One can only suppose a group of men and women within the police hierarchy who are assuming vigilante postues and/or acts of redemption. Let the writers create and finesse their way into that maze.
I have a huge problem with Minelli being Red John. Why would Minelli assign the Red John case to Bosco and then kill Bosco and his team just so that Jane could have the case back?
I have a question, has anyone else notices that on this page showing the cast of the mentalist, Owain Yeoman is not included. Is this a tip that next year he will be the one found guilty of murdering Tom? Or has this always been the case.
Now you've got my head spinning. Gregory Itzin is wonderful. So good to see him back. I hope he is Red John because that would be too much fun. He's so good at playing evil. LaRoche was very strange. Hard to read him. Don't know if he's just a a strange red herring or connected to Red John. I think this show has us all paranoid with conspiracy theories. I love it.
Plus, Lisbon was just too darn cute when she talked about Santa. Other than that it felt like she and the team were barely a part of this episode. It felt very focused on Jane.
Jane really trusts Virgil, but LaRoche is certainly viable as the leader of this Red John clan. The mispronunciation to resemble LeRouge was a touch by Jane to infer the Red John connection with this nystagmus eyed annoying investigator. I thought it was funny that Jane tried to hide from him in Lisbon's office. Even drunk, he could foil any attempt to compromise himself. One small interesting bit is how he would allow himself these small jolts of electric impulses after the cattle prod incident.
I have never thought Virgil was Red John; I have never thought Red John was anyone we have already seen. I figured this would be like Profiler -- the "Jack" character on there was introduced near the end of the run of the main character's contract, when they needed to wind up her story. You have all intrigued me; I shall now go re-watch all the episodes on DVD, and see if I can pick up any of these hints you have seen.
La Roche is definitely connected to Red John, or at least Jane suspects him (I think).
The evidence adds up:
-Jane lies to him about why he believed cop killer (blanking on the name) wanted to see him. It was most likely to talk about Red John.
-Jane does not mention the "Tiger, Tiger" comment, which would connect to Red John.
-Jane only does the interview when he's drunk, when others would believe his ability to lie would be largely compromised. This works in his favor.
-LaRoche seemed interested in Jane not as a suspect, but as far as what the cop killer wanted to tell him. This would seem to be because LaRoche's on orders from Red John to see if Jane knows about the connection of the cop killer to Red John.
I could not miss the way Jane mispronounces Mr. La Roche's name: What's your secret, Mr La Roosh? If a native English speaker was to pronounce 'Le Rouge' (John Le Rouge is the French version of Red John) it would be really difficult to make the difference with the pronounciation of 'La Roosh'. As a French fan of The Mentalist, it really jumped out at me! Unless The Mentalist got me paranoid too, I believe the link between La Roche and Red John is more than a mere connection. I consider it reasonable to think that Red John is a group of people gathered by a charismatic leader (Jane's equivalent in terms of intelligence, observation, knowledge). Could Mr. La Roche be such a person? I am obviously eager to see the evolution of the Jane/La Roche 's relation.
Minelli has always been my pick too but I second guess it when it seems too obvious. But then I think it has to be someone with ties to the CBI because Red John seems to know so much and have such access. Like being able to set a man on fire in a holding cell? I thought maybe I was wrong but then they brought him back for this episode and it got me thinking down those lines again. I wonder when the show will let us in on Red John's identity.
I loved that Minelli was back even for such a short time. I would have loved if he'd had any scenes with Lisbon though since I always liked their relationship but I guess that wasn't possible since Jane meet with Minelli in secret because he can't risk that Lisbon finfs out what he knows about RJ.
I don't think Minelli is Red John, I know a lot of people do but I think he's just a big red herring. I just wished he would come back as a regular character cause I really miss him but as far as I know Gregory Itzin has other work to do next year.
Agree about Lisbon's line "It crushed my heart like a cigarette"and the way she looked at the dancing Santa. Oh Lisbon, I just love you! The writers do get her some great oneliners again.
La Roche is intresting and intriguing but I also doubt he's connected to RJ. I think that would be very weak from the writers.
This was by far a brilliant exercise in restraint and mania. First, we expect another one of those Xmas boring sentimentalism and we get anything but. Lisbon was lovelier than usual and Jane of course unscrutable. His using his bio-feedback powers was a first I think and well done. Baker kept us guessing and very well indeed. Twists and turns in the plot is so invigorating and seeing Jane inebriated quite funny, especially the hangover the next day on the beach. We will see more of Virgil next year, which is interesting since he has retired and can't really be a part of any investigation except as a consultant. Loved it, keep up the good scripts.
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