If I've said it once I'll say it a thousand times. Clyde Phillips please come back & save this show & send it out on a high note PLEASE!!!!!!!!!
Tamara
December 13th, 2011 6:24 AM
First of all: I loved this season and i loved this episode. But this Deb/Dexter story is just creepy.
I have got an awesome brother. He is just awesome. He helps me when i need him, I can cry on his shoulder,
I could ring him at 3 in the morning, he always listens to me BUT I wouldnt fall in love with him - he is my brother
he is supposed to be nice and helpful. I am aswell, thats what sisters and brothers and your family is for.
I mean of course there are moments when you realize how good they are for your life, yes, but still not a reasing to fall in love
2) Dexter is a shit brother. No i wouldnt say shit, but he is not that awesome brother you
would like to have. When Deb rings him, he doesnt answer the phone or doesnt have time no matter
if she cries or whatever. When she talkes about him its sounds like he is soo good, of course he is,
but i think she over rates that a little bit too much, if you wanna fall in love with a brother
i wouldn take him ;)
3) whats wrong with
Alex
December 12th, 2011 11:22 PM
The Dexter/Deb romance innuendo is fucking retarded. The writing this season is garbage. As far as I'm concerned, this series ended after season 4. That's where it should have ended. I can't wait to see how the writers will fuck up the inevitable moment of Deb finding out about Dexter's dark passenger.
Well, wait, they've already fucked that up because they've shat on 5 season of character development by injecting this thread of incestuous bullshit into the picture. Dexter seasons 1-4, best show of all time. Season 5 and on might as well be a spin off.
I think Louis seduced then killed the blonde intern who initially nabbed "the hand".
I just realized - I don't care about any of the characters anymore! WTF? Batista, his sister, Quinn, LaGuerta...they're just irritating in their own way, but you don't love to hate them. I just wished they were gassed along with the crazy chick. And Masuka, *sigh*. He was the comic relief with his leering, annoying laugh and off-color jokes. Now he's bland, bland, bland. I'd hope he would have a larger role in the Louis storyline, but it's like he's phoning in his lines.
The whole LaGuerta storyline felt contrived from the get-go; just a way to build false tension and get rid of some dead weight (Chief Matthews, reduced screen time of LaGuerta). Both LaGuerta and Deb move up the dept. food-chain, Deb is now Dexter's boss so "the stakes are higher (gasp!) if she finds out about Dexter!"
It was only a matter of time they addressed the Deb/Dexter dynamic, it's been an elephant in the room since the Ice Truck Killer season (Dexter's brother). But the writers kinda fumbled it, going for cheap shock value instead of developing it over time...maybe the actors asked it be addressed after news of their divorce was final.
Che Che
December 12th, 2011 8:28 PM
Remember, the two actors briefly dated/married (2007-2010). Most fans did not know until after the divorce was filed...for a while after that it was kinda weird watching them on screen together.
Lynn
December 12th, 2011 7:59 PM
I think the whole Debra-Dexter is actually ok . I do think they have a great chemistry there, and that might be deeper than we expect .
Dexter isnt supposed to understand love, maybe she'll give him a hand with that. I thought the whole season was about love and relationships anyway (therefore, religion)
Like some kind of Oedipus complex they're working on or something . Maybe it was also like a tease for viewers, knowing those two were married and stuff .
Whether Deb has non-sibling feelings for Dex or not, what the therapist did was a bit cruel. She is totally fucking with Deb's head right now. When someone plants a thought in your brain, it doesn't go away easily. From that moment forward you think about it obsessively and at some point you start thinking it's true. Deb was already in a delicate state.
I'm not sure what I think about this. Like I said last week - I wouldn't be surprised if Deb's feelings were more complex. But I don't see them together. To me, they don't have to be related to be very much "brother and sister".
I don't want Louis to be the new killer next season. He's totally green, Dexter should catch him in five seconds. I wouldn't mind if the writers explored this character in some different way though.
LaGuerta is a bitch, I want someone to kill her.
sim
December 12th, 2011 4:35 PM
when i saw that, i may have thrown up in my mouth a little. i so agree, this is a desperate attempt to deliver shock value to the viewers. but honestly, i think it just grossed us all out.
Sorbo
December 12th, 2011 4:21 PM
Yeah, they're already setting up next year's serial killer, the video-game developer, Louis. Crushed by Dexter's rejection, he goes on a state-wide killing spr...I don't even have the patience anymore for this nonsensical turn of his character.
Somehow, he knows Dex's involvement with Ice Truck, evidenced by his love for the plastic hand/gifting...enter Season 7's BIG.
Roscoe
December 12th, 2011 3:56 PM
I think it was interesting that we see Deb willing to cover up for Matthews, in previous seasons i don't think she would do this, who else could she cover up for.............
TJ143
December 12th, 2011 3:02 PM
I FRACKING love this show (that one is for your Professor Gellar) it’s so suspenseful it sometimes makes my blood pressure rise. I do agree with most of the other reviews here, in that, a Deb & Dexter hookup would be very odd and I feel would take away from the integrity of the show. Almost as if the writers are running out of solid material to work with. I’m just wondering how they are going to finish up all the plots and subplots in one episode? Obviously, it’s going to run into the next season. All-in-all this show never disappoints and is the ONLY reason we ordered Showtime. It really sucked us in!
Dexter and Deb togetehr would be the sickest thing ever.
They've already gone too far with it, please don't go further.
I actually felt sick when the therapist suggested it.
NO NO NO
Deb should find out her BROTHERS secret in the finale, that is where the show was always directed towards!
Rose Cardoso Rank: Extra
December 12th, 2011 2:35 PM
for all the fans including the reviewer.. the set up plot is not a "Debra/Dexter relationship" It is clearly about Louis, his strange fascination with serial killers and his obvious obsession with Dexter. we had to watch the next 2 eps right? Clue 1 was in ep 11, with him packaging the hand to Dexter. Clue 2, I assume will be revealed at some point in the finale. As far as the Debra thing goes.. I think its all an ellaborate ruse to get DEbra to start paying closer attention to how her brother reacts and all his disappearing. The therapist is at fault for her "realizing" those emotions.. you spill your guts to someone and they take what you say and twist it, and then you suddenly look at it differently because you trust the person you are speaking to. I honestly don't see Debra admitting her feelings for Dexter to him either. I did overall enjoy this episode, the prob is that Season 4 was just sooo good, its hard to top that. They tried really hard, bringing in a veteran actor like Olm
Ricarda Gasch Rank: New User
December 12th, 2011 1:59 PM
btw. you mixed up the interns name
in the beginning you called him Lucas (which prompted every commentator to call him that as well) and then you called him Louis which, in fact, would be his correct name ;)
and to the Deb+Dex-thing: no no NO!!!
Anna
December 12th, 2011 1:05 PM
If nothing else this is absolutely the most confusing season of Dexter so far. There seems to be a lot more subplots going than in any other season and many of them have potential to become the major plotline of next year of Dexter. (Lucas? Is he a friend or a foe of Dexter's? Will Deb find out about her brother's secret..)
I really hope Deb finds out about Dexter. Maybe the writers felt that there needs to be more than a sibling connection in order to Deb not spill the beans on her brother when she finds out?
I really hope she finds out that would make this season worthwhile. I kind of hoped someone would've died (even though I love Batista his death would've brought the stakes up big time).
Only thing to be said, NO DEXTER & DEB HOOK-UP.Don't care if they are adopted siblings or not, gross. Stupid for the therapist to even bring that up. If I went to a conciler and that was her interpretation, I would be finding a new one.
Topher
December 12th, 2011 7:31 AM
Well, I almost completely diagree with the reviewer. Firstly, Dexter has always been about Dexter taking a journey with the Dark Passenger. Every other character in the story, feeds into shaping him or his circumstances. Yes, even someone as far removed as La Guerta, who is creating the circumstances to make Deb feel what she is feeling at the moment. what the reviewer needs to understand is that just because a shrink induced this thing into Deb's conscousness, doesn't mean that its the objective 'truth' about Deb and Dex's relationship. Its a cosmetic wholly circumstantial thing that has repurcussions for Dex and Passenger-Dex's journey through life.
I feel its quite tragic that in an episode about two serial killers, christian fanaticism, corrupt policemen and a suicide-poisoning; it is the probably confused notions of an increasing complex character that summons the word 'disgust'. Its not. Actually it adds to the complexity of the characters, and the eventual choices both Deb
Jennifer
December 12th, 2011 7:19 AM
Here's my take: Travis is going to take Harrison, it's going to build and build and build...and then Lucas is going to end up killing Travis and kidnapping Harrison...Dexter will find the box Lucas sent and WHAM...we're brought into next season. ... Lucas has to have been trailing Dexter for some time. And that blonde intern? She's in on SOMETHING! I find it hard to believe that she's gone...
Deb and Dexter...BLECH!
Yashvi
December 12th, 2011 4:12 AM
I wish they would have taken more time to build up on Travis. All of a sudden he's completely nuts. The Gellar twist should have come earlier. But all that's done and this was a decent episode.
Dexter and Debra. That's just gross. I hope Quinn (or anyoneelse for that matter) does something, anything to get her back cause Dexter and Debra ending up together would really be weird.
I did however expect something to happen to Harrison because we saw it with Rita and I honestly feel that he should be by himself. His secret is just too dark. Although I doubt Harrison will die because Dexter parenting a teenager or even a slightly elder child would make an interesting story line.
Looking forward to the finale. :)
Jarrod Mitchell Rank: Leading Character
December 12th, 2011 2:46 AM
I really hope a relationship between Dexter and Debra is not the endgame the show is talking about.
Especially after reading this quote: “There’s things that are going to happen [this season] that will set up a very clear end game that will take two seasons to tell. You have got to be there for the last two episodes".
Jarrod Mitchell Rank: Leading Character
December 12th, 2011 2:40 AM
Also, whoever the 21.8% that voted for a Dexter and Debra relationship, that's really screwed up that you'd promote something such as incest on a show like this.
Jarrod Mitchell Rank: Leading Character
December 12th, 2011 2:39 AM
I didn't think this season was bad, but the second the scene between Deb and her psychiatrist was hinting last week that Debra had feelings for Dexter and when she actually said it, I felt sick to my stomach. Things even hit rock bottom when she had a dream about it. Was this the writers plan? Kill of Rita and make Debra, Dexter's new love interest? Such poor writing. I expected much better from this show after a good solid 5 years (excluding season 3).
As for everyone else:
-Laguerta really is a grade-A and I hope she gets whats coming to her.
-Batista, as much as I am glad he is okay, when does he get a storyline?
-I don't really have anything for Quinn, another then to mature up. Fast!
-Masuka, well, he's always been dead weight, but it'd be great to see some development there.
-Louis, he's really starting to creep me out. What's his ploy?
-Jamie, don't you have anything else to do other than babysit for Dexter? No wonder Sonia quit.
-Travis, I wish you would go away already
Amie
December 12th, 2011 1:31 AM
Well done review. As for the stakes you asked about, one big one (spoiler from the most recently aired episode)is Dexter's son being in danger, since in the clip for next week that seemed to be a possibility. But if by that statement you are referring to what in the episode itself leaves me in suspense, then no, nothing really did, other than wondering if anyone will recognize Dexter in the painting. I hope that nothing happens to Dexter's son. He already lost a wife, it would seem unfair to put the guilt of his son's death on him. Not only that, but it seems unlikely that Travis would kill a child.
As for the Dexter/Deb possibility, that would be unfair to Deb. I hate the fact that there is even a possibility of there being a possibility of them being together. But Deb has already been with one guy who turned out to be a killer, and has had one man she cared about be shot before her eyes. So, we have already had the "Deb dates a killer" Plot-line. And I agree that it is nice having
mkzj
December 12th, 2011 12:50 AM
Some people here are being ridiculous. The need to have those reviewing the show blindly say "it's great" is stupid. So for those who feel anyone who dares disagree with the writers, needs to stop watching the show, you really need to grow the hell up. Not everyone likes what you like and not everyone accepts what you do blindly.
I happen to disgaree with the reviewer. I don't thin it was cliched to let Travis stop, because I do believe he would have stopped for anyone if they asked to be given a chance to pray. He is a religious nutjob and that's what he'd do to justify to himself how he was doing God's work.
The Deb and Dexter thing skeeves me out. In all honesty would anyone think it's weird if Deb relied on a biological brother the way she does on Dexter? Probably not, no one would assume it had to do with romantic feelings, the only reason they do is because they think adopted families are less real than biological ones. So I think the therapist is a stupid bitch when it co
Rank: Extra
December 13th, 2011 7:54 AM
If I've said it once I'll say it a thousand times. Clyde Phillips please come back & save this show & send it out on a high note PLEASE!!!!!!!!!
December 13th, 2011 6:24 AM
First of all: I loved this season and i loved this episode. But this Deb/Dexter story is just creepy.
I have got an awesome brother. He is just awesome. He helps me when i need him, I can cry on his shoulder,
I could ring him at 3 in the morning, he always listens to me BUT I wouldnt fall in love with him - he is my brother
he is supposed to be nice and helpful. I am aswell, thats what sisters and brothers and your family is for.
I mean of course there are moments when you realize how good they are for your life, yes, but still not a reasing to fall in love
2) Dexter is a shit brother. No i wouldnt say shit, but he is not that awesome brother you
would like to have. When Deb rings him, he doesnt answer the phone or doesnt have time no matter
if she cries or whatever. When she talkes about him its sounds like he is soo good, of course he is,
but i think she over rates that a little bit too much, if you wanna fall in love with a brother
i wouldn take him ;)
3) whats wrong with
December 12th, 2011 11:22 PM
The Dexter/Deb romance innuendo is fucking retarded. The writing this season is garbage. As far as I'm concerned, this series ended after season 4. That's where it should have ended. I can't wait to see how the writers will fuck up the inevitable moment of Deb finding out about Dexter's dark passenger.
Well, wait, they've already fucked that up because they've shat on 5 season of character development by injecting this thread of incestuous bullshit into the picture. Dexter seasons 1-4, best show of all time. Season 5 and on might as well be a spin off.
Rank: Extra
December 12th, 2011 9:11 PM
I think Louis seduced then killed the blonde intern who initially nabbed "the hand".
I just realized - I don't care about any of the characters anymore! WTF? Batista, his sister, Quinn, LaGuerta...they're just irritating in their own way, but you don't love to hate them. I just wished they were gassed along with the crazy chick. And Masuka, *sigh*. He was the comic relief with his leering, annoying laugh and off-color jokes. Now he's bland, bland, bland. I'd hope he would have a larger role in the Louis storyline, but it's like he's phoning in his lines.
Rank: Extra
December 12th, 2011 9:03 PM
The whole LaGuerta storyline felt contrived from the get-go; just a way to build false tension and get rid of some dead weight (Chief Matthews, reduced screen time of LaGuerta). Both LaGuerta and Deb move up the dept. food-chain, Deb is now Dexter's boss so "the stakes are higher (gasp!) if she finds out about Dexter!"
It was only a matter of time they addressed the Deb/Dexter dynamic, it's been an elephant in the room since the Ice Truck Killer season (Dexter's brother). But the writers kinda fumbled it, going for cheap shock value instead of developing it over time...maybe the actors asked it be addressed after news of their divorce was final.
December 12th, 2011 8:28 PM
Remember, the two actors briefly dated/married (2007-2010). Most fans did not know until after the divorce was filed...for a while after that it was kinda weird watching them on screen together.
December 12th, 2011 7:59 PM
I think the whole Debra-Dexter is actually ok . I do think they have a great chemistry there, and that might be deeper than we expect .
Dexter isnt supposed to understand love, maybe she'll give him a hand with that. I thought the whole season was about love and relationships anyway (therefore, religion)
Like some kind of Oedipus complex they're working on or something . Maybe it was also like a tease for viewers, knowing those two were married and stuff .
Rank: Guest Star
December 12th, 2011 5:08 PM
Whether Deb has non-sibling feelings for Dex or not, what the therapist did was a bit cruel. She is totally fucking with Deb's head right now. When someone plants a thought in your brain, it doesn't go away easily. From that moment forward you think about it obsessively and at some point you start thinking it's true. Deb was already in a delicate state.
I'm not sure what I think about this. Like I said last week - I wouldn't be surprised if Deb's feelings were more complex. But I don't see them together. To me, they don't have to be related to be very much "brother and sister".
I don't want Louis to be the new killer next season. He's totally green, Dexter should catch him in five seconds. I wouldn't mind if the writers explored this character in some different way though.
LaGuerta is a bitch, I want someone to kill her.
December 12th, 2011 4:35 PM
when i saw that, i may have thrown up in my mouth a little. i so agree, this is a desperate attempt to deliver shock value to the viewers. but honestly, i think it just grossed us all out.
December 12th, 2011 4:21 PM
Yeah, they're already setting up next year's serial killer, the video-game developer, Louis. Crushed by Dexter's rejection, he goes on a state-wide killing spr...I don't even have the patience anymore for this nonsensical turn of his character.
Somehow, he knows Dex's involvement with Ice Truck, evidenced by his love for the plastic hand/gifting...enter Season 7's BIG.
December 12th, 2011 3:56 PM
I think it was interesting that we see Deb willing to cover up for Matthews, in previous seasons i don't think she would do this, who else could she cover up for.............
December 12th, 2011 3:02 PM
I FRACKING love this show (that one is for your Professor Gellar) it’s so suspenseful it sometimes makes my blood pressure rise. I do agree with most of the other reviews here, in that, a Deb & Dexter hookup would be very odd and I feel would take away from the integrity of the show. Almost as if the writers are running out of solid material to work with. I’m just wondering how they are going to finish up all the plots and subplots in one episode? Obviously, it’s going to run into the next season. All-in-all this show never disappoints and is the ONLY reason we ordered Showtime. It really sucked us in!
Rank: Extra
December 12th, 2011 2:41 PM
Dexter and Deb togetehr would be the sickest thing ever.
They've already gone too far with it, please don't go further.
I actually felt sick when the therapist suggested it.
NO NO NO
Deb should find out her BROTHERS secret in the finale, that is where the show was always directed towards!
Rank: Extra
December 12th, 2011 2:35 PM
for all the fans including the reviewer.. the set up plot is not a "Debra/Dexter relationship" It is clearly about Louis, his strange fascination with serial killers and his obvious obsession with Dexter. we had to watch the next 2 eps right? Clue 1 was in ep 11, with him packaging the hand to Dexter. Clue 2, I assume will be revealed at some point in the finale. As far as the Debra thing goes.. I think its all an ellaborate ruse to get DEbra to start paying closer attention to how her brother reacts and all his disappearing. The therapist is at fault for her "realizing" those emotions.. you spill your guts to someone and they take what you say and twist it, and then you suddenly look at it differently because you trust the person you are speaking to. I honestly don't see Debra admitting her feelings for Dexter to him either. I did overall enjoy this episode, the prob is that Season 4 was just sooo good, its hard to top that. They tried really hard, bringing in a veteran actor like Olm
Rank: New User
December 12th, 2011 1:59 PM
btw. you mixed up the interns name
in the beginning you called him Lucas (which prompted every commentator to call him that as well) and then you called him Louis which, in fact, would be his correct name ;)
and to the Deb+Dex-thing: no no NO!!!
December 12th, 2011 1:05 PM
If nothing else this is absolutely the most confusing season of Dexter so far. There seems to be a lot more subplots going than in any other season and many of them have potential to become the major plotline of next year of Dexter. (Lucas? Is he a friend or a foe of Dexter's? Will Deb find out about her brother's secret..)
I really hope Deb finds out about Dexter. Maybe the writers felt that there needs to be more than a sibling connection in order to Deb not spill the beans on her brother when she finds out?
I really hope she finds out that would make this season worthwhile. I kind of hoped someone would've died (even though I love Batista his death would've brought the stakes up big time).
Rank: Extra
December 12th, 2011 11:51 AM
Only thing to be said, NO DEXTER & DEB HOOK-UP.Don't care if they are adopted siblings or not, gross. Stupid for the therapist to even bring that up. If I went to a conciler and that was her interpretation, I would be finding a new one.
December 12th, 2011 7:31 AM
Well, I almost completely diagree with the reviewer. Firstly, Dexter has always been about Dexter taking a journey with the Dark Passenger. Every other character in the story, feeds into shaping him or his circumstances. Yes, even someone as far removed as La Guerta, who is creating the circumstances to make Deb feel what she is feeling at the moment. what the reviewer needs to understand is that just because a shrink induced this thing into Deb's conscousness, doesn't mean that its the objective 'truth' about Deb and Dex's relationship. Its a cosmetic wholly circumstantial thing that has repurcussions for Dex and Passenger-Dex's journey through life.
I feel its quite tragic that in an episode about two serial killers, christian fanaticism, corrupt policemen and a suicide-poisoning; it is the probably confused notions of an increasing complex character that summons the word 'disgust'. Its not. Actually it adds to the complexity of the characters, and the eventual choices both Deb
December 12th, 2011 7:19 AM
Here's my take: Travis is going to take Harrison, it's going to build and build and build...and then Lucas is going to end up killing Travis and kidnapping Harrison...Dexter will find the box Lucas sent and WHAM...we're brought into next season. ... Lucas has to have been trailing Dexter for some time. And that blonde intern? She's in on SOMETHING! I find it hard to believe that she's gone...
Deb and Dexter...BLECH!
December 12th, 2011 4:12 AM
I wish they would have taken more time to build up on Travis. All of a sudden he's completely nuts. The Gellar twist should have come earlier. But all that's done and this was a decent episode.
Dexter and Debra. That's just gross. I hope Quinn (or anyoneelse for that matter) does something, anything to get her back cause Dexter and Debra ending up together would really be weird.
I did however expect something to happen to Harrison because we saw it with Rita and I honestly feel that he should be by himself. His secret is just too dark. Although I doubt Harrison will die because Dexter parenting a teenager or even a slightly elder child would make an interesting story line.
Looking forward to the finale. :)
Rank: Leading Character
December 12th, 2011 2:46 AM
I really hope a relationship between Dexter and Debra is not the endgame the show is talking about.
Especially after reading this quote: “There’s things that are going to happen [this season] that will set up a very clear end game that will take two seasons to tell. You have got to be there for the last two episodes".
Rank: Leading Character
December 12th, 2011 2:40 AM
Also, whoever the 21.8% that voted for a Dexter and Debra relationship, that's really screwed up that you'd promote something such as incest on a show like this.
Rank: Leading Character
December 12th, 2011 2:39 AM
I didn't think this season was bad, but the second the scene between Deb and her psychiatrist was hinting last week that Debra had feelings for Dexter and when she actually said it, I felt sick to my stomach. Things even hit rock bottom when she had a dream about it. Was this the writers plan? Kill of Rita and make Debra, Dexter's new love interest? Such poor writing. I expected much better from this show after a good solid 5 years (excluding season 3).
As for everyone else:
-Laguerta really is a grade-A and I hope she gets whats coming to her.
-Batista, as much as I am glad he is okay, when does he get a storyline?
-I don't really have anything for Quinn, another then to mature up. Fast!
-Masuka, well, he's always been dead weight, but it'd be great to see some development there.
-Louis, he's really starting to creep me out. What's his ploy?
-Jamie, don't you have anything else to do other than babysit for Dexter? No wonder Sonia quit.
-Travis, I wish you would go away already
December 12th, 2011 1:31 AM
Well done review. As for the stakes you asked about, one big one (spoiler from the most recently aired episode)is Dexter's son being in danger, since in the clip for next week that seemed to be a possibility. But if by that statement you are referring to what in the episode itself leaves me in suspense, then no, nothing really did, other than wondering if anyone will recognize Dexter in the painting. I hope that nothing happens to Dexter's son. He already lost a wife, it would seem unfair to put the guilt of his son's death on him. Not only that, but it seems unlikely that Travis would kill a child.
As for the Dexter/Deb possibility, that would be unfair to Deb. I hate the fact that there is even a possibility of there being a possibility of them being together. But Deb has already been with one guy who turned out to be a killer, and has had one man she cared about be shot before her eyes. So, we have already had the "Deb dates a killer" Plot-line. And I agree that it is nice having
December 12th, 2011 12:50 AM
Some people here are being ridiculous. The need to have those reviewing the show blindly say "it's great" is stupid. So for those who feel anyone who dares disagree with the writers, needs to stop watching the show, you really need to grow the hell up. Not everyone likes what you like and not everyone accepts what you do blindly.
I happen to disgaree with the reviewer. I don't thin it was cliched to let Travis stop, because I do believe he would have stopped for anyone if they asked to be given a chance to pray. He is a religious nutjob and that's what he'd do to justify to himself how he was doing God's work.
The Deb and Dexter thing skeeves me out. In all honesty would anyone think it's weird if Deb relied on a biological brother the way she does on Dexter? Probably not, no one would assume it had to do with romantic feelings, the only reason they do is because they think adopted families are less real than biological ones. So I think the therapist is a stupid bitch when it co