House Season Premiere Review: "Twenty Vicodin" Comments (Page 2)
25 Comments
Josie Leeds Rank: Guest Star
October 4th, 2011 12:42 PM
Have had it with House. The writers have utterly ruined this series and it's none of the studios business what Edelsteins' politics are. Guess I'll wait until it goes to syndication and watch the early episodes. Last season stunk and this one is shaping up to be even MORE odiferous.
Maka
October 4th, 2011 12:40 PM
Cuddy was not the one person House loved. Not even close. There relationship had very little to do with love, and everything to do with sex. House only thought that if he could make this (ultimately shallow) relationship work, he would fix himself and he could be happy. That's what the entirety of latter Season 7 was; trying to fix himself so he would be happy. There never was any love been House and Cuddy. For that matter, I'm not sure there was ever any friendship. I mean, their professional relationship consisted of House hitting on Cuddy because she's walking around with her boobs hanging out, and then ignoring her instructions. They never hang out, they constantly bicker. That doesn't sound like them being friends to me.
If there was anybody that House loved, it was Stacy Warner from Season 2. There, we actually saw a bona fide emotional connection (not to mention a half decent actress). And not only that, but House cared for Stacy so much he sacrifi
Starkuskilderry
October 4th, 2011 12:02 PM
Idk if im remembering right but the guard last night was named Alvarez and when he was in mental hosp wasnt his friend named Alvie because his name was Alvarez?
Lisa, your review was spot on. I love reading your reviews because even though you are a loyal longtime fan viewer (as am I) you still remain objective enough to write great reviews. I appreciate that, always have.
I liked the episode but I had to judge it aside from other eps. Like "Broken" which I also liked except for Lydia though I can see why they threw here in there, it has to be judged as a stand-alone. In "Twenty Vicodin" I liked House's humanity in treating his cellmate's cricket, I liked that he thanked his cellmate for not killing him LOL. I liked his chess playing friend who saved his ass and I loved that he got those two prisoners fighting so he could get his walkman and his tuna back. That's the manipulative House we kno. I like that he flushed the Vicodin down the toilet, said "nice knowing you" to his cellmate and headed to protective custody in defiance of the skinheads. I also liked the epiphany moment. I liked that in the end Adams risked her job to help this pat
Maka
October 4th, 2011 2:53 AM
@Stephanie
You know, I totally agree. You know what the disaster that was Season 7 was? That was House trying to change. That was House, under the influence of Dr. Nolan and Wilson, trying to become the perfect, "'50s domestic suburban bliss" boyfriend. Cuddy's dream sequence in "Bombshells"? It had a point. Only she was the problem, not he.
If House changes, it's because he wants to change. But he thought he did, because of Cuddy, Dr. Nolan, and Wilson, and that resulted in the tortured House of late Season 7 (I mean, come on, "The Fix" anyone?) and the House who put a hole in Cuddy's dining room. If he changes this season, it'll be his choice, not anybody else's.
Not that he hasn't changed. Would Season 1 House ever have gone so awkwardly out of the way to track down Thirteen's high school ex in "Changes", or shared his food with her? This is House we're talking about. Since when does he share food with people?
Phyllis N.
October 4th, 2011 2:48 AM
Sorry Ryan honey, but this reviewer clearly knows her stuff. You seem very bright in acknowledging what reviewers do "seeing way too many shows..." but I feel like you'd be complaining if she saw too little as well.
I admit I'm one of those viewers that watches an episode here and there but it sounds like you and House may be destined to meet at a therapy session with Dr.Nolan.
John
October 4th, 2011 2:47 AM
Please, what episode was this reviewer and some of you commenters watching?
This was a perfect start to the absolutely horrendous that was last season.
I am not going to counter argue every little thing in this article, but the glaring fault of the writer (if she has really watched every episode of every season) is that House has never been as less despondent as he has been in this episode. House is seen finally interacting on a human, but obviously albeit House level with the other temporary characters in the show i.e. prisoners and prison clinic staff. Please name any other episode where House has had this much interaction with the varied amount of characters as he has had in this episode? Even during his asylum time he migrated toward his roommate Alvie as his connection. Lets look back at his asylum days, slowly but surely he did grow to have a relationship with the patients there. By the time House was ready to leave the institution and had his little getting out party we sa
Stephanie
October 4th, 2011 2:31 AM
Is this really Wilson???
.....by the way I am sincerely glad the writers haven't made house into another ER clone where the doctors love their patients bet you that would last long.
Stephanie
October 4th, 2011 2:20 AM
I don't agree with you. The only thing that isn't being redone over and over again is house's antics. I hate everyone tries to change him, try to make him more normal, try to make him care and are incredibily obsessed with him. He wouldnt be house if he werent a jerk or a damn good doctor. He would be so boring if he was emotionally stable. This show seems not your cup of tea if you want to change the main character's most noticable and note worthy characteristics. I can do without the repetitive medical plots but house is always funny. I love his attitude if you don't really care for house himself why do you watch? I wish we could see a confrontation between cuddy and house it's seems really anticlimactic. By the way, why is everyone freaking about the possibility of the kid being in the house they wouldnt make house a child killer that would a total show killer.
Maka
October 4th, 2011 2:13 AM
Cuddy was not a "strong female equal" to House. She never was, not even close. She was never "strong", she's not an "equal", and even "female" is a little debatable, considering she looks like she's been dressed by a thirteen year old who has never actually seen a woman, let alone one in a position of power at a hospital. The closest thing this show has had to a "strong female equal" to House was Stacy, who unfortunately was not a regular, or Dr. Cate Milton, who by all rights should have been the female lead, although paying for Mira Sorvino to be on the show's regular cast probably was a little over House's budget.
Of the regulars, only Thirteen applies, and while she fulfills the roles of "strong" and "female" I couldn't call her an "equal". She might have given as good as she got from House, which is admirable, but she's still his subordinate. Amber almost could apply, but then the writers had to turn her into a walking female stereotype ("tough bitch who secretly ju
delphincik Rank: Recurring Character
October 4th, 2011 12:50 AM
I gotta go with the first commenter, it's not a bad a review, but for crying out loud, it's not a essay for college admission. Next time cut it in half. I fell asleep after i read a half.
Overall, good points.
Sarah
October 4th, 2011 12:13 AM
I think this has some great points. I've been a House watcher since the beginning and I have a hard time coming back to it. They've killed off or replaced any character that is any sort of match for House. Making it way less interesting. Yes, House is still House but it's getting old this bit about his self destruction and not truly self reflecting. If we keep getting the same thing why not just watch the repeat episodes - they were better done anyway.
Elizabeth
October 3rd, 2011 11:52 PM
Great review! I thought the ep was really poor to be honest. It's amazing the number prison cliches they managed to squeeze into one hour of television. White, older guy who House plays chess with and imparts his wisdom- Alcatraz. Gentle giant who keeps pets- Green Mile. Make-shift knife- Every prison film ever. Ditto for the prison riot. I don't know. The whole show seems to be going through the motions now and lacks sincerity now. It feels like they have nothing left to say so they are just kicking around increasingly silly ideas.
Sorry Ryan but a character that doesn't grow/change or learn from their mistakes is basically a sitcom character. I don't have a clue about Dexter, but you should watch Breaking Bad where the main character goes from being a reserved family man who isn't able to hold a gun properly to running his own drug ring. Sadly this is why the House PTB aren't getting a look in at awards ceremonies aside from Hugh Laurie's nominations these days: this falling back
Maka
October 3rd, 2011 11:49 PM
Cheers to no Cuddy. Dr. Nolan a terrible therapist. He should have gone to Dr. Milton. Nolan (and Wilson) talked House into embarking on a relationship which was doomed to failure. Forget House's problems. Cuddy's neediness and manipulative tendencies should have raised a red flag from the getgo, and the spectacular failure of that relationship was something that never surprised me. Convincing an emotionally weak and fragile man (he hadn't been in love since Stacy, and look at where THAT went) that he can only find happiness in an emotionally manipulative woman like Cuddy was a recipe for disaster.
Cuddy was never an integral part to the show. Let's look back to the Holmes parallels: There's House as Holmes and Wilson as Watson, but Cuddy sure as hell never was an Irene Adler. She's not smart enough for that (really, Thirteen was the closest thing to an Irene Adler, House's near-equal in Jedi Mind tricks who managed to best him marginally, and she never never was a romantic
Ryan
October 3rd, 2011 11:03 PM
That was great writing! Worst Review I have ever read, but good writing. Please...please never watch Dexter. That guy is not just going to change and neither is house just going to change.
This was a very very good episode! Enjoyed every minute of it! What does a show become when it does not follow its formula anymore? Not House. And that is what you want to make it. Reviewers see way too many shows, movies, books, games, etc. So I say again, this episode was entertaining all the way through, and you are ....I dont know..I guess crazy!
As for the girls of House, no one wants to see fat, caffeine high nurses on tv. This is not scrubs. Sorry sweetheart!
House : From what I hear, nothing black is tiny. Except your penis.
Rank: Guest Star
October 4th, 2011 12:42 PM
Have had it with House. The writers have utterly ruined this series and it's none of the studios business what Edelsteins' politics are. Guess I'll wait until it goes to syndication and watch the early episodes. Last season stunk and this one is shaping up to be even MORE odiferous.
October 4th, 2011 12:40 PM
Cuddy was not the one person House loved. Not even close. There relationship had very little to do with love, and everything to do with sex. House only thought that if he could make this (ultimately shallow) relationship work, he would fix himself and he could be happy. That's what the entirety of latter Season 7 was; trying to fix himself so he would be happy. There never was any love been House and Cuddy. For that matter, I'm not sure there was ever any friendship. I mean, their professional relationship consisted of House hitting on Cuddy because she's walking around with her boobs hanging out, and then ignoring her instructions. They never hang out, they constantly bicker. That doesn't sound like them being friends to me.
If there was anybody that House loved, it was Stacy Warner from Season 2. There, we actually saw a bona fide emotional connection (not to mention a half decent actress). And not only that, but House cared for Stacy so much he sacrifi
October 4th, 2011 12:02 PM
Idk if im remembering right but the guard last night was named Alvarez and when he was in mental hosp wasnt his friend named Alvie because his name was Alvarez?
Rank: Extra
October 4th, 2011 8:56 AM
Lisa, your review was spot on. I love reading your reviews because even though you are a loyal longtime fan viewer (as am I) you still remain objective enough to write great reviews. I appreciate that, always have.
I liked the episode but I had to judge it aside from other eps. Like "Broken" which I also liked except for Lydia though I can see why they threw here in there, it has to be judged as a stand-alone. In "Twenty Vicodin" I liked House's humanity in treating his cellmate's cricket, I liked that he thanked his cellmate for not killing him LOL. I liked his chess playing friend who saved his ass and I loved that he got those two prisoners fighting so he could get his walkman and his tuna back. That's the manipulative House we kno. I like that he flushed the Vicodin down the toilet, said "nice knowing you" to his cellmate and headed to protective custody in defiance of the skinheads. I also liked the epiphany moment. I liked that in the end Adams risked her job to help this pat
October 4th, 2011 2:53 AM
@Stephanie
You know, I totally agree. You know what the disaster that was Season 7 was? That was House trying to change. That was House, under the influence of Dr. Nolan and Wilson, trying to become the perfect, "'50s domestic suburban bliss" boyfriend. Cuddy's dream sequence in "Bombshells"? It had a point. Only she was the problem, not he.
If House changes, it's because he wants to change. But he thought he did, because of Cuddy, Dr. Nolan, and Wilson, and that resulted in the tortured House of late Season 7 (I mean, come on, "The Fix" anyone?) and the House who put a hole in Cuddy's dining room. If he changes this season, it'll be his choice, not anybody else's.
Not that he hasn't changed. Would Season 1 House ever have gone so awkwardly out of the way to track down Thirteen's high school ex in "Changes", or shared his food with her? This is House we're talking about. Since when does he share food with people?
October 4th, 2011 2:48 AM
Sorry Ryan honey, but this reviewer clearly knows her stuff. You seem very bright in acknowledging what reviewers do "seeing way too many shows..." but I feel like you'd be complaining if she saw too little as well.
I admit I'm one of those viewers that watches an episode here and there but it sounds like you and House may be destined to meet at a therapy session with Dr.Nolan.
October 4th, 2011 2:47 AM
Please, what episode was this reviewer and some of you commenters watching?
This was a perfect start to the absolutely horrendous that was last season.
I am not going to counter argue every little thing in this article, but the glaring fault of the writer (if she has really watched every episode of every season) is that House has never been as less despondent as he has been in this episode. House is seen finally interacting on a human, but obviously albeit House level with the other temporary characters in the show i.e. prisoners and prison clinic staff. Please name any other episode where House has had this much interaction with the varied amount of characters as he has had in this episode? Even during his asylum time he migrated toward his roommate Alvie as his connection. Lets look back at his asylum days, slowly but surely he did grow to have a relationship with the patients there. By the time House was ready to leave the institution and had his little getting out party we sa
October 4th, 2011 2:31 AM
Is this really Wilson???
.....by the way I am sincerely glad the writers haven't made house into another ER clone where the doctors love their patients bet you that would last long.
October 4th, 2011 2:20 AM
I don't agree with you. The only thing that isn't being redone over and over again is house's antics. I hate everyone tries to change him, try to make him more normal, try to make him care and are incredibily obsessed with him. He wouldnt be house if he werent a jerk or a damn good doctor. He would be so boring if he was emotionally stable. This show seems not your cup of tea if you want to change the main character's most noticable and note worthy characteristics. I can do without the repetitive medical plots but house is always funny. I love his attitude if you don't really care for house himself why do you watch? I wish we could see a confrontation between cuddy and house it's seems really anticlimactic. By the way, why is everyone freaking about the possibility of the kid being in the house they wouldnt make house a child killer that would a total show killer.
October 4th, 2011 2:13 AM
Cuddy was not a "strong female equal" to House. She never was, not even close. She was never "strong", she's not an "equal", and even "female" is a little debatable, considering she looks like she's been dressed by a thirteen year old who has never actually seen a woman, let alone one in a position of power at a hospital. The closest thing this show has had to a "strong female equal" to House was Stacy, who unfortunately was not a regular, or Dr. Cate Milton, who by all rights should have been the female lead, although paying for Mira Sorvino to be on the show's regular cast probably was a little over House's budget.
Of the regulars, only Thirteen applies, and while she fulfills the roles of "strong" and "female" I couldn't call her an "equal". She might have given as good as she got from House, which is admirable, but she's still his subordinate. Amber almost could apply, but then the writers had to turn her into a walking female stereotype ("tough bitch who secretly ju
Rank: Recurring Character
October 4th, 2011 12:50 AM
I gotta go with the first commenter, it's not a bad a review, but for crying out loud, it's not a essay for college admission. Next time cut it in half. I fell asleep after i read a half.
Overall, good points.
October 4th, 2011 12:13 AM
I think this has some great points. I've been a House watcher since the beginning and I have a hard time coming back to it. They've killed off or replaced any character that is any sort of match for House. Making it way less interesting. Yes, House is still House but it's getting old this bit about his self destruction and not truly self reflecting. If we keep getting the same thing why not just watch the repeat episodes - they were better done anyway.
October 3rd, 2011 11:52 PM
Great review! I thought the ep was really poor to be honest. It's amazing the number prison cliches they managed to squeeze into one hour of television. White, older guy who House plays chess with and imparts his wisdom- Alcatraz. Gentle giant who keeps pets- Green Mile. Make-shift knife- Every prison film ever. Ditto for the prison riot. I don't know. The whole show seems to be going through the motions now and lacks sincerity now. It feels like they have nothing left to say so they are just kicking around increasingly silly ideas.
Sorry Ryan but a character that doesn't grow/change or learn from their mistakes is basically a sitcom character. I don't have a clue about Dexter, but you should watch Breaking Bad where the main character goes from being a reserved family man who isn't able to hold a gun properly to running his own drug ring. Sadly this is why the House PTB aren't getting a look in at awards ceremonies aside from Hugh Laurie's nominations these days: this falling back
October 3rd, 2011 11:49 PM
Cheers to no Cuddy. Dr. Nolan a terrible therapist. He should have gone to Dr. Milton. Nolan (and Wilson) talked House into embarking on a relationship which was doomed to failure. Forget House's problems. Cuddy's neediness and manipulative tendencies should have raised a red flag from the getgo, and the spectacular failure of that relationship was something that never surprised me. Convincing an emotionally weak and fragile man (he hadn't been in love since Stacy, and look at where THAT went) that he can only find happiness in an emotionally manipulative woman like Cuddy was a recipe for disaster.
Cuddy was never an integral part to the show. Let's look back to the Holmes parallels: There's House as Holmes and Wilson as Watson, but Cuddy sure as hell never was an Irene Adler. She's not smart enough for that (really, Thirteen was the closest thing to an Irene Adler, House's near-equal in Jedi Mind tricks who managed to best him marginally, and she never never was a romantic
October 3rd, 2011 11:03 PM
That was great writing! Worst Review I have ever read, but good writing. Please...please never watch Dexter. That guy is not just going to change and neither is house just going to change.
This was a very very good episode! Enjoyed every minute of it! What does a show become when it does not follow its formula anymore? Not House. And that is what you want to make it. Reviewers see way too many shows, movies, books, games, etc. So I say again, this episode was entertaining all the way through, and you are ....I dont know..I guess crazy!
As for the girls of House, no one wants to see fat, caffeine high nurses on tv. This is not scrubs. Sorry sweetheart!