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Jane: This is Red John. Lisbon: How can you tell? Jane: Because when it's him I can feel it.
September 26th, 2011 8:54 AM
I have loved this show from the beginning. It has made me more critical of other police dramas, always looking for the subtle clue. But this garbage of dangling this Red John carrot in front of my face has really irked me. Are the writers really this desperate for ideas that we have to have this one character that can't be stopped, who is a ruthless killer, and seems to have an entire army of minions willing to die for him?! This is a ridiculous insult. When the season ended with PJ finally taking care of RJ, I felt like we could finally move on with a fresh storyline, but now we are back to more of the same. This is very simiilar to 8 years of waiting for Ted to finally "meet your mother". When it happens, yawn, no one will still be interested.
September 25th, 2011 6:46 PM
After reading all of these wonderful, thought out comments,
there isn't much left for me to add. I'm still steaming about
the season opener. I, like many of you, feel used.
September 25th, 2011 6:05 PM
But what about the episode where the secretary kills just about everybody in CBI and then is killed while in custody by Red John? Wouldn't surveillance tape show who it was? It was interesting that no one remaining in CBI investigated this murder and the matter was just dropped after she was killed. Wouldn't that also rule out Jane being Red John? Since everybody seems to be in a dream-like state about Red John recently and in that episode, how about this for a series ending? Jane waits up bed with Lisbon (his wife) having dreamed the whole thing. He really owns a B&B in Vermont!Also, parallels to Life on Mars. I do not think the writers have decided what to do yet. More focus groups are needed for them to decide. And they may change writers anyway, which also affects storyline. It's too soon to tell anything. But if the writers are checking in, please get rid of Red John.Jane is more fun without him.
September 25th, 2011 5:13 PM
My husband and I had one comment after this plot-hole-filled mess last night:
Jumped the Shark
The RJ arc is the least interesting part of this show. The best part is when Patrick is a delightful, friendly, crime solving mentalist. Just don't like this dark storyline because it's boring and predictable in the sense that it will Always Be The Last Person You Suspect. Of COURSE RJ is going to turn out to be PJ. What could be more "shocking?" by that point I will have stopped watching though.
September 25th, 2011 4:34 PM
I gave up on the show after this episode. The long drawn out RJ arc and all the cop outs taken with this opener make it easy to just forget it exists.
September 25th, 2011 12:44 PM
Lee
I am interested in your PJ being RJ theory...Kind of like the Prisoner series where Number 1 turned out to be Number 6..My theory that I still believe in , is that Kristina Frye is Red John...The main motive would be that she is furious at Patrick for always making a mockery of psychics and the profession itself and maybe also for being weirdly attracted or in love with him. I never bought into the kidnapping of Kristina by RJ and remember when we heard RJ talk he sounded feminine....Mark my words she will be back
September 25th, 2011 12:25 PM
Con,
I know it can happen, but it just seems ,,stupid" that its happening right now. Its TV, I know, but thats just too easy.
Hm it just feels like Jane is changing and I dont like it. Yeah he must have been evil - thats true, didnt think about that ;) But it seems easy again. I mean he killed someone, evil or not. And it just looks like no one really cares. Thats just i dont know - wrong.
Jane should start thinking about that, people who kill someone,cause that person was evil - we all understand that, but in the end he wasnt better ( ok he ,,just" shot him and didnt do all the really bad stuff - still)
I just hope we see some talking about that in the next episode! If he doesnt care about shooting someone - he changed big time
Rank: Regular Character
September 24th, 2011 11:58 PM
Jane did say he felt guilty.
Rank: Recurring Character
September 24th, 2011 8:30 PM
In an off-season interview linked to from some TV-fanatic article, Simon Baker talked about how really neat and original he and the producer-show creator thought it was that the lead of their show would be a murderer! That's Hollywood, I guess. I don't know what to make of it. I don't think it's necessary because I much prefer the Patrick Jane who ducks behind Lisbon when the bullets fly. But, anyhow, I kind of think how this has been resolved is just proof that Baker and Heller think having a murderer for a star is great.
But you know, not only did that Casey girl get off, and OJ, and no one will ever be charged for killing Jon Bonet Ramsey, but Lizzie Borden got off over a hundred years ago (and that was after she kept changing her testimony in the preliminary hearing which was thrown out because they didn't tell her she was a suspect and in spite of her being caught by several witnesses ripping up and burning in the stove a dress that was all brown smudged and stained that sh
September 24th, 2011 7:11 PM
The writers on this show are stealing from The Profiler and The X-Files. Apparently, there will be intermittent shows in which more clues about Red John emerge. But does this villain make any sense? Red John is a serial killer who has enlisted law enforcement officials in his "conspiracy" to do what?
There was little in the way of follow-up from last season's climax. Everyone seems to have some type of amnesia and is walking around focused on proving that Jane killed Red John, but not tying in the other stuff that happened.
Jane is now a cold blooded killer, albeit he thought he was killing Red John.
And people he works who are in law enforcement with accept that!? This murder dictates any future plot-line. He will not get away with murder twice, which means that 1) somebody else will have to kill Red John, 2) Jane will kill in self-defense, 3) Jane will kill Red John and go to prison, or 4) he will have more sense and kill Red John without witnesses in private like Magnum did to t
September 24th, 2011 5:47 PM
I’m not sure why so many of you are upset that the Red John story continues. I think it needs to. I loved the scene where the bag of money was handed over to Lisbon too, and the blueberry muffin lines. These little scenes/details are what make the show fantastic for me. Also, I don’t agree that Jane has become a heartless murderer. The scene where he shot RJ/Carter was gut-wrenching for me and I think most of us felt his emotions and justifications in doing so. Jane has since been able to analyze the whole scenario and no doubt sees the grand picture. I love his character, and what’s so wrong with Lisbon being kind to him? The whole unit has been through so much and has seen what RJ is capable of, so I was quite happy to see her softer side. Finally – sure there were some flaws in the episode, but that’s a given with every show. I think Heller covered as much as he could in one episode. Love this show!
September 24th, 2011 5:29 PM
Tamara,
It's called jury nullification. It DOES happen in real life. Rarely yes, but it CAN happen, so no - it isn't stupid.
Also, yes TC did have to be another evil guy - he was working for Red John afterall. When working for a serial killer you kinda need to have that in you.
Jane feeling guilty? Well, Jane has shown an almost right wing attitude towards criminals/killers in the past. Such as the time he refused to care about the murder of an ex con, one who had been charged with murder himself (3x04 I believe.) I think Jane is safe in the knowledge that not only was the man he killed evil, but he couldn't have done anything about it. He was duped. At the time he did, as he said, what he had to, as he believed it was Red John and for Jane that meeting can only ever result in RJ's death.
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September 24th, 2011 3:03 PM
I just don't understand Jane's acquittal thing.The jury seem to have made an arbitrary verdict. Jane's killing "Red John" tends to be a lynching. Jane shall be punished for manslaughtering even when he is the victim of the Red John's crime. After all, lynching Red John is one thing and being victiom of RJ's crime is another.
September 24th, 2011 1:28 PM
Bruno Heller is playing with all of us. Red John will not be revealed until the series finale. He once stated that "Red John is what defines Patrick Jane". Watch the wonderful Masterpiece Mystery: Jekyll. It helps explain how Patrick Jane and Red John can be the same person, only Jane doesn't know it. In the last season finale Jane was convinced he could get one step ahead of Red John, but as we saw in this season premiere, Red John is always one step ahead of Patrick Jane. Easy to do when he knows what he's thinking, because he is the same person! Even Jane says when talking about Carter and psychopaths "inserting themselves into the investigation" of the missing girl, he reminds us how RJ knows what CBI is up to (other than his mole(s)). And Jane does not EVER show compassion, he is at his core an evil genius. Use that filter while watching the next few shows - RJ is PJ. It only makes the show better.
September 24th, 2011 12:28 PM
I think it was a good episode, but Im not a 100% happy.
Here is what annoys me:
1) I love Jane, really, but Im sometime so annoyed. I know that sounds weird, but sometime I just wish he would feel shit or he wouldnt get everything right. I mean ok he is smart, but if he ALWAYS knows everything ( he talks to a woman for 5 min and knows she is a freak? ) and that happens soooo often that i feel like: oh come on thats bullshit. He seems so arrogant and he doesnt even care anymore, cause he knows he is always right anyway.
2) Lisbon is not angry or disappointed at all??
3) Jane doesnt feel guilty for killing a guy? ok the guy was evil, but Jane met many evil guys, and he hates guns! So its not like he would shoot every evil guy so why doesnt he care? Honestly for me thats a prrof that every person has a evil side. Just cause they guy was evil doesnt mean u can just shoot him and then dont even feel guilty.
4) he shot a guy!!! it doesnt matter why! How can they let him go with a not gu
September 24th, 2011 11:39 AM
For those who haven't yet realised: Jane knew from before the main titles even kicked in that Timothy Carter wasn't Red John. From the moment that the two detectives tell him that no gun was found on the scene and no calls were logged to O'Laughlin, you can see it on his face. From this point on, at no point in the episode does Jane state that 'Timothy Carter was Red John.' The episode is then basically Jane attempting to dig dirt on Carter (knowing he's likely involved in some dark things, clearly working for RJ) in the hope of building some sort of case for his trial to attempt to decieve the jury into thinking that 'maybe' Carter was Red John, therefore giving Jane the 'not guilty' verdict and avoiding his imprisonment, something Jane said would have been 'a victory for Red John.'
Oh and btw, LaRoche is in next weeks episode. Plus, the new boss comes in at 4x04, so I guess the Hightower situation will be cleared up then at the latest.
Jane got off due to 'dury nullification'
September 24th, 2011 9:27 AM
No gun? Why was it that NOTHING was ever mentioned in the show about the newspaper on the mall floor that supposedly held the gun? When the video of the aftermath of the shooting is reviewed, the newspaper is still folded after the barrista visits "Carter," is not (I think I remember) after the guard visits, but is seen unfolded and in a different location after the crime scene tech visits. NEVER mentioned. . ..
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September 24th, 2011 2:53 AM
Jane's lines about the muffins were great.
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September 24th, 2011 2:52 AM
While I would have liked the RJ story to be over, it does make sense for RJ to manipulate Jane into killing someone he thinks is RJ. RJ wants Jane to suffer as much as possible. RJ's organization shouldn't get too big/influential or it'll stretch credulity though. The court case/Jane in prison until new evidence comes to light might have been better than clearing it up in one ep. If the jury weren't allowed to consider a lesser charge then there's a better chance they'd acquit. I was wondering why the DA said Jane had no ties or property too. Since Tim and his widow had connections to RJ, it makes sense for her to invite Jane in and be hospitable.
September 24th, 2011 1:25 AM
I hope the Red John story line goes on FOREVER. I happen to think this is what makes the mentalist a great show. I was however very disappointed in the writing. They have turned Jane into Red John. Killing with no remorse. The writers have made Jane arrogant, vengeful, spiteful, and self centered. He has no concern for any of his team or the people he comes in contact with. And then there is the matter of the jury saying he is NOT GUILTY!!!! What is this the Casey Anthony Trial??? He flat out stated under oath he killed the man so how do you get a not guilty verdict???? The only way this writing would ever make sense to me is if Jane IS Red John and the writers are showing us how his personality is changing a little at a time. Then I could accept the changes in him. But until or if that happens, the writers need to give the fans a little more than they are now.
September 24th, 2011 12:43 AM
Wow, reading the reviews it seems like this is the episode that most disappointed the fans!
I thought the scene with the widow and the kidnapped girl who was pretty intense, but other than that, the episode was quite frustrating, specially the scenes with Jane in prison (he won US$1 million in one single day?).
Also, I agree with a lot of you who think Lisbon must have been taking some really good painkillers to act so calm, cool and... transparent regarding her passion towards Jane. I mean, come on, they flirt sometimes, and it's fun to watch, but where's the real sweet but cut and dry Lisbon? That was so strange and so out of character!
HELLER, don't be afraid to show a really dark Jane (Not just arrogant and smart). We support you one hundred percent, and also, with that amazing hair and megawatt smile, nobody will ever judge Simon Baker's character too harshly...
September 23rd, 2011 9:05 PM
Where is Agent Hightower in all of this. Is she going to be back on the show?
September 23rd, 2011 8:37 PM
First of all, yes, a "real" jury might have let him go. It's called "jury nullification." It happens. I would have voted "not guilty" in a heartbeat. The man and his wife were sociopaths. They had a whole kidnapping chamber in their house. Red John or not, the dude was evil. Good riddance.
Secondly, I am disappointed that the Red John story continues. The whole story line is out of control. If you think about all the pieces, it makes no sense. And Red John is too omnipotent to really be any one person. He started (in the pilot) as a simple (very clever, but straightforward) serial killer...and somehow ended up as the leader of an impossibly large and all powerful crime ring...cult? I think the story got lost in itself.
Lastly, if Red John is still out there, here are some people to consider:
The head of the department (can't remember his name) who quoted Blake in a past episode.
Grace (something also seems "off" about her. And she has red hair)
The creepy crime tech guy
September 23rd, 2011 8:29 PM
As entertaining as this episode was, the final line where Jane decides that RJ is still alive ruined it for me. The show could pursue another storyline, with more of Jane's witty comments and actions. Also Lisbon can jump in her Volt and start it without a key and without changing gears, with the use of only one arm
September 23rd, 2011 8:01 PM
I´m a little disappointed that the red john stories continues.....well, i guess all that is left is that red john is actually jane hhahah