tiva (Tania) Rank: Recurring Character
February 16th, 2012 6:00 PM
I did not want Tony with Wendy but I do like her I know she lied to him and she hurt him by leaving Tony right before the wedding but I like her a little bit now I don't want her with Tony I don't see chemistry between them.
Vicky
February 16th, 2012 5:23 PM
I ended up liking Wendy a great deal. I'm not sure whether she and Tony could work out their issues after so many years, but these things do happen in real life. I appreciated the care Gibbs displayed and the insight into Tony, whose sweet side tends to be smothered by the persona he adopts so often. I was really glad that there was no Tiva nonsense at all in this episode. The main difference between Ziva and the two women that Tony has loved is that they saw him as a bit of a hero in their lives; they saw him as someone who they could look up to and admire. Ziva is too busy letting Tony know how much better she is than him to be a good fit. I'm really glad that Gibbs has Rule 12 in effect and is so insistent on it for Tony. Having a relationship develop between two teammates would be to totally dismiss an important aspect of the Gibbs leadership and the G/D dynamic.
Please TPTB realize that the constant romance angle is not a universally popular idea.
Sue Ann Rank: Regular Character
February 16th, 2012 5:16 PM
My favorite thing was the big grin from Gibbs. Mark Harmon has a great grin, and we have far too seldom seen it on NCIS. It bodes well for Gibbs's future that he grinned like that.
I did not like Wendy. I myself ditched a fiancee because he lied to me. I don't regard lying as a good basis for any relationship, and this character lies reflexively. I don't believe she could be trusted. Without trust, there is nothing.
She will have to be back, because nothing is resolved between them. That is too bad. I dislike soap operas.
I knew who the villain was the instant I laid eyes on Ray Wise. I have never seen him play anything else. But, cheesy, AND entertaining. The case was just background.
I think Abby would like to be a superhero -- she does good deeds for their own sake, because it is the right thing to do. I think she might have trouble with the riding-off-into-the-sunset part of the superhero game, though. She gets involved ...
annie92111
February 16th, 2012 5:07 PM
I really enjoyed this episode. It was light hearted and funny, with serious undertones that didn't over take the fun. I liked Wendy. I thought she was a reasonably believable character and I liked her chemistry with Tony. As for the fans who are tired of Tony angst, all I can say is - are Ziva and Gibbs the only ones allowed to be the heros AND have drama now? We've had tragic Ziva and Gibbs for years along with incompetent, butt of joke Tony. I'm glad that my favorite character is finally getting some attention that isn't insulting. I loved the nice interactions between the team and Gibbs bow to ICU. Also loved Fred walking in on the kiss. I wouldn't mind if Wendy became a mostly off screen romantic interest for Tony. As for the show turning into a soap - it kind has been going in that direction for several years. It's just that this season it's someone besides Gibbs and Ziva having a share of the drama.
Complicated? Too Late for That
February 16th, 2012 4:39 PM
Hello Gentlemen: I appreciate your comments as always, but one of you (*cough-cough!* Eric) is kind of missing an important point, I think. In case you hadn't noticed, Tony LOOVES his "high-powered", independent career women (go re-watch Obsession). In fact, Jeanne B. back in S4 was sort of a prototype of Weatherly's REAL "high-powered", lovely career wife!! Tony IS a complicated man! So isn't Gibbs. There is no WAY they could be happy with someone who doesn't understand their complicated lifestyle. Forget about any woman who truly loves Tony for who he is for a moment (Yep, we all know who): Tony needs someone who can identify with the kind of life he leads, NOW. The same goes for Gibbs. Shannon wouldn't be a good match for Gibbs NOW, as an NCIS Agent. Back then life WAS simpler for Leroy. That's probably why Vance is still married to the same woman, because she understands the demands the job places on her husband. She EMBRACES the complication, and that's what Tony needs as well.
Svenja
February 16th, 2012 4:35 PM
My guess is that NCIS will last until season 12. So either they keep fooling around with love-interest and have both of them without a real shot at love, or they will pair them up and try to make it work without affecting the team dynamic. Outside love interests don't work. The audience just rejects them all the time. I think Tony and Ziva would work because basically they alreasy behave like a couple just without the physical contact. The whole "I am jealous, but also supportive"-dynamic is getting old. We will see what the next few episodes have in store for us. Can't wait to see how everything developes.
Svenja
February 16th, 2012 4:35 PM
Fred is 7. I know they picked a bigger kid for the part, but they said it in "Newborn King" (this year's Christmas episode).
I think Wendy wasn't all that bad, but certainly Tony and Wendy won't reunite in a romantic manner. She left him right before the wedding and basically destroyed a lot in him. It's impossible for him.
But I have to disagree. Tony needs a woman who challenges him. Strong, intelligent, career-oriented women are his type. Remember obsession or even Jeanne Benoit. She is a doctor. He seems to be into that kinda thing.
I also believe they're building up to something between Tony and Ziva and I certainly hope so because they will never ultimately put together Tony and Ziva with people outside of the show.
Joan
February 16th, 2012 4:33 PM
For me it was a wonderful treat to see the Tony & Ziva scenes, they had become few & far between in the first 11 episodes this season. It was beginning to look like they didn't work in the same office anymore. Love the entire cast but it is Tony & Ziva who have brought me back every Tues. night for 7 years.
Mel
February 16th, 2012 4:17 PM
To clarify the age of Wendy's son, it was stated in the Christmas ep, Newborn King,that Wendy's son was seven. So, not Tony's. Agree that Wendy was ok, and served a purpose as a window into Tony's past, and to hopefully push him forward, but not a good fit. And she hurt him, badly,but despite realizing that, and making the observation he was "sad and lonely" (because of her!), she showed no remorse. Not nice. But I enjoyed the ep,and loved the balance of character/crime/humor. The Ducky/Tony and Tim/Tony scenes were top notch, and in fact loved all the dynamics in this ep. I have to admit I love Tony-centric eps, especially when they have a big dose of team. Add to that cupid-Gibbs,Meow-Abby and a layed back Vance who gets off a jibe at Gibbs? Not bad!
karen
February 16th, 2012 3:58 PM
when ncis has its last episode i sure hope tony/ziva end up together.And gibbs goes to mexico and builds a house like his mentor had.I wish his mentor was not dead.The perfect ending would be gibbs and his buddy drinking a beer and going fishing out on his buddy boat.What fun.
Sandy03
February 16th, 2012 3:23 PM
Ok Michael first LEARN HOW TO TYPE!!! Most of your posts are not even understandable making any point you have just jibberish. Second, why would you ever want the kid to be Tony's. You say he shouldn't be with someone who tried to kill, which is a false statement. Trying to kill him would have been shooting him. In a moment of overwhelming anger she pulled a gun on him and if you bothered to watch the scene, she confronted him and said you could have shot him in the leg and moved the gun there but no you shot him in the chest and then moved the gun there. Was it wrong, yes, but seriously Tony moved past why can't you.
Back to the point about the kid though, he shouldn't be with someone who you think tried to kill him but he should be with a woman who left him the day before the wedding then lied to him and kept his kid from him for 9 years. Yeah that makes so much sense, the bottom line is you hate Ziva.
Having Tony be the biological father of Wendy's kid would be terrible. One of the worst things one can do to a kid (or to a kid's father) is to lie about his or her parentage, which Wendy would have been doing if the boy is Tony's biological son. Sure, it does happen in real life, and in the fictional world of "NCIS" Wendy might just be that ruthless. Such a story line would be an unneeded burden for the writers, what with having to deal with the potential psychological damage to the boy.
Tony Lover
February 16th, 2012 3:07 PM
I agree I think there is more to this Wendy. And we will see her again. It just didn't seem finished with them in the episode. The way it ending it seemed like there is more to know. I think Tony is to good and sweet of a guy for her.
I dont think her or Ziva is god for Tony. He needs someone that he hasn't worked with or had a relationship with before.
I really hope the kid isn't his.
Carol
February 16th, 2012 2:51 PM
Why can't we have the relationship for Tony and Ziva, but just a step up the scale. There carma is great. I don't like that new lady at all.
Also, I thought it was very respectful for Gibbs to bow.
rachelw
February 16th, 2012 2:46 PM
"fans hatred of Wendy over the top" - Actually it's not over the top Enough. I am starting to get tired of the 'woe is me' nonsense from Tony - I adore this show, I love my TIVA - we follow these characters in an almost better and complete way than the writers-- enough is enough with the self beatings! We get their 'pasts'.. even with Gibbs, let it go. Unpack the emotional 'boxes' and let's move this forward. And I have a warning, do not screw with TIVA now. Wendy is a nightmare, annoying - and don't even think of making that his son. ewww.. the minute he kissed her, Twitter acid reflux was evident. stop it, it's being too cute by halves. MOVE ON
Kat
February 16th, 2012 2:20 PM
I thought Wendy's son was supposed to be about seven years old. Well even if he is nine or so, if they went the route of making Tony the dad, that would end my viewing of NCIS. And it wouldn't even be bc I want Tony with Ziva and not Wendy. If I wanted a disputed daddy storyline I would turn into the soap operas during the day. Some people don't want romance but I have yet to see any sane person want a parental issue story. That would go against the very core that makes NCIS the great show it is and I think a betrayal to the fans who have turned in for nine seasons. And Wendy is supposed to be potentially recurring, if she even lasts that long. I'm wondering if her recurring appearances will depend on how the fans perceived her which hasn't been all bad but not really that good either. Having a kid story would make her hang around which would suck
Joan
February 16th, 2012 1:38 PM
Please, no more outside love interests for Tony & Ziva .They don't work and apparently TPTB are trying desperately to put off the inevitable pairing of Tony & Ziva. How much more baggage can you burden Tony with before the poor man ends up in a padded cell?
Please, please, please do not go down the path that has Fred being Tonys son. That would be the end of NCIS for me. Time for Wendy & Fred to dissappear into the sunset.
Holy cows Batman, this superhero underwear episode was hilarious and as always I love the banter!
janet
February 16th, 2012 9:13 AM
dont think wendy is tony;s type she seemed a bit bossy and she did lie to him i think she will be someone passing through his life as we all know there is no one for tony just ziva.by the way michael the boy in the episode secrets is about 9 or 10 years michael weatherlys son is 16 years big age difference check your facts before commenting.
gh tony
Michael
February 16th, 2012 8:37 AM
Look big deal Wendy left him at the alter at least she didn't try to KILL him and at least she didn't from day one try to replace him on gibbs team like a ceratin female agent we know.
We do not want a other CSI look what happen when their two main star became a couple one actor got caught with drug and was fire and both of the actor who play the love character walk away from the show.
As for the Kid yes it would be sweet if it was Tony because Michael does have a son that age in real life I am really happy with how their fixing Tony I know a lot of people want the show to be about Ziva 24/7 but we basic seen all we can see about her unless she betrade NCIS for the 5th time
Abby: I knew that guy was trouble. He's like an evil McGee.
Rank: Recurring Character
February 16th, 2012 6:00 PM
I did not want Tony with Wendy but I do like her I know she lied to him and she hurt him by leaving Tony right before the wedding but I like her a little bit now I don't want her with Tony I don't see chemistry between them.
February 16th, 2012 5:23 PM
I ended up liking Wendy a great deal. I'm not sure whether she and Tony could work out their issues after so many years, but these things do happen in real life. I appreciated the care Gibbs displayed and the insight into Tony, whose sweet side tends to be smothered by the persona he adopts so often. I was really glad that there was no Tiva nonsense at all in this episode. The main difference between Ziva and the two women that Tony has loved is that they saw him as a bit of a hero in their lives; they saw him as someone who they could look up to and admire. Ziva is too busy letting Tony know how much better she is than him to be a good fit. I'm really glad that Gibbs has Rule 12 in effect and is so insistent on it for Tony. Having a relationship develop between two teammates would be to totally dismiss an important aspect of the Gibbs leadership and the G/D dynamic.
Please TPTB realize that the constant romance angle is not a universally popular idea.
Rank: Regular Character
February 16th, 2012 5:16 PM
My favorite thing was the big grin from Gibbs. Mark Harmon has a great grin, and we have far too seldom seen it on NCIS. It bodes well for Gibbs's future that he grinned like that.
I did not like Wendy. I myself ditched a fiancee because he lied to me. I don't regard lying as a good basis for any relationship, and this character lies reflexively. I don't believe she could be trusted. Without trust, there is nothing.
She will have to be back, because nothing is resolved between them. That is too bad. I dislike soap operas.
I knew who the villain was the instant I laid eyes on Ray Wise. I have never seen him play anything else. But, cheesy, AND entertaining. The case was just background.
I think Abby would like to be a superhero -- she does good deeds for their own sake, because it is the right thing to do. I think she might have trouble with the riding-off-into-the-sunset part of the superhero game, though. She gets involved ...
February 16th, 2012 5:07 PM
I really enjoyed this episode. It was light hearted and funny, with serious undertones that didn't over take the fun. I liked Wendy. I thought she was a reasonably believable character and I liked her chemistry with Tony. As for the fans who are tired of Tony angst, all I can say is - are Ziva and Gibbs the only ones allowed to be the heros AND have drama now? We've had tragic Ziva and Gibbs for years along with incompetent, butt of joke Tony. I'm glad that my favorite character is finally getting some attention that isn't insulting. I loved the nice interactions between the team and Gibbs bow to ICU. Also loved Fred walking in on the kiss. I wouldn't mind if Wendy became a mostly off screen romantic interest for Tony. As for the show turning into a soap - it kind has been going in that direction for several years. It's just that this season it's someone besides Gibbs and Ziva having a share of the drama.
February 16th, 2012 4:39 PM
Hello Gentlemen: I appreciate your comments as always, but one of you (*cough-cough!* Eric) is kind of missing an important point, I think. In case you hadn't noticed, Tony LOOVES his "high-powered", independent career women (go re-watch Obsession). In fact, Jeanne B. back in S4 was sort of a prototype of Weatherly's REAL "high-powered", lovely career wife!! Tony IS a complicated man! So isn't Gibbs. There is no WAY they could be happy with someone who doesn't understand their complicated lifestyle. Forget about any woman who truly loves Tony for who he is for a moment (Yep, we all know who): Tony needs someone who can identify with the kind of life he leads, NOW. The same goes for Gibbs. Shannon wouldn't be a good match for Gibbs NOW, as an NCIS Agent. Back then life WAS simpler for Leroy. That's probably why Vance is still married to the same woman, because she understands the demands the job places on her husband. She EMBRACES the complication, and that's what Tony needs as well.
February 16th, 2012 4:35 PM
My guess is that NCIS will last until season 12. So either they keep fooling around with love-interest and have both of them without a real shot at love, or they will pair them up and try to make it work without affecting the team dynamic. Outside love interests don't work. The audience just rejects them all the time. I think Tony and Ziva would work because basically they alreasy behave like a couple just without the physical contact. The whole "I am jealous, but also supportive"-dynamic is getting old. We will see what the next few episodes have in store for us. Can't wait to see how everything developes.
February 16th, 2012 4:35 PM
Fred is 7. I know they picked a bigger kid for the part, but they said it in "Newborn King" (this year's Christmas episode).
I think Wendy wasn't all that bad, but certainly Tony and Wendy won't reunite in a romantic manner. She left him right before the wedding and basically destroyed a lot in him. It's impossible for him.
But I have to disagree. Tony needs a woman who challenges him. Strong, intelligent, career-oriented women are his type. Remember obsession or even Jeanne Benoit. She is a doctor. He seems to be into that kinda thing.
I also believe they're building up to something between Tony and Ziva and I certainly hope so because they will never ultimately put together Tony and Ziva with people outside of the show.
February 16th, 2012 4:33 PM
For me it was a wonderful treat to see the Tony & Ziva scenes, they had become few & far between in the first 11 episodes this season. It was beginning to look like they didn't work in the same office anymore. Love the entire cast but it is Tony & Ziva who have brought me back every Tues. night for 7 years.
February 16th, 2012 4:17 PM
To clarify the age of Wendy's son, it was stated in the Christmas ep, Newborn King,that Wendy's son was seven. So, not Tony's. Agree that Wendy was ok, and served a purpose as a window into Tony's past, and to hopefully push him forward, but not a good fit. And she hurt him, badly,but despite realizing that, and making the observation he was "sad and lonely" (because of her!), she showed no remorse. Not nice. But I enjoyed the ep,and loved the balance of character/crime/humor. The Ducky/Tony and Tim/Tony scenes were top notch, and in fact loved all the dynamics in this ep. I have to admit I love Tony-centric eps, especially when they have a big dose of team. Add to that cupid-Gibbs,Meow-Abby and a layed back Vance who gets off a jibe at Gibbs? Not bad!
February 16th, 2012 3:58 PM
when ncis has its last episode i sure hope tony/ziva end up together.And gibbs goes to mexico and builds a house like his mentor had.I wish his mentor was not dead.The perfect ending would be gibbs and his buddy drinking a beer and going fishing out on his buddy boat.What fun.
February 16th, 2012 3:23 PM
Ok Michael first LEARN HOW TO TYPE!!! Most of your posts are not even understandable making any point you have just jibberish. Second, why would you ever want the kid to be Tony's. You say he shouldn't be with someone who tried to kill, which is a false statement. Trying to kill him would have been shooting him. In a moment of overwhelming anger she pulled a gun on him and if you bothered to watch the scene, she confronted him and said you could have shot him in the leg and moved the gun there but no you shot him in the chest and then moved the gun there. Was it wrong, yes, but seriously Tony moved past why can't you.
Back to the point about the kid though, he shouldn't be with someone who you think tried to kill him but he should be with a woman who left him the day before the wedding then lied to him and kept his kid from him for 9 years. Yeah that makes so much sense, the bottom line is you hate Ziva.
Rank: Extra
February 16th, 2012 3:10 PM
Having Tony be the biological father of Wendy's kid would be terrible. One of the worst things one can do to a kid (or to a kid's father) is to lie about his or her parentage, which Wendy would have been doing if the boy is Tony's biological son. Sure, it does happen in real life, and in the fictional world of "NCIS" Wendy might just be that ruthless. Such a story line would be an unneeded burden for the writers, what with having to deal with the potential psychological damage to the boy.
February 16th, 2012 3:07 PM
I agree I think there is more to this Wendy. And we will see her again. It just didn't seem finished with them in the episode. The way it ending it seemed like there is more to know. I think Tony is to good and sweet of a guy for her.
I dont think her or Ziva is god for Tony. He needs someone that he hasn't worked with or had a relationship with before.
I really hope the kid isn't his.
February 16th, 2012 2:51 PM
Why can't we have the relationship for Tony and Ziva, but just a step up the scale. There carma is great. I don't like that new lady at all.
Also, I thought it was very respectful for Gibbs to bow.
February 16th, 2012 2:46 PM
"fans hatred of Wendy over the top" - Actually it's not over the top Enough. I am starting to get tired of the 'woe is me' nonsense from Tony - I adore this show, I love my TIVA - we follow these characters in an almost better and complete way than the writers-- enough is enough with the self beatings! We get their 'pasts'.. even with Gibbs, let it go. Unpack the emotional 'boxes' and let's move this forward. And I have a warning, do not screw with TIVA now. Wendy is a nightmare, annoying - and don't even think of making that his son. ewww.. the minute he kissed her, Twitter acid reflux was evident. stop it, it's being too cute by halves. MOVE ON
February 16th, 2012 2:20 PM
I thought Wendy's son was supposed to be about seven years old. Well even if he is nine or so, if they went the route of making Tony the dad, that would end my viewing of NCIS. And it wouldn't even be bc I want Tony with Ziva and not Wendy. If I wanted a disputed daddy storyline I would turn into the soap operas during the day. Some people don't want romance but I have yet to see any sane person want a parental issue story. That would go against the very core that makes NCIS the great show it is and I think a betrayal to the fans who have turned in for nine seasons. And Wendy is supposed to be potentially recurring, if she even lasts that long. I'm wondering if her recurring appearances will depend on how the fans perceived her which hasn't been all bad but not really that good either. Having a kid story would make her hang around which would suck
February 16th, 2012 1:38 PM
Please, no more outside love interests for Tony & Ziva .They don't work and apparently TPTB are trying desperately to put off the inevitable pairing of Tony & Ziva. How much more baggage can you burden Tony with before the poor man ends up in a padded cell?
Please, please, please do not go down the path that has Fred being Tonys son. That would be the end of NCIS for me. Time for Wendy & Fred to dissappear into the sunset.
Rank: Extra
February 16th, 2012 11:04 AM
Holy cows Batman, this superhero underwear episode was hilarious and as always I love the banter!
February 16th, 2012 9:13 AM
dont think wendy is tony;s type she seemed a bit bossy and she did lie to him i think she will be someone passing through his life as we all know there is no one for tony just ziva.by the way michael the boy in the episode secrets is about 9 or 10 years michael weatherlys son is 16 years big age difference check your facts before commenting.
gh tony
February 16th, 2012 8:37 AM
Look big deal Wendy left him at the alter at least she didn't try to KILL him and at least she didn't from day one try to replace him on gibbs team like a ceratin female agent we know.
We do not want a other CSI look what happen when their two main star became a couple one actor got caught with drug and was fire and both of the actor who play the love character walk away from the show.
As for the Kid yes it would be sweet if it was Tony because Michael does have a son that age in real life I am really happy with how their fixing Tony I know a lot of people want the show to be about Ziva 24/7 but we basic seen all we can see about her unless she betrade NCIS for the 5th time