Hawaii Five-0 Review: Return of The Bromance Comments (Page 2)
118 Comments
jschoi
February 23rd, 2012 11:35 PM
@gaella...I looked this up awhile back because I had heard it used on the show before, it's shootz and it is Hawaiian slang for ok or yes.
gaella
February 23rd, 2012 11:09 PM
OK why did Kono sign off with Chin with a German "schusse"? Was it a shout out to Lauren German? Loved the show...except McGarrett at the end scenes; he seemed drunk! His personality is the tightly wound serious focused guy and he was all expansive and yelling and calling Kono "Hey you"....what was up with that?
YIISD
February 23rd, 2012 5:02 PM
I am SO GLAD Lori is gone. She interfered with the chemistry of Steve and Danny and the last episode began the trip back to what made the series a success in the beginning. I must say they REALLY NEED SOME BETTER WRITERS! The stories are beginning to be too predictable.
I really like the show and the cast members are great.
jschoi
February 23rd, 2012 4:54 PM
Continued, in advertising new products are often released in a few markets to test before widespread release. Some TV shows are show in limited markets before before they are introduced nationwide. Small numbers frequently used to project success or failure.
jschoi
February 23rd, 2012 4:48 PM
Small numbers are used as a gauge to project everything from political elections to advertising and yes media. I don't live in the US but I know they are having election and winner are projected on a very small sampling with amazing accuracy, and that same process is likely used in media. So a small sampling can determine what direction a show takes. I don't think CBS would make a major change in any show if they didn't feel they had sufficient data to do so.
Boston Kathy
February 23rd, 2012 3:35 PM
@Kelly: Yes, there was fluctuation in the ratings last season as well and the two lowest rated episodes of the series were in the Spring. This season from Episode 213 until last week's episode...the trajectory wasn't fluctuating ...it was just going down. I stand by my 'theory' based on the actual numbers for those episodes. I believe that shows suceed because they have a base of core viewers and over time when a show is good that base grows (NCIS being a case in point). We can agree to disagree since it is doubtful that either of us is going to change our opinions.
kelly
February 23rd, 2012 3:04 PM
Boston Kathy@
The ratings also fluctuated last season where there was no Lori and the latter part of the season had lower ratings than season two, so its highly unlikely that fluctuations can be attributed to just one character. Ratings can fluctuate for many reasons and we've had episodes with poor writing and weak storylines and every episode will not appeal to everyone in the same way.
I felt 2.16 was one of the best episodes of the season and offered more to the general audience than previous episodes, therefore encouraging more viewership for the following week and its the casual viewer that determines the ratings.
But viewers will tune in and tune out for many reasons and it's highly unlikely that you can attribute fluctuations to just one cause, or that a mere handful of online fans reflect the opinions of 9-10 million viewers.
Zeo
February 23rd, 2012 3:03 PM
I liked the episode and the bromance but I still miss Lori. I want her back.
martinelli Rank: Regular Character
February 23rd, 2012 9:04 AM
@Jeffrey Sean Keith - I was thinking about you. You were always defending Lori and I was really curious to find out how do you see the last episode. I'm glad you are here and you see the difference. Your comment is great. Thank you.
azziria
February 23rd, 2012 4:23 AM
Yes, a good episode will improve the ratings for the following one, but 2.15 was a good episode but still didn't result in a big ratings upswing for 2.16. 2.16 was also a good episode, but I think that the upswing for 2.17 is due to more than that - I do think that it's partly people hearing that Lori is gone and deciding to give the show another try, but also it's due to people who were trying out Smash returning to the H50 fold (the poorer ratings for 2.15 and 2.16 were, I think, more Smash-related than Lori-related).
Hopefully 2.17 contained enough of what originally made the show great to encourage the returners to stay. I have to say that the promo for 2.18 looks promising :)
Shirley Kilmer
February 22nd, 2012 11:12 PM
Thank you for finally eliminating the additional 2 cast members that were added this season. I hope all thse who stopped watching the show will now return when they hear that the original "core 4" stars are back in full force. Please don't mess with a good thing again. These guys are great together...let us enjoy them.
Jeffrey Sean Keith
February 22nd, 2012 10:18 PM
So after taking many hours away from this site I thought I would tell you guys that you were right and you win it was a great episode,everything was awesome the carguments,the bromance,Gabby and Grace,the ending scene,of Ohuna the oneness of the team(Core Four)and Book em with a towel,: priceless! The feel,rythem and soul of season 1 was there and the writing was back, but I can't help but feel that if they had provided Lori with better writing,character development,story direction without interfering or interupting the chemistry they could have made everyone happy,they had such great potential,if she does come back they must do those elements or not all! Sorry this is so long, but I was trying to find the right words to say,love ya all. Long live Hawaii Five-o
nina
February 22nd, 2012 8:35 PM
me gusto este capitulo por que me recordó la primera temporada los cuatro como OHANA como siempre debió ser sin Lori, ademas que su conexión con Steve era taaaan falsa,(en serio me cargan los capítulos donde aparece) pero fui fiel a la serie porque estaban mis cuatro favoritos!!!
amazingalex Rank: Regular Character
February 22nd, 2012 8:30 PM
@mark..actually that was discussed and I thought he did a great job. Some others said the same thing earlier in the posts.
Mark
February 22nd, 2012 8:18 PM
Kind of shocked nobody noted Shane Victorino (native Hawaiian) had a guest spot at the opening of the episode. I know from reading on here a common complaint is not enough natives, especially during the Lori episodes.
jschoi
February 22nd, 2012 6:31 PM
A handful of internet fans made CBS remove Lauren German from the show?
Boston Kathy Rank: Extra
February 22nd, 2012 5:55 PM
@Kelly: Many people stopped watching the show live so they could fast forward through the cringe scenes. Other tried to stay with the show hoping that the Lori character would be gone. I believe that starting with Episode 13...supposedly Lori's last episode some people lost hope. If you look at the ratings there was a definite downward trend.
2.13 2.9 in demo and 11.9M viewers
2.14 2.8 in demo and 10.73M viewers
2.15 2.7 in demo and 9.97M viewers
2.16 2.7 in demo and 9.70M viewers
That trend reversed with 2.17 since the final numbers are out and H5O was adjusted up to 2.9 in demo and 10.4M viewers. The overwhelming reaction to 2.17 on every site...is proof positive that the loyal fan base is a H5O fanbase and not a "just Lori" fanbase. I don't think she contributed anything to the show and the focus on her detracted from the work of the others...particularly Alex.
kelly
February 22nd, 2012 5:09 PM
Amazingalex@
An average of 10 million viewers have been tuning in this season so that to me confirms that they have been pretty happy with what the season has offered so far. If casual fans don't like what they are watching they'll just change the channel and watch something else. They're not going to keep watching in the hope that the show might change and give them what they want. A handful of passionate internet fans are just a drop in the ocean and really don't have any impact on the overall ratings.
If the season so far was half as bad as some say, then the ratings would have already plummetted. There is probably a myriad of reasons why fans watch and what some fans consider their favourite thing about the show, others could consider it the worst.
amazingalex Rank: Regular Character
February 22nd, 2012 1:56 PM
@Kelly..I continued to tune in because I love the show, but it was affected by adding a fifth member. You may not think that but alot of us do. That does not mean that we are gonna turn the show off, it just means we patiently waited for it to be fixed. That makes us loyal fans who did not want the show's ratings to suffer because of one temporary character.
kelly
February 22nd, 2012 1:31 PM
The ratings normally reflect the previous episode. 2.16 was one of the best episodes of the season so the next episode tends to get good numbers. The ratings have remained steady for the entire season and are up on the latter part of last season and this wouldnt be the case if the show was as lacking as some fandom viewers seem to think. Most casual viewers will not have been bothered by Lori or by Joe or Jenna or any lack of bromance. They continue to tune in because overall the show is well done and entertaining and the characters appealing, and the show has offered that all season.
amazingalex Rank: Regular Character
February 22nd, 2012 1:31 PM
@nadriss. exactly!!! That is why I enjoyed it as well.
amazingalex Rank: Regular Character
February 22nd, 2012 1:05 PM
@plainjane..yes it was so great to see our show back. I actually felt emotional, I know that sounds crazy but I missed this show so much. It was my one hour I could escape to hawaii every week with a cast I loved and then bam it was all gone, it was like a completely different show. BUT it is back now and I am not gonna look back anymore. Just forward. I cannot wait for the rest of the season now!! :)
Nadriss
February 22nd, 2012 4:24 AM
This episode was incredible, not in the intrigue, i think it was simple but in the relations between our OHANA. I'm glad and completely satisfied.
Plain Jane
February 21st, 2012 11:40 PM
@Darlene Stahl
Lori's connection to Steve? What connection? They had nothing.
@amazingalex and Dec7
Isn't it fantastic how fast the show rebounded after all these months? It was fantastic to see the carguments, the bromance, and the return of the ohana. This is what we fell in love with.
wednesday
February 21st, 2012 10:58 PM
@jschoi- You took the words right out of my mouth. I've never seen someone tear apart a show so much before. I GOOD show at that. First he saying he's glad to see the bromance back then he complains that there's too much. Are you kidding me! I loved every moment of it. They're trying to make up for lack of it for most of the season.
@jlopie- Agreed with everything you said as well except the part of Joe. Lori I definitely don't miss, but I really liked the father/son relationship that Joe & Steve have. I'll be glad when they resolve the Shelburne/WoFat storyline and move on to something else, but I would still like to see Joe make appearances from time to time to help out with cases.
@ Jamie- What a great way to open the episode with an Elvis song. Rock-a-Hula is from his movie Blue Hawaii which is one of mine & my mom's favorite Elvis movies. We couldn't stop smiling. Fit the show perfectly.
Danny Williams: Sinead O'Connor called, she wants her hairstyle back.
February 23rd, 2012 11:35 PM
@gaella...I looked this up awhile back because I had heard it used on the show before, it's shootz and it is Hawaiian slang for ok or yes.
February 23rd, 2012 11:09 PM
OK why did Kono sign off with Chin with a German "schusse"? Was it a shout out to Lauren German? Loved the show...except McGarrett at the end scenes; he seemed drunk! His personality is the tightly wound serious focused guy and he was all expansive and yelling and calling Kono "Hey you"....what was up with that?
February 23rd, 2012 5:02 PM
I am SO GLAD Lori is gone. She interfered with the chemistry of Steve and Danny and the last episode began the trip back to what made the series a success in the beginning. I must say they REALLY NEED SOME BETTER WRITERS! The stories are beginning to be too predictable.
I really like the show and the cast members are great.
February 23rd, 2012 4:54 PM
Continued, in advertising new products are often released in a few markets to test before widespread release. Some TV shows are show in limited markets before before they are introduced nationwide. Small numbers frequently used to project success or failure.
February 23rd, 2012 4:48 PM
Small numbers are used as a gauge to project everything from political elections to advertising and yes media. I don't live in the US but I know they are having election and winner are projected on a very small sampling with amazing accuracy, and that same process is likely used in media. So a small sampling can determine what direction a show takes. I don't think CBS would make a major change in any show if they didn't feel they had sufficient data to do so.
February 23rd, 2012 3:35 PM
@Kelly: Yes, there was fluctuation in the ratings last season as well and the two lowest rated episodes of the series were in the Spring. This season from Episode 213 until last week's episode...the trajectory wasn't fluctuating ...it was just going down. I stand by my 'theory' based on the actual numbers for those episodes. I believe that shows suceed because they have a base of core viewers and over time when a show is good that base grows (NCIS being a case in point). We can agree to disagree since it is doubtful that either of us is going to change our opinions.
February 23rd, 2012 3:04 PM
Boston Kathy@
The ratings also fluctuated last season where there was no Lori and the latter part of the season had lower ratings than season two, so its highly unlikely that fluctuations can be attributed to just one character. Ratings can fluctuate for many reasons and we've had episodes with poor writing and weak storylines and every episode will not appeal to everyone in the same way.
I felt 2.16 was one of the best episodes of the season and offered more to the general audience than previous episodes, therefore encouraging more viewership for the following week and its the casual viewer that determines the ratings.
But viewers will tune in and tune out for many reasons and it's highly unlikely that you can attribute fluctuations to just one cause, or that a mere handful of online fans reflect the opinions of 9-10 million viewers.
February 23rd, 2012 3:03 PM
I liked the episode and the bromance but I still miss Lori. I want her back.
Rank: Regular Character
February 23rd, 2012 9:04 AM
@Jeffrey Sean Keith - I was thinking about you. You were always defending Lori and I was really curious to find out how do you see the last episode. I'm glad you are here and you see the difference. Your comment is great. Thank you.
February 23rd, 2012 4:23 AM
Yes, a good episode will improve the ratings for the following one, but 2.15 was a good episode but still didn't result in a big ratings upswing for 2.16. 2.16 was also a good episode, but I think that the upswing for 2.17 is due to more than that - I do think that it's partly people hearing that Lori is gone and deciding to give the show another try, but also it's due to people who were trying out Smash returning to the H50 fold (the poorer ratings for 2.15 and 2.16 were, I think, more Smash-related than Lori-related).
Hopefully 2.17 contained enough of what originally made the show great to encourage the returners to stay. I have to say that the promo for 2.18 looks promising :)
February 22nd, 2012 11:12 PM
Thank you for finally eliminating the additional 2 cast members that were added this season. I hope all thse who stopped watching the show will now return when they hear that the original "core 4" stars are back in full force. Please don't mess with a good thing again. These guys are great together...let us enjoy them.
February 22nd, 2012 10:18 PM
So after taking many hours away from this site I thought I would tell you guys that you were right and you win it was a great episode,everything was awesome the carguments,the bromance,Gabby and Grace,the ending scene,of Ohuna the oneness of the team(Core Four)and Book em with a towel,: priceless! The feel,rythem and soul of season 1 was there and the writing was back, but I can't help but feel that if they had provided Lori with better writing,character development,story direction without interfering or interupting the chemistry they could have made everyone happy,they had such great potential,if she does come back they must do those elements or not all! Sorry this is so long, but I was trying to find the right words to say,love ya all. Long live Hawaii Five-o
February 22nd, 2012 8:35 PM
me gusto este capitulo por que me recordó la primera temporada los cuatro como OHANA como siempre debió ser sin Lori, ademas que su conexión con Steve era taaaan falsa,(en serio me cargan los capítulos donde aparece) pero fui fiel a la serie porque estaban mis cuatro favoritos!!!
Rank: Regular Character
February 22nd, 2012 8:30 PM
@mark..actually that was discussed and I thought he did a great job. Some others said the same thing earlier in the posts.
February 22nd, 2012 8:18 PM
Kind of shocked nobody noted Shane Victorino (native Hawaiian) had a guest spot at the opening of the episode. I know from reading on here a common complaint is not enough natives, especially during the Lori episodes.
February 22nd, 2012 6:31 PM
A handful of internet fans made CBS remove Lauren German from the show?
Rank: Extra
February 22nd, 2012 5:55 PM
@Kelly: Many people stopped watching the show live so they could fast forward through the cringe scenes. Other tried to stay with the show hoping that the Lori character would be gone. I believe that starting with Episode 13...supposedly Lori's last episode some people lost hope. If you look at the ratings there was a definite downward trend.
2.13 2.9 in demo and 11.9M viewers
2.14 2.8 in demo and 10.73M viewers
2.15 2.7 in demo and 9.97M viewers
2.16 2.7 in demo and 9.70M viewers
That trend reversed with 2.17 since the final numbers are out and H5O was adjusted up to 2.9 in demo and 10.4M viewers. The overwhelming reaction to 2.17 on every site...is proof positive that the loyal fan base is a H5O fanbase and not a "just Lori" fanbase. I don't think she contributed anything to the show and the focus on her detracted from the work of the others...particularly Alex.
February 22nd, 2012 5:09 PM
Amazingalex@
An average of 10 million viewers have been tuning in this season so that to me confirms that they have been pretty happy with what the season has offered so far. If casual fans don't like what they are watching they'll just change the channel and watch something else. They're not going to keep watching in the hope that the show might change and give them what they want. A handful of passionate internet fans are just a drop in the ocean and really don't have any impact on the overall ratings.
If the season so far was half as bad as some say, then the ratings would have already plummetted. There is probably a myriad of reasons why fans watch and what some fans consider their favourite thing about the show, others could consider it the worst.
Rank: Regular Character
February 22nd, 2012 1:56 PM
@Kelly..I continued to tune in because I love the show, but it was affected by adding a fifth member. You may not think that but alot of us do. That does not mean that we are gonna turn the show off, it just means we patiently waited for it to be fixed. That makes us loyal fans who did not want the show's ratings to suffer because of one temporary character.
February 22nd, 2012 1:31 PM
The ratings normally reflect the previous episode. 2.16 was one of the best episodes of the season so the next episode tends to get good numbers. The ratings have remained steady for the entire season and are up on the latter part of last season and this wouldnt be the case if the show was as lacking as some fandom viewers seem to think. Most casual viewers will not have been bothered by Lori or by Joe or Jenna or any lack of bromance. They continue to tune in because overall the show is well done and entertaining and the characters appealing, and the show has offered that all season.
Rank: Regular Character
February 22nd, 2012 1:31 PM
@nadriss. exactly!!! That is why I enjoyed it as well.
Rank: Regular Character
February 22nd, 2012 1:05 PM
@plainjane..yes it was so great to see our show back. I actually felt emotional, I know that sounds crazy but I missed this show so much. It was my one hour I could escape to hawaii every week with a cast I loved and then bam it was all gone, it was like a completely different show. BUT it is back now and I am not gonna look back anymore. Just forward. I cannot wait for the rest of the season now!! :)
February 22nd, 2012 4:24 AM
This episode was incredible, not in the intrigue, i think it was simple but in the relations between our OHANA. I'm glad and completely satisfied.
February 21st, 2012 11:40 PM
@Darlene Stahl
Lori's connection to Steve? What connection? They had nothing.
@amazingalex and Dec7
Isn't it fantastic how fast the show rebounded after all these months? It was fantastic to see the carguments, the bromance, and the return of the ohana. This is what we fell in love with.
February 21st, 2012 10:58 PM
@jschoi- You took the words right out of my mouth. I've never seen someone tear apart a show so much before. I GOOD show at that. First he saying he's glad to see the bromance back then he complains that there's too much. Are you kidding me! I loved every moment of it. They're trying to make up for lack of it for most of the season.
@jlopie- Agreed with everything you said as well except the part of Joe. Lori I definitely don't miss, but I really liked the father/son relationship that Joe & Steve have. I'll be glad when they resolve the Shelburne/WoFat storyline and move on to something else, but I would still like to see Joe make appearances from time to time to help out with cases.
@ Jamie- What a great way to open the episode with an Elvis song. Rock-a-Hula is from his movie Blue Hawaii which is one of mine & my mom's favorite Elvis movies. We couldn't stop smiling. Fit the show perfectly.