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I just think it wrong to only do what a small group of people want
Katie: re "And I still can't get over the switch from him playing football to basketball. If he were a two-sport athlete, that would be something that Tony would surely brag about."
Actually his basketball career was set up in the 1st season episode "dead Man Talking". His football career wasn't mentioned until the 2nd season episode "SWAK".
if they are going to write Tiva together than they need to do it with much care.. I'm not talking about a full on relationship but like what if the season opens with Tony and Ziva in the elevator and Tony is trying to get Ziva to be conscious again and when she finally does he is so happy that he kisses her in the heat of the moment and then it becomes the elephant in the room for the rest of the episode.... Comment what do u think?
I know that NCIS has changed, but I do not really think it is focused on Ziva.. I think that they just had to find a way to wrap up the whole Ray thing because he proposed.. I think that this year they should go back to the basics like seasons earlier in.. I would like to see the after math (BTW they started filming yesterday) Less personal issues... Don't get me wrong I like the idea of Tiva ( which by the way is not all about Ziva, the name doesn't imply that it just means Tova didn't sound right) but
It is about time that something happened with Tony and Ziva! The tension between them has been escalating since the "Reunion" episode in...I think season 7.
there are a couple of ziva haters on this site just wish they could loose the hate for her and talk about smthing else.deep down they know ziva is here to stay and tiva is a real.
the rest of the last sentence is: ....they get stupid.
Ducky will carefully mentor "The Kid", from his bedside, if necessary. Also offers a great opportunity for a "dream sequence" while he's recovering; Abby does what she has to do to stay on top of technology--that's implied and occasionally mentioned. As for "maturing"...why? If I had looked that great at 42, I guarantee I wouldn't have backed off! Besides, TV-land doesn't have the same "time" as reality--one season could be only 1 month in their "lives". Yeah, Tony needs to grow up, emotionally--it's the writers fault if they don't portray him in a more mature and appreciated way. For all of those whining about Ziva--get the hell over it! She's a part of the team, has made her bones and done a good job of fitting in. I'd like to see Gibbs develope something with Diane Neal's character--she's smart enough to keep up with him and knows his "world" better than most. Face it, fans, It's the writers that will make or break this show--by now, they are getting bored and when writers get bored
@senior sit fan pauly maybe 43years but shes not 43 on the show
I don't think that Ziva originally was supposed to replace Tony, but once SB came on board, he decided Tony's depth, cool, skill, competence, intelligence, attention from the opposite sex, and SFA status needed to be ditched so that he could promote Ziva as the tragic wonder agent of the group. IMO it is quite obvious that SB favored CdP and I suspect had something against MW. Then to further assassinate Tony's character, he writes him as being somewhat smitten with her while she treats him like pond scum. Hasn't been a fun ride most of the time for Tony fans in the last couple years.
Many people think Ziva was brought on to replace Kate but my feelings is she was brought on to replace Tony because they took all of Tony skill away and gave them to Ziva
The way Abby was originally conceived was different than Abby now. I like PP so much, that I still enjoy her character, but you are absolutely right IMO about the recent (since around season 6 on) writing for her. Many of the characters became over simplified, one dimensional caricatures of DPB's creations when Shane Brennan took over in season 5. Tony is barely recognizable now from his original character. He used to be cool, dangerous, competent, and was often featured as a heroic brilliant agent. Now only Gibbs and Ziva are given flattering writing or portrayed as exceptionally good agents. It's a shame tptb tossed Tony under the bus to highlight Ziva's skills but that's what they did. Tiva - isn't Ziva. It's a made up name implying romantic feelings between Tony and Ziva. Some fans see it, others - not so much. As the letters imply - it's mostly about Ziva.
Who is TIVA??? I assume everyone is talking about ZIVA. Anyway, does anyone else think it might be time for Abby to grow up a little? Ms. Perrette is 43 years old! How can Abby be such a great scientist with her working all hours; shouldn't she be taking more courses, attending seminars and conferences and learing the latest in technology? And her and Tim clacking on the keyboard - now that's not realistic. And her baby act with Gibbs - yow!!. After nine seasons, Abby needs to mature.
Oh we are going down the Tiva road, thankfully. I can't wait for it. It does not mean that it will be out there for us to 'see' , not just yet -- but in the end, it will be Gibbs that smacks them both and tells them, hey you MORONS get on with it! This will be the season of Ducky and Jimmy..changing dynamics and back to the core of the plot, not so much the characters.. which may be a good thing. I do , however, think it is time to close the shop sooner or later. And trust me, I adore my NCIS, I am a full blown 10 year addict and proud of it.. but it's time.
Just read that MW, PP, and SM signed two year deals. All our favorites are back!
I've been thinking about this a lot, who's rules are we talking about here, are they Gibbs rules or are they actually in the NCIS rules and regulation hand book, when Tony joined Ncis he must of signed a contract excepting all rules and regulations set out in the hand book, but we all know that Gibbs rules 1-51 are his own rules, I wonder what would happen if any one took Gibbs to court about his rules if he would win or lose, I think Gibbs rules would be chucked out of court for been unfair, especially rule 12.
I roo think if tptb actually give us tiva, there will be enormous squeeing and I told you so ing initially, but after a few episodes the show will have changed so much that fans who didn't want it will have left in disgust. Fans who got what they wanted will get bored, as the burning question has been answered and move on as well. How many hot steamy scenes and candle light dinners can NCIS sustain and still be NICS? How many jealousy scenes or lover spats will be interesting or funny? And I'm still not buying the Rule 12 was rendered impotent by EJ. They WERE'NT on the same team. Tony and Ziva are. JMO
Let say they do put Ziva and Tony together what do you think going to happen The Shipper are going to stop watching and go on to a other show and the NCIS fans will be stuck with a onces great Crime show
Let's go down the road of Tiva...perhaps not the genre of NCIS. Who's the Boss, Moonlighting, Cheers, CSI, and House. These are only some TV shows that changed drastically after a romantic entanglement. Most dropped to dismal ratings and the essential characters changed the tone of the series.
Michael, I hate to bring it to you but NCIS has always been focusing on character. Haven't you notice "Gibbs"? Everything else is a direct consequence of the "glue". If you look at other shows, similar or not, they do seem to have rather similar plots, it's "one thing" and things around "it". So let us hope that they will survive with some minor scratches and broken left hand for Gibbs. Tony and Ziva should finally exchange bodily fluids and make little super trained copies of them. Of coarse Gibbs will track Ryan down and most likely kill her ex. and so on and on....
I guess that some of the "who will survive" tension is broken now, huh?
AJA, I agree with you that Tony seems to have gotten MORE immature as time has passed. Ducky has even used terms like "narcissistic" and "pathological need for admiration". What's up with that?
And I still can't get over the switch from him playing football to basketball. If he were a two-sport athlete, that would be something that Tony would surely brag about.
I agree NCIS is becoming CSI too much foucs on one character
I agree with some of what Michael says.....Tiva would change the dynamics of the show. Storylines would cater to them as a couple, CSI anyone? Someone said the last episode of the entire season, I agree. The sexual tension between them is good. Changing that would change all the characters essences.
@amanda i really think michael has issues with what he writes and we all try to ignore him but i know smtimes you cant.
To Amanda - Is that kind of post really necessary? Feel free to dispute, argue, completely debunk and disagree with me, Michael or any other poster, but must you be cruel and personal? It's ugly no matter who engages in it.
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