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@Piecar Dean was doing everything he could to save Cas during the last eps of season 6 not actually the actions of someone wanting to kill someone. The view that Dean seems to have at this point in time is similar to Gordon Walker and he's got to be careful he doesn't lose sight of the fact that what they do is save people not kill every monster they can.
And just a side not but could you stop calling the character Kaylee....it should be Amy Pond (character's name) or Jewel Staite (actual name)
Shaunie, yes. I wanted Dean to kill Cas. Dean wanted to kill Cas. Cas wanted to kill Cas. I like the character, but he became evil.
I don't expect Dean to kill Sam, no. There is a brotherly bond there, and it the basis of the show. But that they struggle with the moral implications of their actions is important.
Kaylee knew she was doing wrong, and knew the potential outcome of her actions. She got about what she expected in return. Yes, she did it to save her son, and blah blah. She ended someone else's life, several someone's who didn't threaten her or her son. That's a monster. A dead one.
Also can I say how great is it that a show 7 seasons in can get it's fans not only debating the show but whether or not killing a monster was morally the right thing to do. Amazing!
It's a good point that Amber Benson's character did kill someone and it's possible that Dean was factoring this into his descision. Although, didn;t she only kill because of Eve's influence and she actually asked to be killed (which Cas did). Although if I remember correctly wasn;t both Sam and Dean shocked by how quickly Cas acted.
Based on that logic then Dean should kill Sam....after he bled and drank a human, who could argue that she was possessed but Sam knew that he was killing a human yet still went ahead with it. Also, Dean tortured souls in hell and therefore isn't a saint himself. I also assume you wanted Dean to kill Cas as well?
I have seen every episode from the start of the series and I don't remember an ending more disturbing, and not in a good way, than this one. This is Dean in uber-holier-than-thou mode, killing her not so much for what she did but what she might do in the future. This is the guy who, as Belinda pointed out, tortured (human) souls in Hell for, what was it now, a decade. Yes he had extenuating circumstances - as being tortured himself in hell for three decades would certainly qualify - but the rub with extenuating circumstances is always this - how does one judge which ones grant you exoneration and which do not? The tortures in Amy's hell wasn't to her person, it was the prospect of watching her child die, and as any parent knows, that is hands down the worst and ultimate nightmare for a parent.
As for the argument that monsters are monsters and humans are humans... wasn't that the approach of the hunter who slaughtered the non-feeding-on-human vampires? The one who was shown
I knew there were going to be bleeding hearts about killing Kaylee here.
The woman killed several people. She did it to save her son, sure. But she killed them. She's a murdering monster. If her kid gets sick again, what'll she do? Kill again. She needed to get iced. Dean, while understanding, did what needed to be done. If she had have kept to her mortician ways, she'd be fine. She KILLED and is a monster.
Bye bye, monster.
When the kid showed up...I was really curious to see how far the show would go.
I thought the ep was really good, and a return to the old days...But Bobby just reappearing like that? Either it's lame, or there's something up there.
P.S @Melody Paris, not to block holes or bully others, but Amber Benson's character Lenore in Season 6 episode 19: Mommy Dearest was under the influence of Eve who's nest was already possessed by her. I'm not entirely sure if she had a choice or even free will. Only that she was aware of actions and requested it be stopped (Castiel obliged).
The only justification for Dean's actions was from what he learnt from season 6 episode 11 "Appointment in Samarra," whereby the Angel of Death teaches him the lesson of "Nature has a way of balancing things out." (similar to Nature abhors a vacuum). Hence, in Dean's logic, by murdering those that sin, but allowing the innocent to walk free, he's justifying that when the day comes he might even allow the boy to exact his vengeance. Only problem is that it will inevitably lead to the same cycle from happening again. But that is the cycle of nature apparently.
@Belinda Bu. As far as I am concerned, human life is sacrosanct. Therefore, if a cute as hell pitbull gets away from its owners and kills a bunch of people I have no problem with the authorities killing it. Hence, to me, a monster in the context of this show does not have the authority to decide to kill a person to save its child's life. So, to answer your question, I don't believe that a non-human has the same rights as a human being. They are not the same.
Similarly, I don't think Dean has the authority to determine whether Sam (a person) lives or dies. He may incapacitate him but he certainly does not have the right to kill him or any other person.
I was disgusted by Dean in this episode. There was no justification for killing that woman. I thought he had moved beyond the old black and white mentality and learned to reason things through. Apparently not.
If anything, this episode gave me all I need to drop Supernatural off my list of viewings. The old stories of the boys and the impala no longer held the allure it used to, it's old and stale and recycled. And Dean's actions in the end have only cemented that this isn't the show I want to watch anymore. I thought Dean grew out of that attitude a long time ago that he wasn't the arbitrary decision maker in people's lives, I thought after dealing with free-will and destiny that he believed people weren't ruled by who they were. Not only did he killed a mother who was protecting her child, a mother who also saved Dean as a kid, but he made smart-ass comments at the kid who just saw his mother murdered, the same thing YED did to him and Sam. Honestly, I hope little Jacob comes back and kills Sam or Bobby to mess with Dean, because this my-way-or-high-way attitude is so Season 2 I'm tired of it. If the boys aren't gonna learn from their mistakes and parents' mistakes, then fine.
@ShaunieB - It's interesting that you bring up Amber Bensen's character because she is a wonderful example of exactly why Amy had to die. Hey, I, like Sam and Dean, believed that she wouldn't kill again, but we were wrong. She admitted last year in "Mommy Dearest" that she had started killing again and drinking from humans. Dean was justified.
First off, I do not find that what Dean did was cold. He didn't kill Amy because she was a monster, he killed her because he had KILLED people. That is why he didn't kill the boy. He asked him if he had killed anyone, the kid said no, Dean let him go. He kills monsters who kill people. Even if she didn't, after everything he's seen can you blame him? Sam lets his emotions get the best of him and the things he does sometimes show that he is naive. I understand why he let her go. He see's the good in everyone, whether monster or human, but that sometimes can get the brothers into a lot of troubles. AKA RUBY! Dean, especially after the Ruby incident, did not want the same thing to happen. He did not want to see other people die and see his brother go through the guilt. He couldn't risk that. Anyways, I miss Misha Collins. Enough said! Glad Bobby is alive! Jensen Ackles did an amazing job directing... and acting of course! As did Jared Padalecki! Loving his mental breakdown going on! :-)
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Ahh, yes, Amy Pond "The Girl Who Waited," sounds like a mix between "The Girl with a Dragon Tattoo," and Jane Austen's Persuasion. But Dr Who references set aside, the character of Amy played by Jewel Stiate and the other actor was done wonderfully. I think the sympathy that some of the fans have for her character was that she: overrode her basic instinct to save Sam in the past, she only killed for her child's fever, and she never hurt anyone else since her time as an adult. Whether this was justified? I'm not sure... but eating on the brains in the morgue didn't bother me as they are many others that died drunk.
Is Dean justified? Again, mixed responses. It was the point of the episode that both Dean and Sam never learn anything from their past actions; they just cope. That surmises why Michael and Lucifer chose their respective hosts because of their thematic upbringing. The dutiful son and the child that sees the world in grey.
I thought this was a great episode of Supernatural....once again young Sam was played brilliantly by Colin Ford (who seems to have grown up!) and Jewel Staite was awesome and it was cool seeing her on TV.
I think the issues I have with Dean killing Amy Pond (love the Dr. Who reference BTW) is that his issue wasn't that she killed humans recently but that she would do it again because it's her nature...it you rememeber this is similar to Bloodlust (Season 2) with Amber Benson's vampire character....she stopped killing humans and Dean believed she would stick to that....I think this just goes to show how far DEan has come since season 2 and unfortunately it seems he is in a darker place and he is clinging onto that black and white view his father taught him.
I don't get this sympathy for a monster...not a human being... who was killing humans. I don't care what her excuse was. And I don't care if she said that she only killed bad people. Who is she to determine which people deserve to die. I think Dean did the absolute right thing in this case. One that was thankless and difficult and may result in problems for him later on ...but I guess that's what makes him a hero.
Great KILL BILL Shout-Out at the end!!!
Brilliant Episode. This was definitely better than Jensen's last directorial 'Weekend at Bobby's'
I loved this episode. Sam's past relationship with Amy shed some light on why Ruby was able to pull the wool over his eyes during season 4 - it wasn't a new concept for him that there are sometimes shades of gray even with "monsters". The chemistry between Jared and Jewel was fantastic and I wish we could've seen more of her in the future. Oh well; Bobby lives and that makes me incredibly happy.
Amazing episode. Watching Dean talk to her and then ultimately kill her was painful. Considering all he's seen in his life I understand his reasoning, that was his basic viewpoint from the beginning. I didn't find it that surprising. The back story was shot so well. Seeing into Sam's history and how he deals with her now was very telling in regards to the core Sam being there through all the crazy. Can't wait until next week.
This is a terrible episode in my opinion. So Dean kills the mother so that the kid can be orphaned. What kind of logic is that? If he wanted to get rid of all monsters, then he should have done the same for the kid. It is easier than to grow up alone without a mother. Dean is becoming a monster himself. He is worst off than Amy or Sam.
loved the episode, part of Dean's charm is his black and white view of the world they inhabit; hunters protect humans from monsters regardless of how 'human' the monsters might be. Dean's worrying over Sam is getting old he needs to get a girl or something that will let him let Sam grow up. after so many seasons it would be nice for the brother's to become equals.
Great shout out to Dr Who.
There are humans who kill others and commit atrocious acts, does that make it okay for Dean to kill them? Why do humans get a free pass on the basis that they are human?
I love Dean and he is my favourite along with Cass, but even I think what he did was pretty cold, especially considering she wasn't killing just anyone or everyone for kicks. Also considering all the bad things Sam and Dean have done in their time... I don't know but I thought by now Dean had learnt that there are shades of grey...
Oh well it looks like it's going to bit him in the butt in the future = (, so maybe he just created a monster (the kid), rather then stopping one. I really do love Dean, but in that ep I had the uneasy feeling he had taken the role of the monster, at least in the kids eyes...
This idea that Dean killing her was cold is just wrong. She was killing people! All that has to happen is her son get sick or she gets sick or some other ridiculous excuse and suddenly more people end up in the morgue. She needed to die. So does the son, but at the same time I'm glad he didn't. I'm not sure I'd ever be able to get that image out of my head.
Jensen did another wonderful job as director. "Weekend at Bobby's" is in my top 5 episodes of all time. Here again he's showing us that he's got the stuff to do it all. I thought the transitions between past and present worked really well, as well as the tonal shift. He had no problem getting just what he needed from the young actors. Colin was great as young Sam, so happy to see him again.
All in all it was a fine episode. It was harsh and sad and depressing, but still a solid episode all around.
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