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Lucy K, not only do I NOT want a Dyson/Bo reunion, but here's a repeat of the VERY first post I wrote here: "I'm a Dyson fan, but this episode wasn't him at his best. In fact, the only characters that I really liked in this episode were Kenzi, Hale and Trick."
That's an objective viewpoint. I've avoided giving my honest opinion about Lauren, because it always results in an instant full-fledged personal attack by the Lauren police (do they patrol every site?). In fact, the last "discussion" was so unpleasant, that I decided to respect the wish of Lauren fans and not say bad things about her. Those same fans, however, had no reservations bashing Dyson on this thread (what's that saying about glass houses?), so I decided to be a honest again! And like clockwork, the site exploded again! It's quite extraordinary!
so he could have Bo all for himself. And I'm not even bringing up the idiocy of the "SLEEP WITH ME" scene. Dyson and Lauren are pretty much on equal footing on everything else, i.e The omitting to protect Bo (season 1) and even to protect themselves when it was convenient (Ciara/Nadia).
*What baffles me is the lengths that fans will go to defend or justify the actions of their favorite, while simultaneously bashing another character for the most trivial things*
What baffles me is that this is something you are also guilty of, especially having started the whole argument here, so spare us the hypocrisy.
People keep harping on a conversation because that was divisive to their relationship. You can go back when episode 1.12 aired in Canada/US and see how people reacted to it. See Brian's comment below. And unfortunately, it is what molded Dyson to who he is now. He IS a selfish character [no one is saying he does not act selflessly]. When he told Bo he didn't want anyone else touching her, he wasn't thinking of anyone but himself. And, really, even if you excuse most of his season 2 actions on the curse (which I also do on atrocious writing), Dyson was already "whole" when he tried to manipulate Lauren into leaving (which no doubt would have crushed Bo) so he cou
Ughhhh.....stupid comments box!! I give up too....
It seems futile to argue over which character is morally better, because they are all flawed in many ways. Both Dyson and Lauren have had their not-so-shining moments, but their intentions are usually good (even if sometimes misguided). Also, the question of who is better for Bo is a moot argument because ultimately, they both deserve more than anything Bo can give them and are both more likely to be hurt by Bo than vice versa. I get that Bo is a Succubus, but that shouldn't absolve her of everything and it certainly shouldn't give her license to use whoever she wants or hurt the people she cares for, even if it's inadvertent. Bo may have certain tendencies and urges that come with being a Succubus, but none of us are experts enough to fully understand what it means. People are rarely defined by the label they're given and if Bo is still learning about herself, none of us can really know what she's capable of doing or not doing. I also think that the only person that Bo has ever dem
What baffles me is the lengths that fans will go to defend or justify the actions of their favorite, while simultaneously bashing another character for the most trivial things. I really don’t have a strong stance on the whole Lauren/secret girlfriend storyline. Lauren’s actions were shady, but I can actually empathize with her reasoning. I mentioned the topic to highlight the lack of objectivity in a lot of the comments. Lauren does something wrong and it’s excusable, because her motivations are pure and unselfish. Dyson tries to do something good, but it means nothing, because everything he does is motivated by a selfish need to control others. That kind of viewpoint is unbalanced and extremely biased. And why do people keep harping on a relatively innocuous conversation between Dyson and Bo 23 seasons ago? I didn’t think it was a big deal then….and I still don’t.
You know what was an easy decision? Abandoning the plan that had been in place for Bo to defeat the Garuda when Dyson breezes back into town (after taking off AGAIN) and says that he is the key to defeating the Garuda. To be fair, Dyson isn't completely to blame for this, I totally think Bo is partially at fault as well. His motive? He wasn't thinking about the rest of the Fae. He was thinking if he succeeded he'd get his love back. That was purely selfish and egotistical move and he was lucky that Ciara was the only one that got killed.
Was Dyson being any less selfish by getting into a relationship with Ciara when he knew he couldn't love her? Bo didn't know Lauren was owned by the Ash so what? She didn't know Dyson was working for Trick either. So Lauren had to make the decision in 1X07 to destroy the Clubhouse w/Kenzi, Hale and Bo still inside but again it's not like it was an easy decision. It was sacrifice them or risk the entire city.
It is no secret both Lauren and Dyson are jealous of Bo and hurt when she is with others. Lauren is more understanding by default because she can not fulfill Bo's needs. Even if they were to live a normal life and Bo would not have to heal, she would still have to feed. That is why she is "ok" with her having to sleep with others (2.01, 2.05, 2.10) when necessary. Because Bo refuses to feed off Lauren, she would have to seek somewhere else. Dyson assumes he is all Bo needs, when that is clearly not the case. She would still need to feed off other people in order to not endeanger his life and I think he hates the fact that he can't be there 100% more than he does having to "share" her.
Funny how people only see what they want to see.
"Making sexual decisions for your patient based on your preferences (especially when you have skin in the game) is unprofessional and an abuse of power."
Except she didn't. She advised her, she didn't tell her what to do. There is no such thing as abuse of power when you are giving the person the free will to choose.
"She wanted a commitment from morning 1. Remember Kayla?"
Sure thing. That's when Lauren wasn't even an option. Kayla happened and then she was. Vexed happened, and then she wasn't. The Norn happened and then she was. Nadia happened and then she wasn't. Bo only jumps from one to the other when something or someone makes the other unavailable to her.
I totally give up. It keeps eating comments and posting partials and some just disappear entirely. This is too annoying to deal with, make the comment box limits match the character count of the posting limit. I don't care this much, see ya in season 3. When hopefully we'll all have moved past the annoying triangle discussion.
(3) Bo didn't want a commitment to Dyson reactionarily to Lauren's betrayal. She wanted a commitment from morning 1. Remember Kayla? And how sad Bo was, because she thought they were exclusive? Dyson said he cared in Vexed, that was the change. He stopped keeping her at arms length and then they slowly came together for realsies. It probably helped at that point that Lauren had betrayed her, because otherwise at that stage there might have been a competition, but since Lauren did, she didn't get to fight that round. (4) A "succubus just starting out"? Making sexual decisions for your patient based on your preferences (especially when you have skin in the game) is unprofessional and an abuse of power. Lauren had no right to pull a doctor's orders card against anyone Bo chose to heal with that wasn't her. It was jealousy and it was snarky. Sure the lab is the one place Lauren felt comfortable enough to assert some authority, hey let's break lots of privacy and professional rules when I g
She's not a "monster standing between Dyson and Bo" that was the Norn. Lauren behaved very selflessly up to a point with Nadia, the point was when Nadia asked about other relationships Lauren may have had during her coma and then it was all about Lauren again. Lauren was also very loyal to the first Ash. But she does have a track record of keeping things to herself if she thinks they might reflect badly on her (what her necklace means, that she called security to incinerate the main character (Hale really appreciated that I'm sure), that the Ash sent her to distract Bo, that she has a comatose girlfriend that she visits every day and has little chats with, that Bo went all Aife when she chi sucked the room of lich et al, that she had two flings with Bo and wasn't so strong and untouched for 5 years). But also that she is emotionally "okay" with Bo having other partners when clearly she isn't. This is not the same as saying "we're not exclusive" that doesn't mean he was happy with it. I
1) Dyson referring to her methods of approach as "sleazy" was actually a direct jab at her - hence her looking hurt by his remark. She did not think those people were horrid. She was clearly tempted about the woman's invite and was willing - until Dyson cut her off. 2) No arguments here. 3) Um, no because: 1) She wasn't lying. A Succubus who is just starting to figure out who she is WOULD be better off with someone less "well-traveled". A medical opinion isn't less correct because it happens to mirror her own. b) She said it was HER choice and conversation was over.
One last thing and then I'm done with my rant. Neither character is perfect. They have both done things for Bo out of their love for her. Both have had dramatic consequences. They both love Bo and are jealous of one another and at the prospect of her sleeping with other people. Again the difference being that one is more accepting of her nature because she is selfless the other, not so much because it is a direction conflict with his need for control. The only way that the gap between them can be bridged is by them respecting, accepting and trusting in Bo's love for them and their love for Bo. Rant done.
They have also damaged Lauren as a character, particularly with the Nadia arc. Not because she ommited the truth, but because of the nonsensical writing for her character throughout mid-season. I agree with whomever said the triangle doesn't do Dyson or Lauren any favors. They create conflict by making Dyson look like a selfish jerk and by making Lauren look shady. Saint Bo walks away with everything.
Guy perspective. That "simple scene" is what ruined their relationship for me. The first time he slept with Bo he was already asking about her interest in sleeping with other people. He was not happy with Bo's interest in Lauren and yet he told her it was her choice to make. He was not lying to himself. He was aknowledging and respecting her right to choose. That was the old Dyson I liked and respected above every other character on the show. Episode 12 turned his character upside down. Suddenly he no longer respects her right to choose. He wants her all for himself. He is no longer acknowleding, he is putting his needs above hers. And then it became all about him. And then he got his love back and there were clear indications the writers are sticking with the late season 1/season 2 pattern other than with their original premise of the character, which is a damn shame because he was once my favorite character.
4) No, that is YOUR problem with the picture especially when you are being hypocritical to begin with. Dyson "lied" for most of season 1 when Bo asked him if it was ok for her to sleep with other people. He was clearly not ok, but at the time he let her make her own choices. And she did. He acknowledged it and respected it. Lauren never said she was "cool". She said the fact Bo slept with someone (to heal) was "Ok" because "it's who you are". That is no lie. Bo knows Lauren is jealous (RE her talk with Kenzi in Vexed) and knows that it hurts her. And yet she is reassured by the fact that Lauren understands this is something Bo needs in spite of how she feels. And that's what it all comes down to. Bo doesn't have to TRY to change who she is because Lauren is not expecting that from her. THAT's where the discrepancy is.
Bo loves them both. This whole notion of Bo being monogamous with either of them is stupid. She may want to be in a committed relationship but physically she just can't. She will kill Dyson if she only feeds from him eventually.Bo knows how fragile Lauren is as a human which is why she refuses to feed from her. And again, really Team Dyson how many times do we need to read about 1.12? We know that is like your holiest chapter of the Bo/Dyson bible, but convenient that you always always leave out Bo's shift in commitment to Dyson because Lauren was out of the picture. I'm certainly not delusional enough to think that Bo and Lauren developed in S2 because of some divine love, no it happened because Dyson was out of the picture.
Well now isn't this an interesting discussion.But let's cut all the bullcrap and get down to the nitty gritty shall we? Dyson, by his nature (which he has admitted and I commend him for) is about control it's good and bad because to control Bo means he can protect Bo, but to control her also means that he's keeping her from learning to fight on her own. It is a duality in character that is his greatest asset but his greatest flaw. I'm sorry but for those of you that see Lauren as nothing more than manipulative and a liar are the ones not seeing the whole picture. By her nature she is selfless not selfish. Is she a saint? Far from it, but she is not the monster that is keeping Dyson away from Bo.
accept him as he is than he is hers. And she wants to try--because that was what she'd been asking for like 7 episodes. Aw, look at those two crazy kids just trying to make it work. 3) When a Dr. w/a clipboard tells you they are uncomfortable w/a life choice you are making which just happens to be you sleeping w/their romantic competition, that IS in fact using a position of authority to manipulate their patient. Which is both jealousy and an abuse of power. Bo comes back and tells Kenzi about Lauren being snarky about Dyson. So she picked up on it and the show explicitly states it wasn't an innocuous exchange. 4) Your problem w/the picture is not watching all of it. The lying is saying one thing and meaning another. She says she's cool, she acts upset. See the discrepancy?
Order and language matter for comprehension people. 1) He didn't call Bo sleazy, he said "less sleazy methods of getting information." He didn't want to have a four-way w/slime balls for info on the case. Bo thought those people were horrid too: "not hiding enough." Totally mean you are right! I also prostitute myself and my friends out for my job. 2) After that he says he doesn't want to share Bo anymore and that that might be a problem, why? Bo asks, because she's been asking and asking for this (why having the monogamous discussion isn't being a jerk). Because she is a succubus it's not her nature. OMG is that Dyson addressing Bo's nature? Bo says that she's more than her species and so is Dyson. Great no problems. But Dyson has gone that route, he tells Bo that trying to change who you are doesn't work. Since they've already said who Bo is, he follows w/his flaws: He is stubborn and territorial and she should be sure because wolves mate for life. But if Bo can accept him as h
"Dyson has no problems with open uncommitted relationships, but if he commits he wants monogamy--what a jerk!"
Wanting to be in a monogamous relationship with a Succubus does not make you a jerk, it makes you deluded. Expecting your partner to change who they are to suit YOUR species propensity for monogamy makes you a jerk. It is quite different.
Um, Dyson was not acknowledging. He was admitting he did not want anyone else touching her (after he called her sleazy, of course) and expecting her to change to suit his needs. You keep forgetting the fact that Bo is a Succubus. By tying a Succubus down you would be denying her of her nature and her most basic needs. And no, sweetie, all we are saying is that Lauren is the better person because she acknowledges and respects the facts that Bo is a Succubus enough to let her make her own choices.
*if Dyson is too "well traveled" to sleep with, what does that make Bo? Saying "it's your nature" while looking like someone ran over your cat is NOT being "understanding." It is just another of Lauren's lies*
Last time I checked, Dyson was not an incubus.
Interesting that even when Lauren did say she would be more comfortable with Bo sleeping with someone "slightly less well-traveled", she said it was HER choice. She didn't lie, she didn't play games, she did not use her position to manipulate Bo into choosing someone else to suit her needs. If being respectful of one's nature by putting their needs above yours means you are a liar, then there is something wrong with this picture.
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