Game of Thrones Round Table: "The Wolf and the Lion"

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With a show as epic as Game of Thrones, there's just no way we can leave you with just one critic's review.  That's where our Round Table panelists step in!

During this week's episode, "The Wolf and the Lion," there was plenty to discuss between deadly jousts, epic sword fights, and, of course, creepy breast feeding.  So without further ado, let's go table!

1. Favorite Game of Thrones quote from the episode?

Carissa P: "My father is Hand of the King. I am not a boy, I am Arya Stark of Winterfell. And if you lay a hand on me my father will have both of your heads on spikes. Now, are you going to let me by, or do I have to smack you on the ear to help you with your hearing?"

Dan F: "You wanna know the horrible truth? I can't even remember what she looked like. I only know she was the one thing I ever wanted. Someone took her away from me, and seven kingdoms couldn't fill the hole she left behind."  How do you not absolutely sympathize for the king after that?

Jim G: Catelyn: "I am not a murderer, Lannister."
Tyrion: "Neither am I! I had nothing to do with the attempt on your son's life....What sort of an imbecile arms an assassin with his own blade?"
Catelyn: "Gag him!"
Tyrion: "Why? Am I starting to make sense?"

Eric H: Again, we can probably just rename this question to my favorite Tyrion Lannister quote.  This week?  At being accused of the death of Lord Aryn, The Hand of the King:  "Oh, did I kill him, too?!  I've been a very busy man."

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2. Book one readers: making Renly gay and openly showing his relationship with Ser Loras!?  DISCUSS!

Carissa P: I don't really care one way or the other, but I though it ironic that he complained of the others questioning his manhood as he was having all the hair shaved off of his body. Maybe that's why I like my men with a hairy chest; I have a better chance of hitting the right pool of available significant others.

Jim G: I don't know if I just didn't pick up on Renly being gay in the book. I am OK with it as it fits the characters. But it makes me wonder how close to the books they will follow for these characters..

Eric H: After only completing the first book, I never picked up on Renly being gay, nor his sexual relationship with Ser Loras.  Now that I know about it, their actions later on in the book do seem to make more sense.  I'm actually really liking the different direction the show is taking.  They seem to keep the results the same, just different means and justifications...

3. After her new scene with the King, Queen Cersei is certainly being painted much nicer.  Any sympathy for the conniving Queen and her 17 year loveless marriage?

Carissa P: Did you notice during their talk, they again mentioned that things started going downhill when she lost their first child? I'm going up and down with her. Sometimes I want to smack her, and others I really do feel sorry for her. With all the inbreeding going on in the families, it's really difficult to blame any of them for their strange behavior. There's a reason we don't marry our own blood in the US, it appears. Not just for moral reasons, but for genetic moreso.

Dan F: I had to be told by a book reader that Cersei was hated.  I have no problems with her so far, and at time really enjoy her, but that may be biased by my Lena Headey love.

Jim G: They are making her much more sympathetic than the book. I like the softness given Lena's portrayal of her.

Eric H: Yeah, this is insane!  Maybe it's that it's Lena Headey's portrayal, or the addition of all these scenes, but I'm starting to grow to like Cersei.  And that's incredible given my raw hatred for her when reading the book.  Have I mentioned how amazing this adaptation is?

4. Did you miss Viserys and Dany this week?  What do you think the last of the dragons were up to?

Carissa P: No, I think there was enough going on that I didn't miss them. Since so much of the action occurred at the mere thought of them, I was satisfied that they had not been forgotten. I also fear that a huge war will be.

Jim G: I am sure Viserys was whining about wanting his army to go get his crown back. Dany was probably snacking for the baby..

Dan F: Not at all.  They are probably my least favorite aspect of the show at this point.  I did, however, miss Jon Snow and The Wall.

Eric H: Wow, good call, Dan.  I completely didn't notice one of my favorite character's glaring absence.  I'm just glad none of you complained about a lack of dire wolves :)  Personally?  I miss the bright colors of Viserys and Dany's world.  Much like Jim, I believe Viserys was busy getting sized for his "Golden Crown."  Dany, however, was spending too much time with her dragon eggs and handmaids to snack.

5. So much nudity!  Ser Loras shaving/pleasuring Renly, Theon's prostitue, Littlefinger's brothel and Robert suckling from Lysa's teet.  Hot? Gratuitous? Creepy?  Just right?

Dan F: It is all a little much, but none more than the 12 year old kid on his mom's breast.  Just disturbing.  The shaving was weird but harmless.  Thus far Game of Thrones has three times the amount of nudity and sex as the critically dubbed "The Pornias" on Showtime.

Carissa P:  Shaving was just odd, I hope Roz spends as much time bathing as she does pleasuring the lords, and Robert and Lysa really brought the insanity out into the open. It was beyond creepy. I can't even imagine getting the kid to play the part. Part of me hopes it was a stunt boob.  Just yuck all around.

Jim G: While the scene with Robert and Lysa was in the book, it was just creepy on the screen. Of course, Roz (Theon's prostitute) managing to put Theon in his place while naked was well done.

Eric H: Stunt boob or not, book accuracy or not, watching a twelve year old breast feed was creepy by any account!  Now brothels nudity could never be considered gratuitous in Game of Thrones.  Now the shaving, I'm not even going to comment on, but I will say they probably could have cut out the sucking noises and ended the scene with Ser Loras going down.  I think we all knew the next step..

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Game of Thrones Season 1 Episode 5 Quotes

King Robert: You heard The Hand. Go find the breast plate stretcher. Now!
Ned: The breast plate stretcher?
King Robert: How long before he figures it out.
Ned: Maybe you should have one invented.

Ned: You're too fat for your armor.
King Robert: Fat? Fat is it? Is that how you speak to your King?