Fringe Review: Do You Believe In Love? Comments (Page 2)
32 Comments
Carissa Pavlica Rank: Staff Member
March 25th, 2012 12:08 AM
I think September meant the Olivia she had become must die, and she is dying. My hope is that there is enough love to save who she was without Peter as well as who she was before.
fortyseven Rank: Regular Character
March 24th, 2012 10:19 PM
Great episode. Peter was brave. I half expected an accident several times in the apartment and with the beacon. September left out the part where he was supposed to erase the traces of Peter. I think September looks like Peter :)
Cest
March 24th, 2012 8:36 PM
Loved this ep. I am enjoying this seasons tendency to use earlier seasons cases and expand upon them.
I always have fun looking for the little hint and clues that are hidden within the episodes, the things that may not have anything to do with the case or even seem to be discussed. So this may be a little out there, but when Peter was at Septembers apartment did anyone else notice the calender on the wall was on the month of January. It could have actually been the timeline of the episode or a hint towards a new Observer. Any opinions?
Tyler
March 24th, 2012 8:34 PM
Power of love?
Bleh, what a letdown.
TVDIVA
March 24th, 2012 6:23 PM
I keep replaying the last ten minutes of this episode. Watching Olivia and Nina together made me weepy and watching Peter and Olivia finally get together this season had me applauding at the end. I think September is a descendant of Olivia and Peter and that is why he cares so much and why Peter could activate the beacon and bring September back. I also think we still have to deal with September's prediction that Olivia must die no matter what timeline she is in. So I guess that means baby Henry will be raised by Walter and Peter and their extended family of friends. Whatever happens, I am along for the ride until it ends.
David
March 24th, 2012 5:09 PM
Damn last 10 minutes almost had me weepy :) But all kidding aside.
This ep is the classic portrayal of the agony and ecstasy of true love. If they are going to cancel the series this ep would be the best one to finish up on.
Hoping the give Pete and Oliver a few eps to simply be happy together before they smash em apart again.
JK
March 24th, 2012 3:48 PM
Somehow I doubt that September is given to metaphor. I think he meant exactly what he said: Olivia has to die. (This may be connected to Mr. X from 3.19, Lysergic Acid Diethylamide.) We just don't know why yet. And it's always possible that September may have missed something; the Observers have proven fallible in the past.
That said, it's crossed my mind more than once that September may have simply been lying - he appears more and more to be something of a rogue agent. It's just possible that whatever future he wants to enact requires Olivia to believe her death is both imminent and inevitable. Without knowing exactly what his game is, though, it's impossible to be sure.
All I'm certain of is that September is up to something. I'm inclined to believe he's on our heroes' side, but all things considered, I trust him about as far as I can throw him.
KansasGuest
March 24th, 2012 12:57 PM
From the beginning, FRINGE has been based on the power of love. Walter's love for Peter enabled him to blast through 2 universes, with unfortunate consequences. Perhaps what September meant about this Olivia "dying" is exactly what happened - her memories of everything without Peter are being erased, essentially removing the previous Olivia from existence. Alzheimer's comes to mind. When memories fade, and nothing replaces them, it's very difficult for family members to deal with who is left. Who is left? But, Olivia is different because memories of her previous existence are emerging. She is being "reborn" while the previous Olivia is "dying."
Loved the episode. There is noting more powerful than love.
marine
March 24th, 2012 10:31 AM
oh and the fact that Peter couldn't be erased because of love just kept reminding me of Harry Potter and the fact that the love Harry's mother had for him lived in him, protected him and never died. Love that!
FringeFiles
March 24th, 2012 10:29 AM
Great episode! Very powerful message about love, sacrifice, and the importance of being committed to the one you love. And, they had a creepy and very gross bad guy to go with it. Fringe is great!
marine
March 24th, 2012 10:25 AM
I just finished watching and I can think of only one word: PERFECTION!
It was just amazing, watching Peter's face when he was told he was home was incredible! I just began crying my eyes out, god I love fringe!!!!
John
March 24th, 2012 9:09 AM
This was a great, GREAT episode. For a month, Fringe fans waited for the next set of series installments. And the producers, writers, and actors did not disappoint.
This episode was the payoff for every shipper. The two conversations Olivia had with the woman who "married [her] best friend" in college and with the FOTW were interesting contrasts in the concept of love. One loved without feeling love, the other wanted love but could never be loved as he was. That is interesting and a nice subtlety in considering the points Olivia made with Nina. Olivia was lovesick without making viewers sick of love.
There was, or so it seemed, a strong element of Princess Bride to this episode. The idea that love, and yes, "twue wuv," could conquer anything and everything permeated. September telling Peter that he WAS home and that this was "his" Olivia was what most Fringe fans believed.
Walter's fatherliness came through strongly. His hurt at Peter leaving town was obvious, and his caring
Patti K.
March 24th, 2012 8:46 AM
Carissa, Carissa!
What a wonderful episode! Your review was one that I will print and save, it was that good! Your
talents in grasping the moments and relaying them through writing are amazing! Keep up the good work
and may Fringe last forever, along with your reviews.........................
iris
March 24th, 2012 6:42 AM
I couldn't wait for this episode to air, so I went back to season 1and not only did I find an enormous amount of details that now how a completely different meaning (as I actually know what they mean) but also, watching THIS extraordinary episode I remembered howa it all begun for Peter and Olivia and I could not stop my tears from falling.
Loved this episode!
I am a bit worried that Olivia might still have to die - just like September said, but then again, he didn't predict that Peter would be saved by love, so there's still hope for Olivia & Peter, right?!
Heart-warming, beautiful final scene!♥
Dessy
March 24th, 2012 5:33 AM
I adore you Carissa, for giving this AWESOME episode 5 stars. It was crazy, and twisted and beautiful all at the same time (typical fringe). I loved it! Michael Masse was brilliantly creepy, Walter was hilarious, the observer mythology was fun, and Peter and Olivia were peerrrrrffeecct
A billion stars.
Segun
March 24th, 2012 5:31 AM
Peter and Blue Olivia were always supposed to be together and have a child. The other Olivia (Red) was never supposed to happen. The doom thing, don't know what you mean by that. We do, however, still have the sword of Damocles hanging over our Olivia (blue) because the observer told her she has to die.
Saad
March 24th, 2012 5:30 AM
This episode is definitely my favorite of season 4 so far. The chemistry between Olivia and Peter has been amazingly genuine since they got together last season and I never once thought the show would get rid of that. The final scene was just overwhelmingly heartwarming.
Pooper
March 24th, 2012 5:14 AM
Didn't the episode before this say that if he got with this Oliva then it would spell certain doom?? But this ep shows it was always his timeline, suggesting its okay to be with her?
Isn't that a bit of a contradiction?
kay
March 24th, 2012 3:00 AM
aw yay! I'm so happy. Except of course, I'm sure that next episode peter and olivia will be ripped apart...again. Fringe is very cruel sometimes.
TVDIVA
March 24th, 2012 12:49 AM
This is a great recap and captures exactly how I felt - choked up, tears and all. And yes, I replayed the last ten minutes several times too. Did you also notice how Walter is more warmhearted and compassionate towards Peter and Olivia and even his corpses? Overall I loved this episode for the Nina/Olivia moments and for the ending. Five stars indeed.
Segun
March 24th, 2012 12:48 AM
Ahh it was incredible. I haven't felt this good about a sci-fi couple since Amelia and Rory, Crichton and Aeryn. That moment, where she sees him and she knows hes finally with her 100%. I loved this episode, it was such an interesting topic. Olivia staring at the person who meant the most to her old self and saying I love him more, please accept me anyways. The wife admitting that she had never been in love with her husband even though she loved him.Olivia saying that even a hopeless love was better than not believing in it at all.
We love to be grounded in science and reason, and yet the thing we hold most dear can't be quantified or measured. I love how the Observer almost smiled as he told Peter "you call it love" and reassured him that he hadn't made the same mistake again. It amuses me that thousands of years into the future we still are uniquely fascinated by it.
Walter: It's a beautiful name. Astrid: What is? Walter: Astrid.
Rank: Staff Member
March 25th, 2012 12:08 AM
I think September meant the Olivia she had become must die, and she is dying. My hope is that there is enough love to save who she was without Peter as well as who she was before.
Rank: Regular Character
March 24th, 2012 10:19 PM
Great episode. Peter was brave. I half expected an accident several times in the apartment and with the beacon. September left out the part where he was supposed to erase the traces of Peter. I think September looks like Peter :)
March 24th, 2012 8:36 PM
Loved this ep. I am enjoying this seasons tendency to use earlier seasons cases and expand upon them.
I always have fun looking for the little hint and clues that are hidden within the episodes, the things that may not have anything to do with the case or even seem to be discussed. So this may be a little out there, but when Peter was at Septembers apartment did anyone else notice the calender on the wall was on the month of January. It could have actually been the timeline of the episode or a hint towards a new Observer. Any opinions?
March 24th, 2012 8:34 PM
Power of love?
Bleh, what a letdown.
March 24th, 2012 6:23 PM
I keep replaying the last ten minutes of this episode. Watching Olivia and Nina together made me weepy and watching Peter and Olivia finally get together this season had me applauding at the end. I think September is a descendant of Olivia and Peter and that is why he cares so much and why Peter could activate the beacon and bring September back. I also think we still have to deal with September's prediction that Olivia must die no matter what timeline she is in. So I guess that means baby Henry will be raised by Walter and Peter and their extended family of friends. Whatever happens, I am along for the ride until it ends.
March 24th, 2012 5:09 PM
Damn last 10 minutes almost had me weepy :) But all kidding aside.
This ep is the classic portrayal of the agony and ecstasy of true love. If they are going to cancel the series this ep would be the best one to finish up on.
Hoping the give Pete and Oliver a few eps to simply be happy together before they smash em apart again.
March 24th, 2012 3:48 PM
Somehow I doubt that September is given to metaphor. I think he meant exactly what he said: Olivia has to die. (This may be connected to Mr. X from 3.19, Lysergic Acid Diethylamide.) We just don't know why yet. And it's always possible that September may have missed something; the Observers have proven fallible in the past.
That said, it's crossed my mind more than once that September may have simply been lying - he appears more and more to be something of a rogue agent. It's just possible that whatever future he wants to enact requires Olivia to believe her death is both imminent and inevitable. Without knowing exactly what his game is, though, it's impossible to be sure.
All I'm certain of is that September is up to something. I'm inclined to believe he's on our heroes' side, but all things considered, I trust him about as far as I can throw him.
March 24th, 2012 12:57 PM
From the beginning, FRINGE has been based on the power of love. Walter's love for Peter enabled him to blast through 2 universes, with unfortunate consequences. Perhaps what September meant about this Olivia "dying" is exactly what happened - her memories of everything without Peter are being erased, essentially removing the previous Olivia from existence. Alzheimer's comes to mind. When memories fade, and nothing replaces them, it's very difficult for family members to deal with who is left. Who is left? But, Olivia is different because memories of her previous existence are emerging. She is being "reborn" while the previous Olivia is "dying."
Rank: Guest Star
March 24th, 2012 11:52 AM
Loved the episode. There is noting more powerful than love.
March 24th, 2012 10:31 AM
oh and the fact that Peter couldn't be erased because of love just kept reminding me of Harry Potter and the fact that the love Harry's mother had for him lived in him, protected him and never died. Love that!
March 24th, 2012 10:29 AM
Great episode! Very powerful message about love, sacrifice, and the importance of being committed to the one you love. And, they had a creepy and very gross bad guy to go with it. Fringe is great!
March 24th, 2012 10:25 AM
I just finished watching and I can think of only one word: PERFECTION!
It was just amazing, watching Peter's face when he was told he was home was incredible! I just began crying my eyes out, god I love fringe!!!!
March 24th, 2012 9:09 AM
This was a great, GREAT episode. For a month, Fringe fans waited for the next set of series installments. And the producers, writers, and actors did not disappoint.
This episode was the payoff for every shipper. The two conversations Olivia had with the woman who "married [her] best friend" in college and with the FOTW were interesting contrasts in the concept of love. One loved without feeling love, the other wanted love but could never be loved as he was. That is interesting and a nice subtlety in considering the points Olivia made with Nina. Olivia was lovesick without making viewers sick of love.
There was, or so it seemed, a strong element of Princess Bride to this episode. The idea that love, and yes, "twue wuv," could conquer anything and everything permeated. September telling Peter that he WAS home and that this was "his" Olivia was what most Fringe fans believed.
Walter's fatherliness came through strongly. His hurt at Peter leaving town was obvious, and his caring
March 24th, 2012 8:46 AM
Carissa, Carissa!
What a wonderful episode! Your review was one that I will print and save, it was that good! Your
talents in grasping the moments and relaying them through writing are amazing! Keep up the good work
and may Fringe last forever, along with your reviews.........................
March 24th, 2012 6:42 AM
I couldn't wait for this episode to air, so I went back to season 1and not only did I find an enormous amount of details that now how a completely different meaning (as I actually know what they mean) but also, watching THIS extraordinary episode I remembered howa it all begun for Peter and Olivia and I could not stop my tears from falling.
Loved this episode!
I am a bit worried that Olivia might still have to die - just like September said, but then again, he didn't predict that Peter would be saved by love, so there's still hope for Olivia & Peter, right?!
Heart-warming, beautiful final scene!♥
March 24th, 2012 5:33 AM
I adore you Carissa, for giving this AWESOME episode 5 stars. It was crazy, and twisted and beautiful all at the same time (typical fringe). I loved it! Michael Masse was brilliantly creepy, Walter was hilarious, the observer mythology was fun, and Peter and Olivia were peerrrrrffeecct
A billion stars.
March 24th, 2012 5:31 AM
Peter and Blue Olivia were always supposed to be together and have a child. The other Olivia (Red) was never supposed to happen. The doom thing, don't know what you mean by that. We do, however, still have the sword of Damocles hanging over our Olivia (blue) because the observer told her she has to die.
March 24th, 2012 5:30 AM
This episode is definitely my favorite of season 4 so far. The chemistry between Olivia and Peter has been amazingly genuine since they got together last season and I never once thought the show would get rid of that. The final scene was just overwhelmingly heartwarming.
March 24th, 2012 5:14 AM
Didn't the episode before this say that if he got with this Oliva then it would spell certain doom?? But this ep shows it was always his timeline, suggesting its okay to be with her?
Isn't that a bit of a contradiction?
March 24th, 2012 3:00 AM
aw yay! I'm so happy. Except of course, I'm sure that next episode peter and olivia will be ripped apart...again. Fringe is very cruel sometimes.
March 24th, 2012 12:49 AM
This is a great recap and captures exactly how I felt - choked up, tears and all. And yes, I replayed the last ten minutes several times too. Did you also notice how Walter is more warmhearted and compassionate towards Peter and Olivia and even his corpses? Overall I loved this episode for the Nina/Olivia moments and for the ending. Five stars indeed.
March 24th, 2012 12:48 AM
Ahh it was incredible. I haven't felt this good about a sci-fi couple since Amelia and Rory, Crichton and Aeryn. That moment, where she sees him and she knows hes finally with her 100%. I loved this episode, it was such an interesting topic. Olivia staring at the person who meant the most to her old self and saying I love him more, please accept me anyways. The wife admitting that she had never been in love with her husband even though she loved him.Olivia saying that even a hopeless love was better than not believing in it at all.
We love to be grounded in science and reason, and yet the thing we hold most dear can't be quantified or measured. I love how the Observer almost smiled as he told Peter "you call it love" and reassured him that he hadn't made the same mistake again. It amuses me that thousands of years into the future we still are uniquely fascinated by it.