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Castle Round Table: "Heroes & Villains"

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Welcome to the latest edition of the Castle Round Table!

This week, TV Fanatic writers Christine Orlando, Chandel Charles, Christine Morrison and Jim Garner bring their analyzing game to "Heroes & Villains," picking apart various aspects of the episode and debating various topics. Won't you join them?

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What was your favorite scene?
Christine: When Castle went to Beckett's apartment. I love seeing these two outside of work. His awkward look when she opened the door made me wonder what he thought she was doing... because I don't believe he was thinking yoga. But the best part was Kate's smile when she saw he was there. It made my night.

Chandel: The end when Castle and Beckett are watching Hastings and her man friend enter the elevator and Castle muses about how similar their relationships are. Then the two make out in the elevator and Beckett gives this little smile like she might have entertained the thought of that being her and Castle and he asks about coffee. It was really sweet.

Courtney: Definitely going with Castle using the board to post up his comics and trace where the Lone Vengeance's costume came from. He was so on board, even Beckett was following. Gates? Not so much. It was pure and simple fun.

Jim: As a comic geek myself, I have to go with Castle's break down of how Lone Vengence has made up his costume. I suspect that his breakdown is exactly how the writers came up with it for real.

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Do you think Alexis following Ashley to school and wanting to take his classes is out of character? As a parent, did Castle says enough about it?
Christine: No. She's been through a lot that could cause her to cling to Ashley more now than ever. Plus, I had a good friend who was just as smart as Alexis but did the same thing, following her boyfriend to college and even sharing his major. They had broken up by the end of freshman year. I liked Castle's response. It was questioning but not preachy but I'd like to see him put his foot down about them living together. To me, that's just taking things a step too far.

Chandel: I think Alexis is out of character for sure. I mean, I get that she maybe feels a little rejected because her father has been investing a lot in Beckett, but Alexis completely overreacted when Castle tried to explain why she should be taking time to explore her own passions. I really don't understand how we went from that to moving in with Ashley. That really threw me for a loop. It's like they want to take Alexis in another direction, but aren't sure how to get her there.

Courtney: It's hard to remember that she is just a senior in high school, especially since she has been acting like she is 50 from the beginning of the series. I don't think it is out of character for a teenager, she wants to be with her boyfriend. Is it out of her character? Yeah, a little. This is someone who always wants to do the right thing, not just someone else's idea of the right thing. Castle handled it the right way, explained that she needs to make choices, not just use Ashley's.

Jim: While I don't think her wanting to spend that much time with Ashley was out of character, her apathy toward her own future was absolutely out of character. As Castle said, Alexis has always been serious; she would have had an end-game for the classes. Castle said enough, as pointed out by Beckett, pushing too hard would just make her rebel that much more.

Fans seem torn over Victoria "Iron" Gates. Do you like what she brings to the precinct or would you prefer her gone?
Christine: I like that she keeps everyone a little off balance. Everyone gets a boss like this sooner or later. If you make her look good, she's in your corner. If not, watch out. Beckett's no longer the golden child she was with Montgomery and Castle's trying to justify his worth. I think it makes things more interesting at the precinct.

Chandel: I'm not sure how I feel about her yet. She brings a certain tension, but I'm not clear on her motives or how I feel about her personality. She's kind of an enigma. So I just think I need a little bit more time to see what she adds to the precinct.

Courtney: She's going to be by-the-book and not bending over to help out Castle and Beckett. It may not be ideal situation, but it gives the two a new challenge they haven't yet faced. As of now, I'm good with Gates.

Jim: Honestly, she's as sour as day old lemons! The fact that she want's to be called "Sir" instead of "Ma'am" bugs the ever living snot out of me! Having come from a military background, I can say: even high ranking female Generals want to be called "Ma'am." GAH!! Begone foul beast!

Beckett tells Hastings, “You’re a good cop and you have somebody who cares about you. Don’t be so driven by your past that you throw away your future.”  Do you think Beckett will be able to take her own advice?
Christine: It seemed as though Beckett caught the similarities to her own life. I'm hoping she starts to come to terms with things by mid-season and realizes her future is standing right next to her.

Chandel: Interestingly enough, I think eventually she may be able to do so. But it may take solving her mother's case. I think the pace of her pursuit will decrease until she herself realizes this point. Yet I think this understanding can't truly be realized until she can see who she is without her mother's case running in the background of her mind. It was a great line and great job by the writers.

Courtney: She will... eventually. She is going to wrestle with her past a little more before she can get past it and move on. Hopefully into the arms of the sexy Nathan Fillion.

Jim: Sadly for the fans, not any time soon. I do hope that she and Hastings visit again, I think Kate needs that mirror to help get her to the point she can let down the walls and let some hunky writer in.

So Beckett sees herself as Elektra and Castle as Batman. Who is your favorite superhero?
Christine: The Wonder Twins. I know it's goofy but my husband and I occasionally reference them when we figure something out together.

Chandel: I did not grow up in the age of Marvel characters with which I can identify. But if I had to really choose one, it would be Kate Beckett. Marvel character or not, she is a super hero to me, kryptonite and all.

Courtney: Emma Frost.

Jim: I have always been a Spiderman fan. After all he is mild mannered and honorable. Right, Rick?

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--- I agree with Christine about a favorite scene. I loved that Castle showed up at Kate's apartment all excited and Kate welcomed him in with a smile. I thought it really illustrated the new level of comfort and familiarity between them and I hope we see him there a lot more this season. --- On the surface, I think Alexis was out of character in planning on taking all of the same classes as Ashley. However, I think the writers did a good job of setting up that scene in the beginning of the show. She was REALLY being the twitterpated schoolgirl when she and Ashley were claiming that the other one should hang up first and it left me with the feeling that Alexis has gone off the deep end a bit since Ashley is gone now. She's totally preoccupied with wanting to be with him and in that frame of mind, I can see her blindly thinking she'd take all of the same classes. I was so happy that Castle called her on it and I also liked that he called her "Alexis" instead of "Sweetie" or "Pumpkin" in the scene. It gave him more credibility as an authority figure. --- I'm liking Gates as an interesting character for everyone to have to play off of. While she's certainly different than Montgomery, I don't think she's been over the top. She's come into a new situation and wants to establish herself. I'm willing to give her character time to develop and it will be interesting to learn something of her personal story too. She already made a huge leap in this episode when she broke with her by-the-book ways and agreed to let Hastings off the hook. Even if it was to keep her unit from looking bad, it still was breaking a whole lot of rules. --- I think Kate will eventually realize that she can start a relationship with Castle before her mother's case is solved. It'll be a combination of her therapy and a pretty strong desire for him that she'll get tired of denying. I'm not talking a commitment like marriage, but at least a dating relationship. --- I've never been a superhero follower so I've got nothing on this one.

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Gates is terrible. Make her go away writers.

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Favorite scene! Why the elevator scene of course.The writer and his Muse. Still wondering why Castle ran when he loves Kate and the moment he dreams about is happening right before his eyes. Kate seemed ok with it. Alexis is not out of character at all.She is a hormonal teen girl with hot pants that thinks she is in love. Simple enough.She is following her first true love. She will come running home at semester heartbroken but she won't be a girl anymore.She'll be a woman. Gates....jury still out.She will give Castle some room simply because she respects his connections.She won't want to be the one to rock the boat since Bob laid it all down for her. Beckett and Hastings....lightbulb moment??? Maybe. She knows Rick loves her and she will eventually have to deal with it.I see that coming, along with a blonde realestate broker in the near future. Royce told Beckett those exact words didn't he? I don't thimk Kate will want to someday wonder "if only" Superman...the only real super hero.

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I thought I saw a twinkle in Alexis's eye when she mentioned moving in with Ashley. I wonder if it was her tormenting her dad. I know my own kids have said things just to see my reaction.

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-Favorite scene - I agree with Chandel. The end with them watching the other couple kiss in the elevator was the best. Kate's expression made me think she was considering doing the same thing. -Alexis is a teenage girl and even the best of them can be irrational at times, especially when it comes to love. -I also don't get the deal with being called Sir instead of Ma'am. Does she feel one is more powerful than the other? As much as I dislike Gates I like that she makes the rest of the team pull together even closer. -Please let Kate realize that Castle is her future this season and do something about it. I don't know how much stalling I can take. -I'm with Castle. I've always been a Batman fan. The Bat cave was very cool.

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I am SO GLAD I'm not the only one bothered by Gates wanting to be called "sir". That drives me nuts! What's so degrading about "ma'am" that she's too good for it?! Ugh! I miss Montgomery!!! She could have at least given Castle a little bit of credit because they wouldn't have come CLOSE to solving the case without him. How many times did they get the wrong guy? Sheesh! I think this SIR needs to go run a boot camp with the 80's J. Jonah Jameson and leave my favorite team alone!! :)

Castle Season 4 Episode 2 Quotes

If you hold on to tight, you will just push her away.

Beckett

Castle: I seem to remember asking you to make me an ET costume and you told me you didn't know how to sew.
Martha: Details. Besides, you were 32 at the time.

Castle Season 4 Episode 2 Music

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