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I was shocked. I loved the last scene, in fact it was one of the few Finchel moments that felt true, but as I sat there listening to 'Roots before branches' I kept thinking: Why such such an exclusively Berry ending? And why just Rachel? Kurt was every bit as obsessed about NYADA as she was, and his audition went far better than hers. Not to mention I still don't know when did we learn that Blaine was a junior and they would not be graduating together. Weren't they taking the same classes at Dalton? They did study together (watch the 'It's cold outside' scene from S2).
Roots before Branches was written by Adam Anders and his wife. It fits Rachel and her struggles and all the things that she needed to do for herself. She has to know what she wants to do and to know where to head and how to live. Finn was right she has to find her own way. And I think he was speaking also about himself, but that was just a given. The writers have written Finn with one thing in mind and that is to redeem his dad's name. But I still don't believe enlisting in the army will be his choice. After all, Gle ends with cliffhangers for long hiatuses to return with a simple passing mention-like Quinn's accident. Just a guess, but it seems loistically impossible for Glee to cover that many locations in the future episodes. Lima, NY, and an army base. I don't think so. Until fall, happy summer.
Also,@Kate, I disagree about Kurt being a sure thing to get into NYADA. Rachel has since a child prepared for this day with competitions of all kinds with trophies, community theater, lead in the musical, solos or part solo or duet in competitions in three years of HS, captain of 16 clubs in school and a 3.8 gpa at graduation. Kurt didn't prepare at all. Just a grat performance. Jesse had a great performance when he auditioned for Carmen but he didn't get accepted. As for Finn going in the army I don't think so. I believe Rachel assumed that, like when Finn didn't answer her question how he felt about their kisses s2. I think Mr Shue gave him an idea to use persuation with absence of denial. Drugs in Finn;s locker. Did everyone see the somber looks he gave Rachel knowing that they should not marry. It was the right thing to do. Rachel reluctantly knew it.
I agree with what you've said. Finn knew that Rachel belonged in New York and as it was he would hold her back. Out of love he pushed her to go, knowing that if the truth be told she would have not gone. The only thing that makes this ending hard for me was that after everything she went threw changing from a selfish self-centered lonely girl(wishing for friends and acknowledgement) to a loving and thoughtful girl for her friends famil and loved ones. She thoght about Finn and Kurt's needs to find their futures and was willing to hold off on hers. A huge change in the girl that was to now.
To add onto my mini rant: Rachel BELONGS on Broadway.And so does Kurt actually. I was very surprised that he didn’t get in (Finn not so much—I cringed watching his “audition” for Inside the Actor’s Studio). I actually thought no one would get in, since small envelopes from colleges mean rejection. He'll find some way to get to New York and hopefully NYADA. I do agree that the fact that they graduated BEFORE they received any responses was a stupid move on the writers’ part. I remember sending my application and knew about TWO weeks after. The only one they got really right was Quinn’s early admission into Yale. It almost seemed like the writers forgot they never gave the answers –almost like they did most of the plotlines in the season. Hopefully Season 4 will be better.
First things first: We all knew that Rachel and Finn were not going to make it to the altar or a justice of the peace or any kind of wedding at all. And the fact that Finn realized that before she did shows how much he truly loves Rachel. That's what made me start to cry like a baby, because I would want someone to do the same to me. He knew that he would hold her back and stopped it from happening. Is going into the Army the smartest thing he's ever done? No, but I can understand that too, becasue it was for his dad. I can't say that I loved the whole episode, but I will say that I loved the ending scene. The ending song (which, to point out to the reviewer is NOT a Taylor Swift song) rings so true to everyone with big dreams like Rachel and symbolizes the fact that she NEEDED to leave Lima. I know some people hated this scene because it was all about Rachel but I feel like you needed to see her in New York, alone, and on her way. I smiled when I saw her walking along Broadway becasue
The finale was just terrible, terrible writing. The writers this season were just awful. I loved Glee seasons 1 and 2, Glee season 3 had all these good things going for it and should have been the most exciting season yet. But no, all the great things we were hoping for- a Finchel wedding, a Wemma wedding, Sue's baby, Kurt Rachel and Finn going to New York- NONE of that happened.
The writers are no longer writing it for entertainment value. They're writing it to get viewers hopes up and then "psych! no, we're really doing this crappy ending."
Season 4 is going to be equally bad I think. Murphy's already saying Will's not getting married after all. *eye roll*
But I'll still keep watching because Joe and Brittany are still around.
@gleeluvr I really like your passion but let's agree to disagree :) I've never made demands I just watch, but I'm not particularly excited about the direction the show is going in. I always thought Glee was about diversity and acceptance and I haven't thought that this season. Perhaps I keep repeating myself but it bothers me that the ethnic characters were so marginalised. If RIB admit that Glee is a show about combating homophobia plus Rachel/Finn drama, I'll accept that and enjoy it. I've never been able to stomach homophobia, it disgusts me. It's the fact that they claim to be inclusive and then ignore people of colour that bothers me (among other things). Their struggle matters too. I love all of the characters on the show but I don't enjoy it anymore because in my opinion RIB aren’t sincere.
Again Darn! I think the writing has shown the path Glee intends to stay with. The symbol and metaphors of Glee=Rachel and Finn. This next season will be a lateral move to have emphasis on maturity of these 4 characters. McKinley will be images to reinforce their self confidence of what can be in the midst of confusion and underdog status. Glee club will have to start over with new kids hopefully not as many. I feel the focus will not be on them. We will have to see what comes s4 to know for sure what the new face of Glee will be. I'm all for a more mature show.
Darn! I lost or never had interest in Bartie and Brittana. I love Santana. S3 was the start of peace and maturity, stories tied into others or flowed into a succeeding plot. Yeah, some started and dropped(Samcedes/Quinn's accident), but Glee introduced the more unified club with a drive and social awareness. Yes, I am a Rachel, Finn, Kurt, Santana, Finchel fan. But the writing has spoken that they are the main characters(Quinn was s1 but has faded into the background as has Puck, Will and Emma). Glee had 4 main plots s3 and completed them with cliffhangers. The more central the character is the more the cliffhanger IMO, thusly, Finchel separation with the unknown, Kurt and Santana unknown. Mercedes will be a back-up singer in LA(answered),Mike school(answered),Quinn at Yale(answered). The more and most central characters have cliffhangers-Kurt and Santana unknown, Finn and Rachel separate but Rachel in NY alone where Finn has no future plan. These 4 all have clifhangers. I think
@Besi, I agree with you RIB have been influenced by fandom's requests and/or demands to develop other characters, which they did for you and others. S2 was all about couple drama, IMO was a drag and aweful, but this propelled Santana, Brittany interest. S2 introduced too many characters-Sam, Kurt's nemesis and tormentor(forgot his name-duh),Blaine, The Warblers, Dr Carl, Gwynneth Paltrow-a season of upheaval. The start of social conscienciousness PSA introduction-bullying, sexuality indentification and more s3 teenage sex, etc. Merc was more interesting s1 same with Quinn. Sam and Quinn was boring. Quinn s3 is a background character as Will and Emma. Brittany was funnier s1 now since Britany/Brittany,s2 xmas epi(horrible epis) Brittany is way too dumb. I didn't like Santana's bullying this season where she was vulnerable s2. The plots dropped off unfinished s2 as in s3. Samcedes, Quinn's accident(why write those things)IMO, s2 has many pluses but I was uninterested in Bartie and
@gleeluvr I understand your point but if Rachel really is meant to be the focus of glee why did they bother introducing so many new characters? Why did bother introducing storylines and then fail to execute them or to see them through? They may not be the stars of the show but most of us care about the other characters and want to know what happens to them. Mercedes not having family was a travesty and the fact that they couldn't decide how to portray her and Sam was sad because they purposefully built it up. They'll probably break them up by the time season four begins because Mercedes' love life has never really mattered. Why weren’t they clear about what would happen with Santana? Suddenly she’s New York bound. What was the point of the "don't text and drive" SL? Sorry but there were way too many problems with this season.
As for so many negative comments about this season and this eoisode I disagree. This season had too many PSAs and too many tributes. Brittany dumbed down too much s3. Quinn's accident and lack of story on it. These are my misgivings. The writers put the story lines into place thru out the year so that the finale would end up like it did. Finchel getting engaged and wanting to marry was never gonna happen-just a plot to get them deeply envolved(sexually and emotionally)and facing life altering disappointments that led to their dependence on one another. Rachel's determination for NY was a catalyst for Kurt to want it too. He never thought about it or prepared for it before s3. Rachel in finale s2 was excited to be in NY but s3 finale she is hesitant and scared to alone without Kurt and Finn. Dependence. They all need to seek individuality and self confidence. So there goes s4.
When Rachel spoke with Tina in the hall she spoke of all the clubs she was president of-remember season 1 all the clubs she joined. Kurt didn't. Rachel always auditioned for community theater with maybe a part or 2. Kurt didn't. Rachel had the lead as Maria in the musical Kurt didn't. She has had solos in competitions where Kurt didn't. Rachel has said she has won competitions for singing and dancing since she was little. Kurt has nothing like that. Tina spoke to Carmen also. Carmen never said that Kurt was a shoe-in but good choice of song. When Jesse spoke with Carmen she said that he was good but not spectacular. Jesse is better than Kurt IMO. I think that Kurt being chosen would not be likely.
Kurt did an awesome audition but schools for the exceptional talents of all the US choose the cream of the crop. He and Rachel were the top of the Glee club but found out they were little fish in the ocean-so many others to compete with who are even more talented. I'd like to see Rachel find out that Jesse gave kudos in her behalf to Carmen T. And someone said that Kurt could have been silent about his acceptance to not make Finn feel bad. That could happen too. I have to say that Glee creators have their story lines decided and their emphasis will always be Finchel as the main stay of Glee. The other characters at the start were either background or secondary characters. This is really an ensemble cast with main characters just like a book or a TV show or a movie. I'm sorry that disappointment is amassed but reality is Rachel is the central character with all others surrounding her and their interactions. It is just the way any writer of fiction writes.
Darn it. Finn used the same manipulation to set Rachel free knowing she would resist the notion. He and Rachel never broke up just separated to seek out their futures. Just like a boomerang-if they are meant to be they will find each other again. I still believe that Glee needs to change course and in s4 follow the grads so we can watch them mature and face adult obstacles. I realize people don't want the Rachel show but she is the symbol of Glee since the pilot-underdog wanting to be accepted. Finn is the other main character being popular. Finchel represent that opposite poles can and will become special. Will signifies older Finn not following a dream and being complacent to being in Lima. Symbolism in prose.
First, I loved this wonderful episode. This season showed the viewers what High school is when there is no drama, except for Quinn's accident. Klaine and Brittana were blissfully happy. Finn and Rachel had things happen to propel them to be engaged- the things were disappointments. Finn finding out about his dad which made him feel he was a loser too. All he had that was special was Rachel. Rachel choked with her chances of NYADA almost nil. This showed us they got engaged and chose to get married all for the wrong reasons. Second, Finn never said in the car that he was enlisting, Rachel assumed that. He said that was the only place where she couldn't follow him-Ft Benning. I think after their letter openings and his admition to his mom that he felt unworthy of the good things his dad did(still feeling unworthy Lima loser even to his dad-he feels redeeming his dad that he will be redeemed as well) he reconsidered and chose to use Mr Shue's method of trickery to get Rachel to
@Karen, they already sang it to him at the end of season 1 and it was epic. The scene had me crying.
I was really disappointed the seniors didn't sing "To Sir With Love" to mr. shuester. I know it is an old song, but that has never stopped them before. It really would have been perfect. The only thing I could think of is that they are holding out for a series finale or for when mr. Shuester leaves the show.
Is it just me or was the second half of season 3 truly awful? For a show claiming to speak for the underdog it wasn't inclusive - the ethnic characters bar Santana were pushed into the background; the Sam/Mercedes relationship wasn't allowed to flow despite them being adorable when they were given the chance - that relationship could be groundbreaking but RIB don’t seem to have the guts to develop it; Mercedes graduated with no family or boyfriend in attendance; Tina could only shine as Rachel; Brittany was dumbed down too much; there were too many unnecessary tribute episodes; Ryan Murphy was too influenced by "shippers”...I could go on...Season four? I don’t think so!
loved glee till this year when the first couple of episodes were so bad dvred them but havn't got around to watching. now that other shows are over will start watching and will skip thru all the silly storylines and watch performances.
OMG that was a great episode cried quite a lot been with Glee since the first episode and seen Glee live complete Gleek. I still stand by my earlier comment Kurt was robbed he should have got into NYADA his audition was 100% better than Rachels and he was not really given a chance to shine at Nationals.
Rachel and Finn in the truck was brilliant was a bit upset Rachel looked so happy in NY after leaving her boyfriend and friends behind.
I am amazed that no one has realized the undercurrent plot of Kurt saying that he didn't get into NYADA. When Finn opened his letter first and said he didn't to the Actor's Studio, Kurt then opened his letter, felt sorry for Finn, and apprehensive about
what Rachel would find in her letter, and said that he didn't get in when he really did, in fact, get in, but didn't want to rub it in anybody's face. What we will see in Season 4 is Kurt showing up at NYADA, where he and Rachel will burst into song and sing a "Welcome to NYADA" duet. I won't even bother to comment on some of the other lunacy that happened in this disappointing and flawed finale.
I'm a bit bummed, not because of Finn and Rachel not getting married since I couldn't care less, but because Kurt and Finn and Rachel won't all be storming New York together. I was really looking forward to that. Santana and Rachel won't have the same vibe, and I will miss Kurt and Rachel singing together. Bummer. Don't actually care about the rest so it probably just means a free space on my dvr. Yay.
Well....what do I say, English episode has just aired. As many people also love Glee. I can't understand why the plot was based mainly upon Rachel, again!!. She is an amazing character yes; but why not focus on others. What is happening with Kurt? why would he not get into NYADA? I know that this is a basis for writers to keep the audience on tender hooks so that they watch the next episode but really.....
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