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So, if bottled true love can do anything, maybe Rumplestiltskin plan is to become human again? To give up The Dark One without having to die? And maybe true love was also used to create the curse. Rumple needs Snow and Charming to be together again. Since he's the one that gave the Queen the curse my belief is that he put a hidden clause there somewhere that states that once that specific curse is broken, all other curses, including TDO curse will be broken as well.

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Also, to answer the question "what turned the Queen evil?" Revenge that her husband adored his first wife and their beautiful daughter and she was an afterthought....and the power she felt when she killed him and those that followed!
Thats not just that.
There have been clear indications that Queen lost someone, her true love, who died thanks to something Snow White did, which in a sense puts her into same position as Snow White. Just She no longer had her "charming" to turn her away from the road of revenge.

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The queen hates snow cause her father, the queens husband, loved snow and her dead mother more than he loved her..... And he started it once inthe episode with the genie (btw I was amazed to find out they made king mitas (sp?) snows father) about how much he loved his daughter ands how his heart would always belong to her mother, our something like that.

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Rumple/Gold is my fave. so sad when Red ate Peter. Like many, don't like David but like Charming. Don't want to believe Katherine's dead. She deserves to be with her love, which is the soccer coach she bumped into when confronting MM, her knight in shining armor in FTL. There's no way August is Henry all grown; lol that some people thought so. Agree with many that August is probably Rumple's son. Think Henry is actually Regina's father (she killed him for his heart) reincarnated trying to stop her from doing more evil.

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I love Rumplestiltskin more and more every time I see him.And Red being the wolf is cool too. I wonder where Mary Margaret went off to.

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When I ran out of room, forgot to include in my second comment my theory of Kathryn's disappearance and NOT death (but strickly speculation...) Remember Regina's underground wall of storage boxes? What if she, as the Queen, collected all the hearts of the storybook characters, since she had this thing for hearts and what could be accomplished with using them. She killed the sheriff by SQUEEZING his, but she could have used Kathryn's as a means to set up MM, and human 2012 Kathryn is still alive and with her new friend, but really Frederick?
Also, August was not in the picture in storybook land when Rumple turned evil, so may have an outsider's view of Storybrook today.

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.....cross out of Storybrook.
Also, to answer the question "what turned the Queen evil?" Revenge that her husband adored his first wife and their beautiful daughter and she was an afterthought....and the power she felt when she killed him and those that followed!

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I find that David is a much more interesting character as Charming. Charming is just the goodie goodie hero who swashbuckles his way to a 'happy ending'. David struggles to find his way through the world, but sadly can't find the balance. Charming is just flat in spite of his FTL background.

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OK...to rehash some of the fairytails that people a mixed up on....David and James were twins born to a poor shephard family...the king of that land needed an heir, so he paid her for James....James died in a duel, so he paid her again and took adult David so he could marry Midas' daughter (Katheryn) and save his kingdom with the dowry. She was suppose to marry Frederick, a knight, before he was turned to gold. No fiance, so unhappily she agreed to marry James. Meantime, David rebels. runs away, meeting amazon, wanted, Snow and falls in love. Fake dad, the king, captures him but David and Princess (Katherine) realize the marriage wouldn't work and he learns of her lost love and figures a way to turn the knight human again (remember the mermaid). David does, princess and knight are happy, so David now hunts again for Snow....up-to-date.....In Storybrooke, the knight is the garage guy who earlier runs into Katheryn, and is the one who discovers her abandoned car just as she would cross out of Storybrook.....this is why I don't believe the heart is Kathryns....remember the many underground lockboxes Regina has and went to for the Sheriff's heart? Here's my theory...the queen had this thing for hearts to get her way...did she take the hearts of all the storybook characters and is keeping them to eliminate (by squeezing them) once they are no longer useful, like she did the sheriff? Is the heart of Kathryn being used to frame MM, but human 2012 Kathryn is still alive and with her rescurer?
Also, to answer "what turned the queen evil?" Revenge that her husband adored his beautiful daughter and she was an afterthought....and the power that came from killing him!!

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@jan re "Wasn't James a twin who lived on the farm and was brought to the castle when his brother was killed"

James was the country twin and Snow knows him as James Charming therefore, James, Charming, and David are all the same person. Frederick is a different prince and you saw both princes and princesses in the story of the knight of gold.

I love the show but it would be really great if they did a not disney story (gasp, stricken down by the powers that be at ABC/Disney) ;)




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