Game of Thrones Round Table: "Valar Morghulis"

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From at least one emotional death to the appearance of a few (hundred) White Walkers, the Game of Thrones Season 2 finale gave fans plenty to ponder over the next several months.

So let's start pondering! The TV Fanatic Round Table team of Matt Richenthal, Carissa Pavlica, Dan Forcella and Eric Hochberger have gathered below to relive and react to "Valar Morghulis."


What was your favorite scene from the finale?
Matt: As far as Most Memorable and Most Want to Never, Ever, Ever Happen to Me, gotta go with the slow death Brienne gave one of those laughing hyenas.

Carissa: Tyrion weeping as he wrapped his arms around Shae. Damn, that Peter Dinklage can rip my heart to pieces.

Dan: Theon's fantastic speech, which was quickly followed by a hit to the back of the head. I was super pumped, and then laughed hysterically within seconds.

Eric: Hate to rip off Dan here, but never have I been so motivated by anything out of Theon's mouth before. It almost did make me forget about his horrid actions, until his own man hilariously brought it all back.

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What was the saddest death this season?
Matt: Maester Luwin. For his courage in the face of death. For his helpful advice before he passed. For his lifelong long for, and teaching of, Bran and Rickon.

Carissa: The two little boys who were substituted, through no fault of their own, for Bran and Rickon; boys killed by Theon, who was once wards of Winterfell in their exact same capacity.

Dan: The Lannister that Jaime strangled while in Rob's prison. We might not have known him, but it was still heart breaking.

Eric: I suppose saddest should go to every bastard child of Robert's that we didn't know. But where's the fun in that? I was saddest to see Rodrik Cassel go. Besides it just being the most disgusting butchered beheading ever, he was a great Stark man. Close runner up was Maester Luwin. Both great men needlessly killed thanks to the punk ass Theon.

Should Tyrion run off with Shae?
Matt: Totally! It's just a matter of what we name their spinoff. I'm partial to Keeping Up with the Lannister, or maybe Tyrion & Shae Take Westeros, but I'm open to suggestions.

Carissa: Tyrion should never run off. He has more sanity than any member of the Lannisters. They may not know how much they need him, but I have faith he can show them he can do a lot to further their cause.

Dan: What kind of a story would that be? The most captivating character needs to stick around to take care of the mess that is still going on in King's Landing.

Eric: Well, if he wanted to be boring and safe, absolutely. But then he wouldn't be the awesome Tyrion we all love.  And who wants to watch that?

Which storyline has you most excited for Game of Thrones Season 3?
Matt: The most important one of them all: Joffrey, the Iron Throne and who will end up on it.

Carissa: Jamie and Brienne. Very high hopes.

Dan: Whatever Brann is up to.  For some reason, that little guy has me intrigued beyond reason.

Eric: Since he obviously won't run away with Shae, I'm going with Tyrion. That dude isn't just a player in the game, he is Game of Thrones to me.

Grade the season as a whole.
Matt: B-. The highs were very high ("Blackwater"), but the lows were just too frequent. For season one to conclude on Dany and her dragons and season two to offer no progress on that storyline was very disappointing.

Carissa: In comparison to TV as a whole, B. In comparison to Game of Thrones Season 1, I have to say a C. It wasn't nearly as strong as the first season or as compelling. The cohesion wasn't as smooth and I wasn't on the edge of my seat in anticipation each week, waiting for the show to air.

Dan: B. There were still compelling pieces to the season, but they really lost the ability to keep the season great as a whole. I think the problem was that they had too much material and ended up summarizing. They should have scrapped some stories in order to develop others more deeply.

Eric: Relative to season one? B. If the season was simply "Blackwater" or even just ended on a high note like that amazing episode, I would have gone A-.  But this ending felt too True Bloodish as it set up the next season. Not a way to go out. Plus, there were just way too many novel deviations that seemed like they had such cool premises but went nowhere. Dany's stolen dragons? Arya chilling with Tywin?

Matt Richenthal is the Editor in Chief of TV Fanatic. Follow him on Twitter and on Google+.


1. Favorite finale segment: Arya/Jaqen farewell
2. Saddest death of developed characters: Luwin, Saddest in general: baratheon bastards
3. He said it himself, Tyrion needs to stay and outwit his family and enemies
4. Exciting storyline for S3: Snow and intro to Mance Rayder
5. I enjoyed it just as much as last season, I give S2 an A RIP Jaqen H'gar


Yeah I guess it's a little complex with all those different characters and locations and subplots so here's some suggestions to make you happier. First make the scenes simpler. Set it in maybe 2 rooms of the castle and one outside tavern or something they all meet up. And instead of all those subplots where they are always plotting against each other just have maybe one theme in each show. And maybe move it to like NY so the costumes don't distract us. And instead of everyone not getting on and it being hard to work our the good guys and the bad guys just have them all be Friends.


Great season. Love Jon Snow, he is super hot! Hope Dany flies out there with her dragons on iron throne and takes it! Saddest death Master Luwin:( should be goefry or theon insted.


Relative to season 1-B
Compared to any other show-A I understand how people complain Dany did not do much this season, but the "Clash of Kings" was Tyrion's b like "Game of Thrones" was Eddard's book


Best scene: the end the scary blue eyed creature and his followers.
Saddest death: the orphan kids and the bastard babies.
Tyrion should run off with Shae but he wont sadly but that's ok we get to see him more than :) Storyline for season 3 the creatures and watching (hopefully) Joffery get his!!
Grade A-


- Compared to the rest of TV: A
- Compared to season 1: A-
- Compared to the books: A+ - Pros: Having Robb in it at all, Tywin/Arya, Tyrion, Theon, giving Danny something to do (dragon's stolen)
- Cons: Why the change to Talisa? Loved the slow episodes, the fast episodes, the changes, and the condensations. Any nitpicks I have are just that nitpicks. Overall: A


4) Grade C-/D


The show is somewhat hampered because it needs exposition to explain what's going on off screen. There can be no voice overs (Or, I guess there can, but it draws away from the excitement) so they need characters to talk to each other to explain things. This is usually accomplished by having a sage character speak to a neophyte. Tywin and Arya fit that bill perfectly, and so it makes sense...And I am surprised anyone could use this match up in a negative light....In my opinion, those scenes were some of the best of the entire run.

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