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i have to admit that they didn't build up to the quinn car crash very well, but i think thats what made me love it even more. i wasn't expecting quinn to get hurt, i was expecting her to make it to the wedding at the last minute befor rachel walked down the aisle. in those last moments when it showed her driving in the car in her bridesmaid dress on her way to the wedding i was excited and happy that she was going to support her friends getting married. finally the old quinn i love was back. then when i saw her pick up that phone from the seat my smile faded, my heart sank, and the tears filled my eyes. in that moment i knew something was going to happen, and when it did i broke down completely. the tears have barely dried from my eyes and they will most likely keep coming for the next 7 weeks until i know that quinn is ok or not.
My only problem is that this show is becoming the teenage gay show. There are other problems that teens have. Sam being homeless, being a minority in a predominately white school, why is the rich new girl buying her friends? If you are going to show high school and show its problems. show all of it and make it truly dynamic, make it fun and funny, troubling, sad and joyful but for everyone because we were all there once.
I like the way they handled it Karofsky had always been on the periphery. In other words, no one was thinking about him. The same way he was feeling, like nothing forgotten. Kurt was the only person he could actually relate to. So he acted on his crush which was brave but being ultimately rejected, at a different school, feeling like he was nothing that kind of self-loathing as a teenager is not unsual. it was handled well, especially the scene with the adults at school. Powerful. Glee is not a serial. its episodic in its nature so storylines can be inserted and still have continuity.
DCBWrote: "As for the Q-crash, yeah we saw that one coming down the street."
OK, your bad pun aside , I guess my eyesight's a bit better than yours--I saw that from SPACE. :-)
It just keeps getting more predictable; Karofksy holding a belt? Saw the hang-man coming, texting and driving? Knew a truck would appear out of nowhere.
They're running out of ideas; up next: Disney week! (though i wouldn't mind a redenption of I won't say I'm in love from Hercules...)
Even better: murder in school property á la American Horror Story circa 1994
As a mom of a teen daughter who identifies as a lesbian and as a mom of a teen daughter whose best friend attempted suicide last summer due to her own sexual identity issues I have to applaud the attempt to deal with this subject. It was very close to home and made for uncomfortable viewing for all the right reasons. I think they handled the different-issues-for-different-kids angle really well and if it makes one student stop and think instead of insulting my daughter for who she chooses to kiss then Bravo!!
I didn't have much of a problem with the portrayal of the suicide attempt itself and its direct handling though I do agree with Nina that Karofsky and family should have been shown getting professional help. My problem was that I felt this plot was relegated to a B plot while Regionals and the team were the A plot. I think if you do something as shocking and emotional as showing a gay teen attempting suicide, the whole episode should revolve around that and its aftermath. This should have been treated the same way Burt's heart attack was, as a life-changing moment in someone's life, even if it only affected Kurt. Having the episode as a character study or even a situation study would have been much more effective, musical or not. Like the reviewer said, if this episode led to one person getting help, it was worth it. I hope that anyone reading this knows that if you are in that kind of dark place, you should reach out for help.
I'm glad an episode finally pleased you. I thought it was a bit preachy, but at least in a positive way. I still enjoyed the banter and the music, I thought the Warblers were fantastic I even wanted to hear more form the Golden Goblets, or whatever the kids from "Our Lady of Perpetual Sorrows" were called.
My real problem is an ongoing one. The one liners, specifically Rory and Brittany. They talk too fast, or perhaps are edited too tight. Rarely do I catch what they are saying without backing up the DVR and running it by a couple more times.
As for the Q-crash, yeah we saw that one coming down the street. But since they rarely do cliffhangers on this show, doing one now and again is not so bad.
Dude, I do not want a build up to a cliffhanger. That is so Ryan Seacrest on Ameican Idol. It doesn't build suspense, just boredom. I liked the Shock Value of what they did. The Karovsky suicide attempt was pretty obvious, but very sad. I'm glad he didn't actually die. What agitated me was that most of the things that happened in the trailer for this week's episode didn't actually happen ON yesterday's episode. But I liked the musical numbers, and the story line. I really enjoyed it and cannot wait until April 10th!
I feel that they just glossed over everything that Kurt went through these past seasons. I feel bad that Karofsky felt like suicide was his only option but the way they handled it made me hate Glee. Given the past history that they share Kurt should not be the one to deal with Karofsky.
I'm sure there are kids like Karofsky out there in need of help but so there are kids like Kurt. Good kids who get bullied while not succumbing to becoming bullies themselves. Is Glee's message that they should just endure and forgive their bullies because they are the ones really in need of help?
The absolute worst about this episode was how they didn't even show Karofsky getting professional help.
It's sad that the only things that I liked about this episode were Sugar (loved Sugar's and Blaine's love for the vampire judge), Rachel's dads, Cough Syrup, Stronger (not the random dancers though) and few background moments.
I think it's really offensive to call Karofsky's suicide attempt 'pathetic' or the writing of it etc. Some people are stronger than others, Kurt's father accepted his sexuality, David's mother thinks it's a 'disease' - he was a 'jock' and had different 'expectations' thrust on him than Kurt did (who's pretty much always been openly gay..?). You can't judge someone's actions based on your view of them, you don't know how (if he was a real person and not a fictional character) he was feeling. Kurt was stronger and had things to pull him through (dreams and support from the glee club/his father).
Some people will think Will's 'almost-suicide' is ridiculous, but it's not a contest of who is the most depressed and most 'deserving' of that title - human emotion is complex and like Will says, everyone has that something that could lead them to that ledge.
I disagree, I think they did build up to the car accident, with the episode almost centered around Quinn in a way. Her reaction to Karofsky's suicide attempt, her wanting back in the Cheerio's, her finally deciding to go to the wedding etc. I almost feel like it's been building since the beginning of this series/season.
In response to her having the bridesmaid dress at home, I assumed that Rachel & Finn had got them all for the girls and had given them to them 'just in case' and she kept it because she was still deciding.
My issues aside, Max gave the performance of a lifetime last night. Truly remarkable. He should be proud of himself for that. I also thought it provided us with some great scenes. Mr.Shue having a real,honest,pure sitdown with his students reminded me of how great of a teacher he used to be before he became that guy who writes the theme down on the board every week. I loved how authentic that scene was. Also Dave and Kurt chatting in the hospital...fantastic scene.
Concur w/ review. It is difficult to speak negatively about an episode that tackled such a serious topic. I did feel emotionally manipulated.I was literally watching in horror and saying "no "repeatedly during that scene. Because it's an intense topic to cover with a character whom we've hardly seen since last year. It left too much to the imagination too much offscreen. It was impactful but it probably should have been more so if we seen more of the build up or some of the more personal stuff for David's character specifically afterward. So in regards to actually storytellig it was a bit lazy and they sacrificed the journey for the gutwrenching result and overall message. Same goes for Quinn. It was predictable for starters so I was waiting for it to happen rather than wondering if it would. It was again emotionally exploitive and a cheap trick to give a cliffhanger. Can't say that I hated the episode given the subject matter.it gave us great scenes and was relatively solid.
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Artie who will probably help her through the fact that she isn't going to be able to end her time in high school on the Cheerios and encourage her to be optimistic, even though he himself is constantly depressed about not being able to walk or dance. Then in the end, she'll somehow get to end the year in a Cheerios routine, possibly still in the wheelchair, because Sue has suddenly become sympathetic to Quinn (because Karofsky attempted suicide? why did that event make all of the villains nice?). And THAT is my guess for Quinn's story arc the rest of this season.
I don't think Quinn is going to die, though she seems to be the one character who ends up in the hospital at some point every season (baby in Season 1, nose thing with Rachel in Season 2, and probably this accident in Season 3). She'll probably end up in a wheelchair, at least for awhile, and connect with Artie (even though there was never any bad blood between them, but at least this forces a connection between two characters who really have never interacted).
I feel like Josh (below) read my mind for the most part. While the beginning (the suicide attempt) ultimately had a solid message, and we know that Glee is not necessarily for the kids, I still thought it was a bit much for what is generally a family show. The author states that Glee usually avoids the really serious topics, so it was a bit of a jolt when a character on the show not only attempts suicide, but it is actually shown happening.
@Aquariuz (=liarsunited): I wasn't being sarcastic with my "AP" line. I'm serious in how I explain my job: I'm not reporting on hard news here. I don't require writers to meet any kind of professional standard. I ask them to keep their own voice and go with a steam of consciousness kind of style, like a friend talking to other friends about a show.
I also wasn't being sarcastic when I said it's fine for those who like PSA-style episodes. It is fine. I don't judge them. I just don't like them myself.
For whatever reason, you're reading a variety of my lines as sarcastic when they are written seriously.
It will be interesting to see on April 10th where they come back in the timeline (aka will it be right after the accident; right before Finchel say "I do" to let them know of the accident; a month after the accident and coping with the situation; at her funeral?) That is really the only thing that is interesting going forward, but it is sad at the same time because it feels like that was the only way the writers thought would encourage people to continue watching until the season finale.
(Sorry it was so long, I have been wanting to comment for awhile and decided this episode was the perfect time to get everything off my chest.)
As Matt would say, this was the writers way of glossing over important story plots to get to the end result...aka Dianna Agron's character dying. Since she has been on Glee, her stock in Hollywood has gone way up and with more impending movie roles, she does not have time for the show anymore, hence her graduating and going on to Yale. That would have been fine doing it that way and allowing her to possibly make a guest appearance in upcoming seasons, but it seems like she is ready to move on to the big screen permanently. I could be wrong, and she could survive the crash but be either paralyzed like Artie or in a coma, but I see them killing her off and using that as "inspiration" to win Nationals. How does that effect other stories...who knows?
Not even going to mention the Sue pregnancy thing, that just seems like the only way she's going to be on the show at this point. Yes, she will have a few classic one-liners, but her character has gone down hill since her sister passed away. With Quinn dead, and yes I said she's dead, (I will explain in a second), it might bring her back to an extent but only temporarily.
Third, onto the car accident "cliffhanger". How is that a cliffhanger when as soon as they showed her in a car texting and the episode was only minutes from ending, everyone knew she was going to be in an accident! Especially when from the first moment the Finchel wedding was announced, she opposed it and came to a Glee-stereotypical "epiphany" moment that she would support it, she had to go home to get her bridesmaid dress?! Really? If she opposed it from the beginning, why would she even have a bridesmaid dress?!
With that said, are we supposed to believe that because Sebastian mocked Karofsky himself that all of a sudden due to all of his guilt he decides to have a complete change of heart and not do anything to take down the New Directions? That the rock salt slushie, stealing music, photoshop pics, insults, etc. are just over and now having a "can't we all just get along" mentality when he is supposed to be the enemy since clearly Sue no longer wants to take the glee club down?! Really?
Second, to go with the poor writing, which to give an example Two and a Half Men has gone way down hill because the writers/producers have too many shows to focus on and do not commit to good writing and the same goes for the writers/producers of Glee, they are focused on making American Horror Story and other projects their main focus. They think that because Glee has turned into a "iTunes phenomenon" that people will continue to watch by the millions even if the stories are not up to the 1st and part of the 2nd seasons...
Now to the episode...Matt is absolutely right about it being a PSA. I wish they would have led in with a disclaimer stating the "serious" issues that were going to be addressed in the next hour. First, Karofsky said exactly what I said to my wife 15 minutes before he said it, "He tortured Kurt for months, while Kurt did not attempt suicide, while he gets a small dose himself, and tries to off himself"...it's pathetic, sad, but pathetic.
First off, I think the reviewer of this show has been right on the money every single week, especially this season. Secondly, the people that constantly bash him either do not read the reviews or do not understand that if a reviewer/critic showed a favorable bias to a show, it would not be a constructive review. Even if the writers do not read any of these reviews, and based on the episodes this season, they obviously have not, critics are paid to give their open and honest opinion. They have the experience and knowledge to know what is good entertainment and what isn't.
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