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I can really understand the honest position of people who don't want see any romances, or picturing Ziva or Tony with someone else. With all my respect! But I really do not understand hateful comments. Don't understand WHY we have to look at show through your eyes? Why do you think you are smarter? Why do I have to like only plain fluffy white characters if I prefer more complicated ones?
I don't see any chemistry in Bones, so what ? Do I have to bash show?
Sorry, didn't know there is a limit!
Sorry, but it was TV line Poll, not some small site's or forum's poll.
I agree with you - the majority of the viewers are just enjoying the show. Active viewers are posting and voting. But we can have some ideas what about viewers are thinking. Otherwise CBS and other companies wouldn't spend money on analytics and public affair. SO, ratio somehow close to the reality. Of course who doesn't want to see Tiva want to believe that the majority of people who don't vote or post don't like Ziva and don't want to see Tiva .Why? What kind of logical assumption is that? They are calling us small group. Well, how small are this group if on CBS page is already 152,000 likes on the Tiva post?
Honestly, I think if all 20 ml. viewers were voting we will get more then 6 or 7 % ( correct me) who doesn't. care, less then 86% (just checked!) who wants Tiva , but also certainly less then 7% who is against ! I can really understand the honest position of people who don't want see any romances, or pict
write the premieres and the finales.
That said, I thought the Ducky and Palmer scenes were lovely and I thought the Tony and Ziva scenes were just right. I'm really looking forward to seeing where that relationship is going.
I found the episode mediocre, and I don't think it's because the episode was overhyped or overspoiled. It just wasn't well written. The subplot with the FBI agent was ridiculous and unnecessary and the subplot with the sister-in-law and the graverobbing was just as bad. I guess the reason for the time jump was to have the team on hand, but the team didn't really do much. I think the episode would have worked better if Gibbs had just gone after Dearing right after the bombing, and we could have had some more emotional scenes among the team, dealing with the wreckage and concern over Gibbs. The episode could still have ended with the gauzy moments at the end with the dedication and the building reopened. I don't see what the point was of giving McGee any injury at all; it looked serious but was dealt with him offscreen in a few seconds. Glasberg has some good ideas but tends to ruin his episodes with too much plot and too little resolution. I wish he'd consider letting someone else write
There is no way to know exactly what the percentage is for pro/anti T&Z (I hate combining names). The 85% would be the percentage of the people voting on the poll.
Chances are, if you frequent sites that are ship friendly, it will seem like EVERYONE wants it to happen. Other sites are very anti ship, so it seems that no one wants it to happen.
20 million people watch the show every week. If even 10% discuss it on the net, that's still just a drop in the bucket.
No one, whether for against can claim to know the true numbers.
Internet polls are not exactly accurate. There are too many ways to manipulate them.
Quick Correction: 7x02 is Reunion where T & Z talk in the Men's Room, not 7x01 (the AMAZING Truth or Consquences).
Oh..I see.Again copied and pasted words. Well, I have to say they are 'amazingly fresh' and we all very 'interested' to read that again and again : she pushed Tony, he really can't stand her just was doing his job ..e.t.c.
What can I say. Bravo! You will never give up!
Too bad that CBS, producers, writers, 85% of viewers are not agree with you.
But, hey, you tried!...Again! ;)
@Siento Good!! I'm glad. And yes I think we do agree!! @Ann Sorry Ann, but you actually misquoted that line from 7x01, a VERY important ep for Tony & Ziva. She ACTUALLY said, "I couldn't AFFORD to trust you". Meaning, she didn't want to LOSE or mistrust Tony, as she had the other two. That was one of the highest compliments she could have given Tony, and he immediately "Got it" which is why he smiled right afterwards. Oh and btw: the "Mary Sue" nonsense will NEVER work when it comes to T & Z, so that's another dead horse happily decomposed. Good luck to those continuing to wallow in THAT rubble.
I agree with Charli. The idea of Tiva can be a possibility if both characters agree. Charli indicated a scene from 6 25 (Aliyah). After that episode and 7 1 (Truth or Consequences), there was an episode which stated the position that Tony might be in. Ziva followed him into the men's room to talk with him. He asked a question about her having his back. This was her response: "I trusted Ari, I trusted Michael, I couldn't trust you". Usually relationships do form on trust. Tony would need to think about this if he follows further action. I enjoyed the program. It ended in the right way. Gibbs should have gotten his nemesis. Looking forward to the rest of the season.
@Dani - first of all - when Tony went to ZIva's apartment, he was going to give her a chance to explain why Abby had found that Ziva had been in contact with Tavel - who was a murderer/terrorist. When he got there, Rivkin, who Gibbs had already told to leave, answered the door, and then attacked Tony when Tony tried to take him in.
And while it's true that Tony has always provided the lion's share of the humor on the show, before season 5 and Shane Brennan came along, Tony was also portrayed as clearly second in command, and an extremely gifted, brilliant and able agent. Once Shane Brennan decided to turn Ziva into the resident Mary Sue, most fanwanked, wonder woman, Tony suddenly lost his intelligence, fighting skills, and any story which even remotely flattered his character. This is still the case, although Gary Glasburg doesn't seem quite as intent on utterly humiliating him week after week.
I loved the NCIS premiere. I had no doubt that Gibbs would be the one to take Dearing out. Dearing wanted to die, he had caused the pain to the Navy that he intended too. He knew Gibbs wanted to bring him in but would kill him if he went for the gun so Gibbs did what had to be done. For Gibbs, his team at NCIS is his family except for his Dad. I loved the show. So glad Ziva and Tony didn't hook up. I like the sexual tension being kept between them. Tim and Abbs I think will eventually end up married. That would be sweet. He loves Abbey so much.
Nat, you didn't offend me at all. I thank you fot your POV and the respectful way it was presented. Ultimately, I think we agree more than disagree. I like all the characters and love the show despite some quibbles (but that's part of the fun of being a fan, right?), and hope for some great episodes this season, so I'm good.
..willing to make a go of it.
Tony has ALWAYS been "The Clown" of NCIS, and pretty much always will be. He's the funny one on the show; that's his role. It has NOTHING to with Ziva or any other team member. He's also been a Chief Instigator, Agitator, & "Inapropriate Jokester", and has often PROVOKED the aggresive reactions he has received from others - INCLUDING his partner(s). Tony is no Saint, and has even killed other people. They all have. There's nothing more violent than taking the life of another, including Rivkin, which Tony had NO BUSINESS going after unaccompanied without backup. If I were Ziva I would have been infuriated too. It really doesn't even matter anymore. Tony SEEMS to be trying to grow up and evolve, as well as the other charcters. They've ALL learned from their past mistakes. They're human. Tony LIKES Ziva, clearly, and vice versa. They're willing to put aside the hurts & they've BOTH caused. And THAT is what's called an ADULT relationship. Kudos to the both to them for being will
I agree that this should have been a two hour show. There was so much that needed to be said after such a long buildup to the premier. I did think the ending was terrific. The way that Gibbs held him up with the knife and stared into his eyes until the light went out. That was pure street justice, and Dearing deserved it completely. I love the way these people come together for each other, after all that's what families are supposed to do.
I agree with many that the season opener was a bit of a dud. But then i was cringing at the possibility of Tiva... as far as I'm concerned, there is no chemistry romantically between Tony and Ziva. I think the Ziva character is way overblown anyway. I just don't see Tony getting involved with someone who shove a loaded weapon into his chest for doing his job and being a good partner. Friends, yes..teammates, yes...partners at work, yes...but a couple, no, i'm sorry i just don't see and was glad that there was of it there in the elevator. Tony has been the "clown" for too many years, and they all happened after Ziva arrived, before that he was a good, competent agent who jokes around with everyone. The jokes have turned bitter. and that's not a good thing.
as far as the 'bad guy' goes, Dearing died too easily. He had been a 'worthy' opponent for NCIS , in that he was cunning, evil and one-step-ahead of them, ..for them to find him and take him out that easily, seemed like a let d
I am new to this, so have pity on me. Seems a lot of you know each other. Just my take on it as I saw it. In my opinion, this show HAD to be mostly about Gibbs, because as he said, "HE HURT MY FAMILY". Therefor it was about HIM and how he handled someone who tried to take his misery out on those he felt were responsible for his sons death, then it went to those trying to stop him. The others will be back. What makes me wonder though,is the fact that everything he did was very WELL thought out.To allow himself to be taken out so easily,doesn't fit. Somethings amiss.
I was somewhat disappointed in the episode as a whole not sure why just wasn't like episodes of past no real suspense and no one heals that quickly from this kind of terrorism act look at how long it took for Oklahoma bombing 911 was much worse even Gibbs shouldn't be able to just let it go if he calls them family look how long it took him after he list Kelly and Shannon just disappointed all the way around hopefully this season gets better or we' ll lose our favorite show
The only worry that I had with this episode is that the ending suddenly reminded me of "Enemies Domestic" only it was Vance with the knife (given to him by Gibbs. The only difference to me was that there was, in the latest episode, no mention of Rule #9.
@siento I understand your point, but I still think (sorry if I offend don't mean to) that "Sr. Agent Tony" was NOT the point of THIS episode. Just b/c he's "Sr. Agent" does NOT automatically qualify Tony to share equal airtime in every episode! lol that's crazy!! It's good to show a GOOD balance of ALL four agents, actually. I LIKED what Gary did w/ Ziva, being upset that Gibbs wanted to go "solo". She was worried. That's just her way of showing it. Tony was worried, but he KNOWS HIS BOSS very well. He stepped BACK on this one, as he should have!! Tony was written properly for THIS episode. He let his BOSS take the Reigns on this one, as he should have. This was GIBBS's fight. That's all I was trying to get across. We're only 1 episode into the next season, folks. There will be PLENTY of "Tony" time to come, I'm sure.
Nat, I certainly don't want or expect the "Tony Show", but , sorry, when every other team member seemed to be performing some function in the case "except" the senior agent, and Ziva TWICE voiced concerns about Gibbs plans while Tony remained uncharacteristically silent, it's hard not to notice or question. And btw, I thought Gibbs, as well as Mark Harmon, were excellent in the episode. I realize Gibbs is the "star", I just prefer a more balanced team following him, as well as keeping the characters a bit more "in character".
Although there were things I enjoyed(Tim looking like a little boy when he sees the glass shard, and Gibbs touching his cheek, was a sweet moment),I felt the episode was underwhelming and anti-climactic. The writer was presented with so many opportunities to explore,and basically failed to deliver.The elevator scenes were ok,with some overt flirting on Tony's part and a few looks from Ziva,but there was nothing to make me feel the two were more than friends,and I wish Ziva would act less dismissive with Tony. Yeah, there's some UST, but that alone won't make a relationship. As far as the under-used Tony arguments, I agree. He was nothing more than background scenery in this episode,and it seemed completely OOC to have him silently look on as Ziva not once but twice argued with Gibbs about Dearing! He is still the Senior Field Agent,right,with 12 years with Gibbs and 6 before that as a cop? Tim was a little better used in this episode,but poor Tim needs some face time this season.
In my opinion, all Team Members should and do support each other. I feel the reason Tony was mentioned because of the adverse comments he has received. (See comments on first page under the bio). They are all great team members and cast.
(Cont'd) EVERY SINGLE TEAM MEMBER would NOT be "Alive" today if it weren't for their fellow team members!! They ALL have protected, rescued, & stood by one another the past 10 years. They've ALL had each other's backs, period. That's the way it should be. I'm also THRILLED for Tony & Ziva's relationship as a subplot. Mr. Weatherly, Ms. DePablo, Mr. Glasberg & CBS are obviously excited as well. I've never seen NCIS get THIS much global attention as it is for this new season!! People are Excited. It's been a long time coming, and it's clearly what the Mass Audience WANTS to see - even if "every" fan doesn't agree. Full Steam Ahead for Tiva!!
Steve/Matt/Eric: Great comments. I always enjoy reading your RT chats :-) 1st of all, this should've been a 2-HOUR premiere. There wasn't enough time to tell the entire story. The team seemed to bounce back WAAAY too fast for me. I agree w/ Steve's gripe: FBI should've DEFINITELY taken out Dearing while he was out on the street. Doing it via "Love Shack" was Dumb & a COMPLETE waste of valuable agents. Dearing should NOT have been privy to the FBI that quickly. I wasn't crazy about the ending, but in away it was appropriate. Gibbs vs. Dearing; just like it should have been. I wanted a Gunfight a la "O.K. Corral" style, but hey...maybe that's just me. Speaking of Gibbs/Dearing, people complaining about "not enough Tony" in THIS ep completely missed the entire storyline. GIBBS is the Star of NCIS, and THIS episode rightfully featured HIM, in the end. This was GIBBS' show - not Tony's. There wasn't much for Tony to do in THIS ep b/c there wasn't SUPPOSED to be. Another thing: EVERY SI
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