Keith Vlasak Rank: Recurring Character
October 9th, 2011 11:24 AM
@Amy -- What you said about the show intending all of the viewers to know that Mercedes outperformed Rachel has stuck with me because I couldn't imagine that they did and couldn't rule it out and the straight forward way you say it makes me think that, yeah, you're right! What bothers me then is that if Murphy and company did mean for us to get that, then wouldn't it follow that every nasty comment and action of Mercedes that stemmed from that horrible injustice be proper and appropriate (at least in the eyes of Murphy and company)?
Has anybody seen anything anywhere on this? Please ...?
glee has gotten so bad lately i can barely watch it the writers can barely locate good storylines.
Amy
October 6th, 2011 11:18 PM
@GG - They showed Mercedes doing the best parts of the song because otherwise there's no way we would believe the absurdity of Mercedes giving a hands-down better performance than Rachel. In my opinion, Rachel can out-sing Mercedes, and Mercedes can arguably match Rachel, but Mercedes cannot out-sing Rachel. The editing was semi-cleverly done so that the viewer would theoretically come to that conclusion on their own, not having seen Rachel do anything particularly skillful, but I still didn't buy it. I don't doubt that, within the world of the show, Mercedes was supposed to have done better - nor do I doubt that Rachel truly believed that. I just think it was a poorly written part of the show that wasn't executed particularly well.
GG=life Rank: Recurring Character
October 6th, 2011 9:29 PM
I liked this episode but i have to admit that I ended up hating Artie, Emma and Beiste for their splitting the Maria role into 2.
@Amy
they were showing how well Mercedes did in her call backs which is why they showed her doing the best parts of the song! Why else would Rachel willingly say that Mercedes was better? She would never say that in a million years especially if Mercedes wasn't better!!
@Matt Richenthal
Will DEFINITELY favors Rachel over Mercedes! He's never once let her be the lead of a solo for sectionals or anything when Mercedes has the most soul in her voice!
I do hate how they always make Rachel the highlight, Mercedes is just as good if not better! This isn't "The Rachel Show" it's "Glee"!
Cait
October 6th, 2011 9:25 PM
It drives me crazy that Mercedes did not get her comeupance by the end of the show. She is lazy. Simple. People that are lazy ARE NOT SUCCESSFUL IN REAL LIFE. Being fat and black does not a star make I'm afraid. You have to actually work hard and practise no matter your size or colour.
There is NO WAY that Mercedes should be getting roles over Rachel. End of story. Get your shit together writers.
Matt Richenthal Rank: Staff Member
October 6th, 2011 7:50 AM
@clarkson_fan: Why the "eff" else would Kurt be running for president? His exact, only reason - stated numerous times - is that it will help boost his college resume.
Larry
October 6th, 2011 12:48 AM
I have no use for people who stopped watching Glee -their opinions mean nothing to me. They will continue to hate no matter how Glee fares. So why they continue to badger the show is beyond me. But "Asian F" was a fantastic episode and got me feeling the old Glee has come back. I don't think those who have already given up on Glee are going to change their minds -because it is now their mission to bring it down. Most critics enjoyed it and my family did -and THAT's what I care about.
Brandon
October 5th, 2011 7:37 PM
Elizabeth Marie, Fox doesn't think that baseball is more important, it just gets better ratings. I'm a gleek but I think I would rather watch the world series which is unscripted than the scripted tv show you are talking about. There are also many more cable networks dedicated to tv shows than of sporting events.
It's a small thing but I really loved Finn cheering on Rachel, I thought it was super cute and reminded me a little bit why I used to love Finchel.
Amy
October 5th, 2011 5:12 PM
Didn't care for this episode, but I haven't cared for a new episode of Glee in a while. I thought the Mercedes plot line was ridiculous. Rachel should obviously be Maria, on talent alone. Mercedes shouldn't even be auditioning for that part, since she should be aware of her friend's college plans. And for those of you who keep saying that Mercedes was better in her callback, you can thank the editing department for that. All of the parts that would have highlighted Rachel's talents were given to Mercedes. For the record, I didn't even find that editing job effective; I still thought Rachel was better, even without filling in the blanks. Rachel is, simply, a stronger singer. Mercedes has passion, which is why she would make a much better Anita. Also, you would think that Will would have confided in Emma that Mercedes was being completely irresponsible and counterproductive in rehearsals, leading to the (correct) casting of Rachel as Maria. It's not just about singing when you're casting
Sylvie
October 5th, 2011 4:36 PM
OMG I loved seeing Harry singing and dancing. We can finally appreciate his talents as a performer.
I couldn't disagree with you more :/
I liked the episode (not loved it) but i don't think that is has to be a "Mike episode" or a "Emma episode"... I like the mix of different storylines, some glee episodes are too slow for me (like last week) but this one was more entertaining and I like packed shows and I don't think that you need like half hour to explain a backstory or sth, sometimes less is more and leaves sth for more episodes....
Also I really liked all the songs, specially the dream girls part :P
youngnan Rank: Guest Star
October 5th, 2011 4:02 PM
Episode was good, from somebody who was starting to hate Glee. Seeing some signs that they are going to restart the Kurt drama, but I hope not.
In the beginning I thought this show was going to be about equal opportunity, but Rachel took it over the way Elmo took over Sesame street. Would it have been that impossible for her not to be the lead for once? Mercedes kinda bitched out with her attitude, but Rachel's attitude is all around awful for two entire seasons and she's actually getting worse. School pres. too? Glee turned into Rachel plus back-up.
Emma's story was good. Not tear inducing but I don't think the goal was to make anyone cry.
Yay, they remembered Mike, only for a show that's supposed to be all righteous and preachy, I don't like how they keep pushing the Asian stereotype. It's starting to get offensive and I'm not even Asian.
The reason Glee is taking a break until November is because of baseball. I don't understand why sports need to invade network television when there are a dozen cable channels dedicated to it, but apparently Fox believes that it is more important to show this crap than it is to air a scripted television show with millions of fans.
Anyway, Rant over.
I really enjoyed the episode. Mercedes was being a total bitch, and I think it is mostly this new boyfriend's fault. I get he was supposed to be encouraging her to go for her dreams, but the way he did it was just wrong. He should not have told her to stop being friends with Rachel because they were competing for the same role and for solos with the chorus. There are better ways for him to encourage Mercedes--he could have suggested practicing her dance moves or working on increasing her range. Yes, Mercedes is a good singer, but she is lazy. She doesn't want to learn the dances for New Directions, so she'll probably feel the sa
MM
October 5th, 2011 1:49 PM
didn't Santana say that she got in because she is sneaking in behind Sue's back? hmm idk
Arkodweller
October 5th, 2011 1:41 PM
Last night was too packed to give any emotional impact. I was SHOCKED to see a latino waitress serving the ginger parents. It made me realize that Glee is deeply lacking some latino presence. I love me some Naya Rivera but come on! With Broadway talent like Lin-Manuel Miranda and Tony award winning Karen Olivo there is no excuse to ignore the latino community in the US.
frank
October 5th, 2011 1:19 PM
Nothing will ever be good enough for critics (1st.we need less Rachel then we need her she is the star(2nd at my school when doing a musical production auditions were open to all students not just performing arts kids i think thats why Santana was there(3rd I felt it was perfect amount of time spent on all these characters which will probably continue in following episodes + these are the characters that people were asking to see more of.
Sez
October 5th, 2011 12:42 PM
Oh and Mercedes suddenly needing help with dancing is a new thing, she never had trouble before. Anyone who could keep up with the frenetic dance moves on 'U Can't Touch This' (possibly the one Glee routine that continues to reduce me tears of laughter EVERY time I see it) shows they can dance. I blame the boyfriend, he's a major douche and he needs to go. She was fine till he came along, we need Sam back!
Megan
October 5th, 2011 12:40 PM
I also believe that rachel was better no matter wat she said, personally I just perfer rachels style and time to mercedes' and I think that double casting the role of maria was brilliant......i really do hate critics, whenever I read their reviews I want to hit them upside the head with a frying pan, but if I had to pick one flaw with the episode it had to be the whole why is santana back ib the group? I was like did I miss something?
Megan
October 5th, 2011 12:35 PM
I lived this episode it was coalitions to have an episode about mike, he is one of my favorite characters....and the part with him and gods mon was awesome...i loved that I was getting choked up, and wat was going on with homage me want to cry....cam we talk about him learning to sing? Cam we say amazing?otr was about time for q mike episode and thats wat this was, everything else was just minor... plot lives lines
Kelly
October 5th, 2011 12:30 PM
The reference to "people like me" when Kurt was speaking about the class presidency doesn't necessarily mean "gay people like me." Now, I'm sure that's part of it, but he's also been bullied and chased out of his school. Maybe, just maybe, he'd like to try to change the school policies to make punishment for bullying harsher. Or at least, existent. He would be a great candidate for the outcasts. Sure, Rachel's an outcast, too, but Kurt has even MORE things stacked against him. Him being able to rise above that and win the presidency could really do something good for the school. Rachel would be FAR too "it's all about me."
As far as Mercedes being pregnant, Amber Riley had a really good laugh about that on Twitter last night and said she's NOT pregnant. And thank goodness for that because that would be a seriously bad choice on the writers' parts.
LoLo
October 5th, 2011 12:21 PM
Really? Carl? No idea? Really? Wow. So this is your job...right?
Clara
October 5th, 2011 11:37 AM
To everyone out there who is hating on Mercedes' "attitude"... Did any of you even hear the COMPLETELY condescending way Rachel was treating her through the entire episode? If I were Mercedes and my voice could do the things that her's can and some skinny bitch was constantly inferring I wasn't good enough or I deserved to be second best I'd give a lot more than attitude! "...taste my fist," comes to mind.
Also, this may have been a loaded episode in some people's opinions, but has anyone actually considered that they're trying to tie up some story arcs (auditions for WSS) before moving on to the rest? And given season 2's complete lack of plot I think we can safely assume that, in order to get the character development that so many of us want, there are going to be substantially more episodes like this one. Could they do a better job of not making it look so slapped together? Probably, but I doubt that anyone who watches the show is going to be turned off of future episodes by wat
Blu Rank: Regular Character
October 5th, 2011 11:28 AM
For the most part I honestly enjoyed the episode. Were there flaws? Naturally but I still loved it. IT may be in part because for a chance we got to see other characters truly shine. I mean I love Glee to pieces but it can't be the Kurt and Rachel show all of the time.
Mike- I have to say the Asian-F had me in hysterics...that isn't even an Asian thing for some parents. Damn, that A-. I was thrilled that he got to sing and he sounded lovely. His dancing was amazing as usual. I loved him getting a chance to shine, because he was literally a background prop all of season one and not utilized most of season two. I do agree that his storyling was rushed though. By the end of it he was hugging his mother and it was all good. It could have been dragged out, and dare I say it, he could have been given a storyarc rather than a one episodse storyline that he had to share with two other under utlized charcters.
Mercedes- I don't know what to think of her bf. I can't figure out if he has a
clarkson_fan
October 5th, 2011 11:08 AM
Mercedes was the only thing that really annoyed me about this episode. So her boyfriend says some words to her and all the sudden she's a class A bitch? I hate that.
And fuck the reviewer about what they said with Kurt's line. Gay people are always struggling. And one line does not equal the huge issue it was in season 2. And why the fuck else would he be doing it? Fucking A.
Brittany: Let me break it down. No one in this musty choir room compares to my megawatt star power. Blaine, you're shorter than a lawn gnome. Joe, you look l...
Rank: Recurring Character
October 9th, 2011 11:24 AM
@Amy -- What you said about the show intending all of the viewers to know that Mercedes outperformed Rachel has stuck with me because I couldn't imagine that they did and couldn't rule it out and the straight forward way you say it makes me think that, yeah, you're right! What bothers me then is that if Murphy and company did mean for us to get that, then wouldn't it follow that every nasty comment and action of Mercedes that stemmed from that horrible injustice be proper and appropriate (at least in the eyes of Murphy and company)?
Has anybody seen anything anywhere on this? Please ...?
Rank: Guest Star
October 8th, 2011 12:51 PM
glee has gotten so bad lately i can barely watch it the writers can barely locate good storylines.
October 6th, 2011 11:18 PM
@GG - They showed Mercedes doing the best parts of the song because otherwise there's no way we would believe the absurdity of Mercedes giving a hands-down better performance than Rachel. In my opinion, Rachel can out-sing Mercedes, and Mercedes can arguably match Rachel, but Mercedes cannot out-sing Rachel. The editing was semi-cleverly done so that the viewer would theoretically come to that conclusion on their own, not having seen Rachel do anything particularly skillful, but I still didn't buy it. I don't doubt that, within the world of the show, Mercedes was supposed to have done better - nor do I doubt that Rachel truly believed that. I just think it was a poorly written part of the show that wasn't executed particularly well.
Rank: Recurring Character
October 6th, 2011 9:29 PM
I liked this episode but i have to admit that I ended up hating Artie, Emma and Beiste for their splitting the Maria role into 2.
@Amy
they were showing how well Mercedes did in her call backs which is why they showed her doing the best parts of the song! Why else would Rachel willingly say that Mercedes was better? She would never say that in a million years especially if Mercedes wasn't better!!
@Matt Richenthal
Will DEFINITELY favors Rachel over Mercedes! He's never once let her be the lead of a solo for sectionals or anything when Mercedes has the most soul in her voice!
I do hate how they always make Rachel the highlight, Mercedes is just as good if not better! This isn't "The Rachel Show" it's "Glee"!
October 6th, 2011 9:25 PM
It drives me crazy that Mercedes did not get her comeupance by the end of the show. She is lazy. Simple. People that are lazy ARE NOT SUCCESSFUL IN REAL LIFE. Being fat and black does not a star make I'm afraid. You have to actually work hard and practise no matter your size or colour.
There is NO WAY that Mercedes should be getting roles over Rachel. End of story. Get your shit together writers.
Rank: Staff Member
October 6th, 2011 7:50 AM
@clarkson_fan: Why the "eff" else would Kurt be running for president? His exact, only reason - stated numerous times - is that it will help boost his college resume.
October 6th, 2011 12:48 AM
I have no use for people who stopped watching Glee -their opinions mean nothing to me. They will continue to hate no matter how Glee fares. So why they continue to badger the show is beyond me. But "Asian F" was a fantastic episode and got me feeling the old Glee has come back. I don't think those who have already given up on Glee are going to change their minds -because it is now their mission to bring it down. Most critics enjoyed it and my family did -and THAT's what I care about.
October 5th, 2011 7:37 PM
Elizabeth Marie, Fox doesn't think that baseball is more important, it just gets better ratings. I'm a gleek but I think I would rather watch the world series which is unscripted than the scripted tv show you are talking about. There are also many more cable networks dedicated to tv shows than of sporting events.
Rank: Extra
October 5th, 2011 6:52 PM
It's a small thing but I really loved Finn cheering on Rachel, I thought it was super cute and reminded me a little bit why I used to love Finchel.
October 5th, 2011 5:12 PM
Didn't care for this episode, but I haven't cared for a new episode of Glee in a while. I thought the Mercedes plot line was ridiculous. Rachel should obviously be Maria, on talent alone. Mercedes shouldn't even be auditioning for that part, since she should be aware of her friend's college plans. And for those of you who keep saying that Mercedes was better in her callback, you can thank the editing department for that. All of the parts that would have highlighted Rachel's talents were given to Mercedes. For the record, I didn't even find that editing job effective; I still thought Rachel was better, even without filling in the blanks. Rachel is, simply, a stronger singer. Mercedes has passion, which is why she would make a much better Anita. Also, you would think that Will would have confided in Emma that Mercedes was being completely irresponsible and counterproductive in rehearsals, leading to the (correct) casting of Rachel as Maria. It's not just about singing when you're casting
October 5th, 2011 4:36 PM
OMG I loved seeing Harry singing and dancing. We can finally appreciate his talents as a performer.
Rank: New User
October 5th, 2011 4:19 PM
I couldn't disagree with you more :/
I liked the episode (not loved it) but i don't think that is has to be a "Mike episode" or a "Emma episode"... I like the mix of different storylines, some glee episodes are too slow for me (like last week) but this one was more entertaining and I like packed shows and I don't think that you need like half hour to explain a backstory or sth, sometimes less is more and leaves sth for more episodes....
Also I really liked all the songs, specially the dream girls part :P
Rank: Guest Star
October 5th, 2011 4:02 PM
Episode was good, from somebody who was starting to hate Glee. Seeing some signs that they are going to restart the Kurt drama, but I hope not.
In the beginning I thought this show was going to be about equal opportunity, but Rachel took it over the way Elmo took over Sesame street. Would it have been that impossible for her not to be the lead for once? Mercedes kinda bitched out with her attitude, but Rachel's attitude is all around awful for two entire seasons and she's actually getting worse. School pres. too? Glee turned into Rachel plus back-up.
Emma's story was good. Not tear inducing but I don't think the goal was to make anyone cry.
Yay, they remembered Mike, only for a show that's supposed to be all righteous and preachy, I don't like how they keep pushing the Asian stereotype. It's starting to get offensive and I'm not even Asian.
Rank: Extra
October 5th, 2011 2:56 PM
The reason Glee is taking a break until November is because of baseball. I don't understand why sports need to invade network television when there are a dozen cable channels dedicated to it, but apparently Fox believes that it is more important to show this crap than it is to air a scripted television show with millions of fans.
Anyway, Rant over.
I really enjoyed the episode. Mercedes was being a total bitch, and I think it is mostly this new boyfriend's fault. I get he was supposed to be encouraging her to go for her dreams, but the way he did it was just wrong. He should not have told her to stop being friends with Rachel because they were competing for the same role and for solos with the chorus. There are better ways for him to encourage Mercedes--he could have suggested practicing her dance moves or working on increasing her range. Yes, Mercedes is a good singer, but she is lazy. She doesn't want to learn the dances for New Directions, so she'll probably feel the sa
October 5th, 2011 1:49 PM
didn't Santana say that she got in because she is sneaking in behind Sue's back? hmm idk
October 5th, 2011 1:41 PM
Last night was too packed to give any emotional impact. I was SHOCKED to see a latino waitress serving the ginger parents. It made me realize that Glee is deeply lacking some latino presence. I love me some Naya Rivera but come on! With Broadway talent like Lin-Manuel Miranda and Tony award winning Karen Olivo there is no excuse to ignore the latino community in the US.
October 5th, 2011 1:19 PM
Nothing will ever be good enough for critics (1st.we need less Rachel then we need her she is the star(2nd at my school when doing a musical production auditions were open to all students not just performing arts kids i think thats why Santana was there(3rd I felt it was perfect amount of time spent on all these characters which will probably continue in following episodes + these are the characters that people were asking to see more of.
October 5th, 2011 12:42 PM
Oh and Mercedes suddenly needing help with dancing is a new thing, she never had trouble before. Anyone who could keep up with the frenetic dance moves on 'U Can't Touch This' (possibly the one Glee routine that continues to reduce me tears of laughter EVERY time I see it) shows they can dance. I blame the boyfriend, he's a major douche and he needs to go. She was fine till he came along, we need Sam back!
October 5th, 2011 12:40 PM
I also believe that rachel was better no matter wat she said, personally I just perfer rachels style and time to mercedes' and I think that double casting the role of maria was brilliant......i really do hate critics, whenever I read their reviews I want to hit them upside the head with a frying pan, but if I had to pick one flaw with the episode it had to be the whole why is santana back ib the group? I was like did I miss something?
October 5th, 2011 12:35 PM
I lived this episode it was coalitions to have an episode about mike, he is one of my favorite characters....and the part with him and gods mon was awesome...i loved that I was getting choked up, and wat was going on with homage me want to cry....cam we talk about him learning to sing? Cam we say amazing?otr was about time for q mike episode and thats wat this was, everything else was just minor... plot lives lines
October 5th, 2011 12:30 PM
The reference to "people like me" when Kurt was speaking about the class presidency doesn't necessarily mean "gay people like me." Now, I'm sure that's part of it, but he's also been bullied and chased out of his school. Maybe, just maybe, he'd like to try to change the school policies to make punishment for bullying harsher. Or at least, existent. He would be a great candidate for the outcasts. Sure, Rachel's an outcast, too, but Kurt has even MORE things stacked against him. Him being able to rise above that and win the presidency could really do something good for the school. Rachel would be FAR too "it's all about me."
As far as Mercedes being pregnant, Amber Riley had a really good laugh about that on Twitter last night and said she's NOT pregnant. And thank goodness for that because that would be a seriously bad choice on the writers' parts.
October 5th, 2011 12:21 PM
Really? Carl? No idea? Really? Wow. So this is your job...right?
October 5th, 2011 11:37 AM
To everyone out there who is hating on Mercedes' "attitude"... Did any of you even hear the COMPLETELY condescending way Rachel was treating her through the entire episode? If I were Mercedes and my voice could do the things that her's can and some skinny bitch was constantly inferring I wasn't good enough or I deserved to be second best I'd give a lot more than attitude! "...taste my fist," comes to mind.
Also, this may have been a loaded episode in some people's opinions, but has anyone actually considered that they're trying to tie up some story arcs (auditions for WSS) before moving on to the rest? And given season 2's complete lack of plot I think we can safely assume that, in order to get the character development that so many of us want, there are going to be substantially more episodes like this one. Could they do a better job of not making it look so slapped together? Probably, but I doubt that anyone who watches the show is going to be turned off of future episodes by wat
Rank: Regular Character
October 5th, 2011 11:28 AM
For the most part I honestly enjoyed the episode. Were there flaws? Naturally but I still loved it. IT may be in part because for a chance we got to see other characters truly shine. I mean I love Glee to pieces but it can't be the Kurt and Rachel show all of the time.
Mike- I have to say the Asian-F had me in hysterics...that isn't even an Asian thing for some parents. Damn, that A-. I was thrilled that he got to sing and he sounded lovely. His dancing was amazing as usual. I loved him getting a chance to shine, because he was literally a background prop all of season one and not utilized most of season two. I do agree that his storyling was rushed though. By the end of it he was hugging his mother and it was all good. It could have been dragged out, and dare I say it, he could have been given a storyarc rather than a one episodse storyline that he had to share with two other under utlized charcters.
Mercedes- I don't know what to think of her bf. I can't figure out if he has a
October 5th, 2011 11:08 AM
Mercedes was the only thing that really annoyed me about this episode. So her boyfriend says some words to her and all the sudden she's a class A bitch? I hate that.
And fuck the reviewer about what they said with Kurt's line. Gay people are always struggling. And one line does not equal the huge issue it was in season 2. And why the fuck else would he be doing it? Fucking A.