Homeland Review: The Lie Detector Comments (Page 2)
38 Comments
Alex Roggio
November 9th, 2011 9:17 PM
Tom Walker is the terrorist. What better motivation to turn a POW than getting beat up by his partner? They kept Brody alive to serve as a decoy while Tom Walker is the real terrorist. He'll be back soon, maybe in Season 2 though.
kernel thai
November 9th, 2011 4:01 PM
Firstly, this ep raised the game b a ton. The polygraphs were so telling...Carrie and her drug problem...Saul and his marriage issues...David still sniping about his marriage and Brody using the test to send a message to Carrie. The key line was Carrie talking of beating the boys at chicken on the railroad tracks. Brody is now playing chicken with her. Wow!
Malaysia Station Chief
November 9th, 2011 2:51 AM
Again, Aileen cannot be a POW. She grew up in Saudi Arabia -- a country not nominally at war with the United States in the years in question. Doesn't anybody have enough general knowledge to tell the realistic from the unrealistic anymore? (No wonder even purportedly 'serious' American TV gets away with lack of realism -- only The Wire avoided that fate and even then not entirely, but I digress.) Assuming the writers are trying to be as realistic as possible, Aileen is ruled out. Saul is (very likely) ruled out because a three month prison stint in a friendly Asian country with almost no jihadist sympathies won't turn a CIA officer who (realistically) has consular access to begin with; For him to be turned in such a short time entails government collusion in the torture of an American by a usually placid country in a relatively 'friendly' part of the world -- unrealistic. Assuming the writers stick with realism, the bombshell is probably that there's a third POW out there who was presu
Rae
November 8th, 2011 6:01 PM
My theory at this point is that the gal who brought in the water also passed on the razor blade and Aileen was held prisoner in the Middle East as a young child.
Malaysia Station Chief
November 8th, 2011 4:52 PM
Saul wasn't a "POW" in Malaysia -- that country is not at war with the United States, isn't passive-aggressively hostile the way many Arab countries and Pakistan are, and has a government that harbors very little or no jihadist sympathies. And there's no chance an American would be denied consular access if taken into custody in Malaysia. State would raise hell and bring so much diplomatic pressure to bear they wouldn't be able to resist. Besides which, three weeks in a foreign prison in a relatively developed Asian locale isn't enough to turn a seasoned CIA officer.But back to the salient point: Saul was busted as a run-of-the-mill field agent, detained for a short time and questioned, and (presumably) declared persona non-grata and deported (as happens from time to time with Russian diplomats in the West). He wasn't a "POW." So it couldn't have been him, unless the writers are going to take huge liberties with terminology in a departure from realism -- something they have not done in
Lynn Dee
November 8th, 2011 11:56 AM
@Piecar - I think Carrie has mixed motives in her tryst with Brody. First, even if she has nothing specific in mind at this point, I think she thinks/hopes that by maintaining a connection with him she can keep her eye on him. Second, I do think there is some attraction. We already know she's a risk-taker, right? That no one could beat her in playing chicken with an oncoming train? Her tryst with Brody is like that -- playing chicken with an oncoming train.
Christina444
November 8th, 2011 11:51 AM
I actually subscribed to Showtime just to watch "Homeland"... it is sooooo good!!!
Ben
November 8th, 2011 2:16 AM
I feel Carrie failing the lie detector test for answering "no" to illegal drug use while employed at agency will come back to haunt her. I mean that question (about drug use) was only focused towards Carrie, no one else was asked about that. I feel she will have to take a drug test and her anti-psychotic drugs will make her seem unreliable and psycho.
Saul is becoming every more sketchy. He too was praying in Islamic language when on the phone with Carrie reporting about dead prisoner. Why was his initial polygraph not usable or reported if that was the "key" question? The relationship with the polygraph employee might benefit his case too. Very unsupervised test in my opinion at the federal level. But this is a television show and the drama is very evident. Good episode and will be watching next Sunday.
Piecar Rank: Guest Star
November 7th, 2011 9:44 PM
I thought the most telling moment of the night was when Brody started to fight Whatshisface only after noticing that the wife was coming over. It was a calculated effort. Very interesting, that.
Lynn Dee is correct. Admitting he cheated in this venue would never get back to his wife. I wonder if his assignment is not to turn Carrie herself. That's why he's messing with her.
Is Carrie trying to play Brody with this sex thing? I don't get it. The show is good, but this little tryst just seems too "TV" for me unless I get the motivation.
I hope they didn't lose the "Due South" guy. I like him.
The show clearly shows that Brody's got something going on...So it clearly can't be what we're being led to think it is.
Bethany
November 7th, 2011 9:38 PM
Good news - the series is signed on for another season. I love reading the comments. The show is so good. I have to watch it all week on my DVR. Let's start the Homeland Series Non-Book Book Club!!
J
November 7th, 2011 7:04 PM
I watch plenty of TV, and this is easily the best of the bunch. Last night's episode was outstanding.
Marina
November 7th, 2011 4:26 PM
I don't understand why Brody lied about being unfaithful to his wife. If he knew that Carrie was there then why would he lie about it knowing that the needle wouldn't jump? Wouldn't that create more suspicion? Good epsiode though!
Bill
November 7th, 2011 3:32 PM
I really like this show and I saw the intimate relationship coming between Brody and Carrie. Who's playing who? Or does at least one of them have real feelings for the other? Apparently next week, their relationship escalates.
Also, I found it a little odd how angry Brody's wife seemed when he showed back up at their house after being out all night. She knows without a doubt now that he knows she was sleeping with his best friend while he was being tortured by terrorists. You would think she would feel guilt, shame, etc. not anger at that moment for the angusih he must be feeling. Why was she apparently so mad at HIM? Despite the fact that she and Mike had assumed he would never show up alive, shouldn't she have expected him to be angry at her?
Lynn Dee
November 7th, 2011 3:10 PM
@Codex - thank you! That's great news. I saw a review of the 6th episode, which said there were only two episodes left, but that wasn't an official source or anything. Twelve episodes sounds great.
Raluca
November 7th, 2011 1:54 PM
there is no doubt: best new series of this autumn and by far in my top 3 for this year.
great acting, great writing, great characters, fine quality seance, good story... and I can go on.
nice nice indeed. is it Sunday already?
Codex
November 7th, 2011 1:44 PM
Also, hands down best show of 2011
Codex
November 7th, 2011 1:42 PM
@ Lynn Dee, there are 12 episodes this season, this was only episode 7
Lynn Dee
November 7th, 2011 12:23 PM
Obviously Brody is capable of lying and having the polygraph not catch it. Whether that means he was lying with regard to the razor blade is another story. Obviously too he was toying with Carrie in some of his polygraph answers. After all, he could've acknowledged having cheated on his wife -- it's not like that would've hurt him any or gotten back to his wife. Instead he lied and thereby taunted Carrie: "Okay, now you know I can beat this thing, and you can't even tell anybody about it. What now, babe?"
Another thing: Assuming for the moment that Brody did slip Wallid the razor blade, he could've done so for reasons of his own, from the personal to the political.
Anyway, great episode. Is there really only one more this season? Waahhh!
renee
November 7th, 2011 11:26 AM
I just love his show! Each episode gets better and better. I too think something is up with saul.I had a feeling that brody & carrie were going to get together, hell, I wanted them to! Incredible acting,fabulous show. Damian lewis is one sexy red head! I can't wait till the next episode.
Just A Prediction
November 7th, 2011 10:03 AM
Great episode. Great. If I had to make a guess it would be that Brody knows there's a leak in the CIA and "turned" to prevent a larger threat at home. It will be interesting to see how all of this plays out by the end of the season, but my money is on Brody being a good guy and playing a double-agent role. Can't wait for the next episode.
Uncle Jackass Rank: Regular Character
November 7th, 2011 7:49 AM
Agreed with @dan's review, it is a testament to the fine actors that we can't read them for clues. And the plots are extremely hard to induce:
E.g)
1.) Brody only started to punch Mike after realizing that he's wife Jessica was witnessing the dispute from a distant. Did he need to punch Mike because he's cover could have been blown if he didn't act the jealous husband? Or was it a premeditated step to get closer to Carrie who he suspected had suspected him of being a traitor?
2.) Why did Brody ask Carrie that he couldn't do the polygraph if he had "The Training" to beat the polygraph? Or was it an attempt to get the conditions on what happened to Wallid and how he died? Is the skill to beat the lie-detector requiring the conditioning of the question (suppose saying he didn't give the razor blade 1000 x in his head)?
3.) Why did Carrie get in the car at the end of the episode? Is she attracted and falling for him (as she seemed to conflicted in interrogation of Brod
Pratik Rank: Guest Star
November 7th, 2011 5:37 AM
At this moment anyone out of everyone could be turned. Whenever i watch a show like this, i keep my mind open for anyone on the show to be a suspect. next weeks promo looks so good!
Faye
November 7th, 2011 1:09 AM
Love this show and enjoyed your comments. How is the show in ratings?
Carrie: You're never gonna leave this country alive. Nazir: I know, and I don't care.
November 9th, 2011 9:17 PM
Tom Walker is the terrorist. What better motivation to turn a POW than getting beat up by his partner? They kept Brody alive to serve as a decoy while Tom Walker is the real terrorist. He'll be back soon, maybe in Season 2 though.
November 9th, 2011 4:01 PM
Firstly, this ep raised the game b a ton. The polygraphs were so telling...Carrie and her drug problem...Saul and his marriage issues...David still sniping about his marriage and Brody using the test to send a message to Carrie. The key line was Carrie talking of beating the boys at chicken on the railroad tracks. Brody is now playing chicken with her. Wow!
November 9th, 2011 2:51 AM
Again, Aileen cannot be a POW. She grew up in Saudi Arabia -- a country not nominally at war with the United States in the years in question. Doesn't anybody have enough general knowledge to tell the realistic from the unrealistic anymore? (No wonder even purportedly 'serious' American TV gets away with lack of realism -- only The Wire avoided that fate and even then not entirely, but I digress.) Assuming the writers are trying to be as realistic as possible, Aileen is ruled out. Saul is (very likely) ruled out because a three month prison stint in a friendly Asian country with almost no jihadist sympathies won't turn a CIA officer who (realistically) has consular access to begin with; For him to be turned in such a short time entails government collusion in the torture of an American by a usually placid country in a relatively 'friendly' part of the world -- unrealistic. Assuming the writers stick with realism, the bombshell is probably that there's a third POW out there who was presu
November 8th, 2011 6:01 PM
My theory at this point is that the gal who brought in the water also passed on the razor blade and Aileen was held prisoner in the Middle East as a young child.
November 8th, 2011 4:52 PM
Saul wasn't a "POW" in Malaysia -- that country is not at war with the United States, isn't passive-aggressively hostile the way many Arab countries and Pakistan are, and has a government that harbors very little or no jihadist sympathies. And there's no chance an American would be denied consular access if taken into custody in Malaysia. State would raise hell and bring so much diplomatic pressure to bear they wouldn't be able to resist. Besides which, three weeks in a foreign prison in a relatively developed Asian locale isn't enough to turn a seasoned CIA officer.But back to the salient point: Saul was busted as a run-of-the-mill field agent, detained for a short time and questioned, and (presumably) declared persona non-grata and deported (as happens from time to time with Russian diplomats in the West). He wasn't a "POW." So it couldn't have been him, unless the writers are going to take huge liberties with terminology in a departure from realism -- something they have not done in
November 8th, 2011 11:56 AM
@Piecar - I think Carrie has mixed motives in her tryst with Brody. First, even if she has nothing specific in mind at this point, I think she thinks/hopes that by maintaining a connection with him she can keep her eye on him. Second, I do think there is some attraction. We already know she's a risk-taker, right? That no one could beat her in playing chicken with an oncoming train? Her tryst with Brody is like that -- playing chicken with an oncoming train.
November 8th, 2011 11:51 AM
I actually subscribed to Showtime just to watch "Homeland"... it is sooooo good!!!
November 8th, 2011 2:16 AM
I feel Carrie failing the lie detector test for answering "no" to illegal drug use while employed at agency will come back to haunt her. I mean that question (about drug use) was only focused towards Carrie, no one else was asked about that. I feel she will have to take a drug test and her anti-psychotic drugs will make her seem unreliable and psycho.
Saul is becoming every more sketchy. He too was praying in Islamic language when on the phone with Carrie reporting about dead prisoner. Why was his initial polygraph not usable or reported if that was the "key" question? The relationship with the polygraph employee might benefit his case too. Very unsupervised test in my opinion at the federal level. But this is a television show and the drama is very evident. Good episode and will be watching next Sunday.
Rank: Guest Star
November 7th, 2011 9:44 PM
I thought the most telling moment of the night was when Brody started to fight Whatshisface only after noticing that the wife was coming over. It was a calculated effort. Very interesting, that.
Lynn Dee is correct. Admitting he cheated in this venue would never get back to his wife. I wonder if his assignment is not to turn Carrie herself. That's why he's messing with her.
Is Carrie trying to play Brody with this sex thing? I don't get it. The show is good, but this little tryst just seems too "TV" for me unless I get the motivation.
I hope they didn't lose the "Due South" guy. I like him.
The show clearly shows that Brody's got something going on...So it clearly can't be what we're being led to think it is.
November 7th, 2011 9:38 PM
Good news - the series is signed on for another season. I love reading the comments. The show is so good. I have to watch it all week on my DVR. Let's start the Homeland Series Non-Book Book Club!!
November 7th, 2011 7:04 PM
I watch plenty of TV, and this is easily the best of the bunch. Last night's episode was outstanding.
November 7th, 2011 4:26 PM
I don't understand why Brody lied about being unfaithful to his wife. If he knew that Carrie was there then why would he lie about it knowing that the needle wouldn't jump? Wouldn't that create more suspicion? Good epsiode though!
November 7th, 2011 3:32 PM
I really like this show and I saw the intimate relationship coming between Brody and Carrie. Who's playing who? Or does at least one of them have real feelings for the other? Apparently next week, their relationship escalates.
Also, I found it a little odd how angry Brody's wife seemed when he showed back up at their house after being out all night. She knows without a doubt now that he knows she was sleeping with his best friend while he was being tortured by terrorists. You would think she would feel guilt, shame, etc. not anger at that moment for the angusih he must be feeling. Why was she apparently so mad at HIM? Despite the fact that she and Mike had assumed he would never show up alive, shouldn't she have expected him to be angry at her?
November 7th, 2011 3:10 PM
@Codex - thank you! That's great news. I saw a review of the 6th episode, which said there were only two episodes left, but that wasn't an official source or anything. Twelve episodes sounds great.
November 7th, 2011 1:54 PM
there is no doubt: best new series of this autumn and by far in my top 3 for this year.
great acting, great writing, great characters, fine quality seance, good story... and I can go on.
nice nice indeed. is it Sunday already?
November 7th, 2011 1:44 PM
Also, hands down best show of 2011
November 7th, 2011 1:42 PM
@ Lynn Dee, there are 12 episodes this season, this was only episode 7
November 7th, 2011 12:23 PM
Obviously Brody is capable of lying and having the polygraph not catch it. Whether that means he was lying with regard to the razor blade is another story. Obviously too he was toying with Carrie in some of his polygraph answers. After all, he could've acknowledged having cheated on his wife -- it's not like that would've hurt him any or gotten back to his wife. Instead he lied and thereby taunted Carrie: "Okay, now you know I can beat this thing, and you can't even tell anybody about it. What now, babe?"
Another thing: Assuming for the moment that Brody did slip Wallid the razor blade, he could've done so for reasons of his own, from the personal to the political.
Anyway, great episode. Is there really only one more this season? Waahhh!
November 7th, 2011 11:26 AM
I just love his show! Each episode gets better and better. I too think something is up with saul.I had a feeling that brody & carrie were going to get together, hell, I wanted them to! Incredible acting,fabulous show. Damian lewis is one sexy red head! I can't wait till the next episode.
November 7th, 2011 10:03 AM
Great episode. Great. If I had to make a guess it would be that Brody knows there's a leak in the CIA and "turned" to prevent a larger threat at home. It will be interesting to see how all of this plays out by the end of the season, but my money is on Brody being a good guy and playing a double-agent role. Can't wait for the next episode.
Rank: Regular Character
November 7th, 2011 7:49 AM
Agreed with @dan's review, it is a testament to the fine actors that we can't read them for clues. And the plots are extremely hard to induce:
E.g)
1.) Brody only started to punch Mike after realizing that he's wife Jessica was witnessing the dispute from a distant. Did he need to punch Mike because he's cover could have been blown if he didn't act the jealous husband? Or was it a premeditated step to get closer to Carrie who he suspected had suspected him of being a traitor?
2.) Why did Brody ask Carrie that he couldn't do the polygraph if he had "The Training" to beat the polygraph? Or was it an attempt to get the conditions on what happened to Wallid and how he died? Is the skill to beat the lie-detector requiring the conditioning of the question (suppose saying he didn't give the razor blade 1000 x in his head)?
3.) Why did Carrie get in the car at the end of the episode? Is she attracted and falling for him (as she seemed to conflicted in interrogation of Brod
Rank: Guest Star
November 7th, 2011 5:37 AM
I will put this simply: Awesome!
Rank: Extra
November 7th, 2011 5:21 AM
Yes, different area of the world, but the south east asian terrorists have ties to middle east, the bali terrorists being just one grp.
Rank: Extra
November 7th, 2011 5:02 AM
At this moment anyone out of everyone could be turned. Whenever i watch a show like this, i keep my mind open for anyone on the show to be a suspect. next weeks promo looks so good!
November 7th, 2011 1:09 AM
Love this show and enjoyed your comments. How is the show in ratings?