Fringe Round Table: "Wallflower"

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What's up with Nina? Are the people we're watching now worth investing in, or will Peter really return to another time line, one that actually holds our beloved characters?

Join staff writers Carissa Pavlica, Nick McHatton and Sean McKenna below as they ponder the answers to these Wallflower-related questions and hope that it's enough to hold you over until Fringe returns with all new episodes in January!


Is Nina helping or hurting Olivia?
Nick: I've always had suspicions about Nina, especially in Season 1, and I think part of that suspicion the audience might have is being explored in this timeline. At this point I believe she's hurting Olivia, she's keeping a lot of things close to her vest, and helping people usually doesn't mean drugging them in their own apartment.

Sean: Nina is hiding a lot of cards at this point but I have a feeling that if she were helping she wouldn't need all the secrecy. I knew there was no way that she was the simple guardian either.

Carissa: I'm torn. While I've always had concerns about where her loyalties truly lie, if she and William were as close as I believe they have been shown to be, then she has to care about Olivia. Why? Because William was willing to give up his soul to save hers. Surely she understands a bigger picture and knows how important Olivia is, and thus is somehow brutally "protecting" her.

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Did you think it was a good idea for Peter to help Lincoln out with Olivia?
Nick: I loved that Peter was helping Lincoln with Olivia! Peter knows this Olivia isn't his Olivia, and instead of making some awkward, and weird, love triangle Peter's going to take one for the team so to speak, and help a buddy out. If the old timeline begins to reemerge though, well things are just going to get awkward anyways.

Sean: Sure, Peter's an all around great guy and based on his theory that it's not his Olivia, he has nothing to lose. That said, if for some reason she does turn out to be his Olivia and/or the timeline re-corrects or she gets her memories of Peter back, then he's probably going to wish he took back his actions. Love triangle, anyone?

Carissa: I have to agree with Sean. If his theory of an alternate time line in the same universe proves false, he's going to have one heck of a time trying to undo any damage he let's occur by pushing Lincoln toward Olivia. Let's face it, Lincoln is no slouch. He's kinds, handsome and in every other universe in love with one Olivia Dunham.

Are you investing in these people? Do you think we should?
Nick: I'm beginning to. It's very hard to just start over from scratch after pouring three years of emotional investment into the timeline we've all known and love. I think part of the reason why I'm willing to give this a go is Lincoln, and our Peter. They feel like the constants in a sea of changing variables (Peter is literally a constant). Like everything in Fringe, I believe we should be getting something out of them because very rarely are things left out when building these story arcs.

Sean: I was actually wondering about the alternate universe's people. What's going on with Fauxlivia or even Walternate? Does that universe no longer matter anymore? We spent a fair amount of time with that particular set so I have no idea why they've faded to the background. I'm invested in these alternate timeline people but only because I've grown to know their "other" versions and am still of the thought process that they are the one and same from the original timeline. Man, so many timeline's and universes, let's just hope it doesn't become too convoluted for viewers.

Carissa: I'm having a hard time believing Peter's theory that this is an alternate timeline in the same universe. There are so many reasons to believe that we are right where we are supposed to be. Peter was erased from both universes. He didn't travel in time, he was lost. He was literally outside of time. If he was truly gone, then his reemergence should mean he has to rebuild what he had from scratch. Peter's laissez-faire attitude about these people might come back to bit him in the butt.

What is your one desire to see within the first three episodes of the second half of the season?
Nick: Some kind of of hints or reveals about where things are going, what's being built towards. Is this timeline a pit stop? Is the old one going to start breaking through? What role does the other side play? Where does Peter fit into everything? It's time for some reveals Fringe because there's a lot of plot being layered, but not many payoffs yet. Sorry Carissa, I can't do just one desire!

Sean: Giving us some more info on the Peter situation. He's back, but is he? Does he need to go "home?" All of the new shapeshifters and Nina being really sneaky pale in comparison and aren't as compelling or story driving. Let's move his story forward!

Carissa: Nick and Sean summed it up nicely. Where are we? Who are these people? Additionally, where are the alts?? I genuinely miss my friends from the alternate universe and I want more than anything to bring them back to the front burner. My impression that this season would mean more screen time for both sides, and time together was grossly mistaken. I expected and WANT more episodes like "One Night in October," but with Peter in the mix. I am officially asking Santa (or Jeff Pinkner and J.H. Wyman) to make my dreams come true!

Carissa Pavlica is the managing editor and a staff writer for TV Fanatic. Follow her on Twitter and on Google+.


Well the reason that this season seems to get the wrong criticism is because of 2 reasons:
1. you are a Peter-fan like the panel seems to be, and as a result you only one to see him central and want this Olivia and Walter to immediately respond to him. This Olivia is just friendly as you would be to a stranger, but for you that is being cold, so you decide not to feel for her.
2/if you think that Peter has been made ridiculously over-important from 3.10 and also the way they have set him up this season and the constant in your face lines that without him Olivia and Walter are nothing, you do not like this season for that reason.
Because I like new OLivia and care for her as I care for the other version, which all thanks to Anna Torv's brilliance, and I do not feel at all that she is a lesser person for not having known Peter, but that is how it is set up.
We all know from comments and the set up until now that Peter will be the super-healer as well besides everything else super he has already been made, so that irritates another group of viewers, as we can expect another round of Walter getting better because of peter and Olivia falling for him because she will be once again the victim, this time of Nina, see LSD and he the one to save her. It seems that the episodes the least popular last season, shapesifter one, machine ones, Olivia insecure after Peter ones and the finale, are the center of this season.
Over there will just be a vehicle for Pter Walter/Walternate and with a bit of badluck for Anna, Fauxlivia has to be the one falling for Peter first, so that Olivia has to feel less again. Nina and Olivia was never going to be nice, Nina knows what Bell saw in her.
I wish they would have waited with the evil Nina, just to give us a few scenes that would deal with Olivia's past,
May be telling that a scemario by Ari Margolis that deals with Olivia and her stepfather in the oldtimeline is so popular. Ari makes the promos online and to fill the gap he posted a script he wrote a while ago with everyone wishing Anna Torv would be able to play that for real.


I agree with all of Carissa's answers.


Hi Bandanab. I know...I wish we could mention previews in these posts, but they are "spoiler free" for those who wish it that way. I can't wait for the next episode. It looks amazing!!


Next episode they go to the alt-universe hold your horses. But it will probably fulfill you alt needs. You have to remember that wallflower was not supposed to be the fall finale


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