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Elementary Round Table: "While You Were Sleeping"

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We're back with another edition of the Elementary Round Table.

Fresh off a follow-up episode of this CBS drama that left our critic very happy, the panel of staff writers Carissa Pavlica and Jim Garner, along with Amanda from Grizzlybomb.com and Brian from Geek Magazine, have gathered to breakdown "While You Were Sleeping."

Read on and chime in with your own take on the installment...

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What was your favorite scene from the episode?
Amanda: My favorite scene was the second group meeting. Between Watson threatening Sherlock with a push pin in the soft part of the thigh, there are a lot of nerve endings there and Sherlock playing the world's tiniest violin, it was really fun to watch

Carissa: Sherlock burning his violin and likening the experience to feeling like Jimi Hendrix. I love those smart-ass comments and he does them so well!

Brian: I actually liked the end when Sherlock tells Watson "Well you always know it Watson. If you didn't - it wouldn't be penance." This is the first time in 2 episodes that the character actually felt like Sherlock to me. Not with outward, obvious suffering as depicted through drug abuse and anti-social behavior, but with a true sense of something deeper. It was a good line.

Jim: I'm with Brian on this one. Sherlock's insight that if he is punishing himself that he is aware of it was insightful on a few levels. Makes me wonder if he is infact doing penances.

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Are you glad they included Sherlock Holmes' trademark violin?
Amanda: I was a music major (french horn) in college so of course I'm going to love it. I don't know that I would have actively missed it but I do appreciate it's return. I particularly appreciated their choice of music as that is one of Bach's most beautiful pieces.

Carissa: Yes. I am especially happy he didn't actually burn it in the aforementioned Jimi Hendrix moment!

Brian: I'm glad when they do anything that is 'Trademark Holmes', and the show seems to be slowly moving in that direction, so I guess it's a good sign.

Jim: I had commented to my wife last week that Miller was the first Holmes not to have a violin, so it was kinda of cool to have a "I knew it!" moment during the episode. And as Carissa said, him burning the first one and talking about Jimi was great.

What Sherlock Holmes character would you like them to add first?
Amanda: I love Mycroft. Always have. I would like to see Elementary's interpretation of Sherlock's older, and more intelligent, brother.

Carissa: Sadly, I know very few classic Holmes characters, so I'll have to go with Moriarty because at least I know of the nemesis. Eeek. I'm going to be flamed for that. I can already feel the burn!

Brian: Well I have a feeling they will hold off on Ms. Adler till the finale, and Mycroft would make sense to introduce soon, he certainly has a way of adding to Sherlock's neurosis. But one of my all time favorite characters is Moriarty, so that's who I'm most excited to see, if just don't feel like they've established Sherlock enough yet to justify giving him a nemesis.

Jim: I suspect that we will get Moriarty before any others, as he is the most well known. But, as Brian pointed out, they need to fully establish Holmes first or Moriarty won't feel like a true nemesis.

What do you think of Detective Bell?
Amanda: I didn't think much of Detective Bell. I take that back, it's not that I didn't think much of him, I'm sure he's a great guy, it's that I didn't think of him at all. Besides the "assaulting a police officer" farce, I can't say that his presence was all that important to me.

Carissa: I'm with Amanda on this one. I didn't think much of him at all. Not in a negative sense, just that there was little impression to be made. Maybe he'll swing by later and knock my socks off.

Brian: Well, it was nice to Jon Michael Hill get some more work as I thought he did a great job on Detroit 1-8-7, flawed as that show was. Bell serves a purpose here though, it's not enough for Sherlock to simply solve crimes with the help of the police as he often seems to feed off of the doubt flung at his abilities. I think he rather enjoys proving the doubter wrong, Bell provides a service there, and could be valuable in the future. The other thing that makes him nessacary is the fact that this show is on CBS. Where the BBC show only needs enough repeat characters to fill out 3 episodes a years, CBS will likely air more than 20 a year. That's gonna require more characters to fill out the storylines.

Jim: Apparently Brian and I shared many similar thoughts this week, as he echoes what I said in my review. But just to clarify: I like Bell, I hope we get to see him and Holmes butt heads a little more.

Did you figure out who the murder was or were you surprised?
Amanda: I am the worst person to watch these types of shows with because I always figure it out. Always. So yea, I knew who the murderer was. I even told my husband how they did it about the mid-way point. He wasn't too thrilled.

Carissa: It was a fairly easy case, because the clues were too in-your-face. There was far too much emphasis on the coma and whether Yvette was really in it for her to be in the coma, so it came as no surprise that it was medically induced and she was the bad girl.

Brian: I suspected as soon as we found out that Yvette Ellison had been dating a married doctor (thus establishing a shaky moral ground to stand on) and as soon as the woman at the Addict Meeting starting telling the story about how she manipulated a married doctor, it became pretty clear.

Jim: As mentioned in my review, it was a really obvious case. Carissa nailed it for this case, the clues were not so much clues as really obvious road signs!

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    The first Holmes character to add is Irene Adler. Let's watch Lucy kick her a**.

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    I wish I could understand more words from the actor. His accent is hard to understand. And I so want to get this show. Please tell the producers to tone it down. For now, I'm switching channels.

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    It's a very mediocre show without the charm of The Mentalist, or any other well done show. Sherlock is often difficult to understand and I am tired of running the backward to listen again (and often again) to figure out what he mumbled. My husband thinks the show has some promise and for me it's nice background noise while I read a good book.

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    Always a fan of Holmes and Watson even back to old Rathbone era. I find Robert Downey Jr Holmes fun to watch. But this machine gun dialogue from Holmes is annoying. I could not even watch the whole episode. Big thumbs down.

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    I had such high hopes for this show since I know for a fact what a good actor Miller is (worked with him on Deadman's Walk). But I don't think even that can save this pooly scripted mess. And he doesn't do the British thing well. Does anyone think this will last?

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    Favourite scene - the final talk about penance between Holmes and Watson. That was a really good moment. I like it when writers are giving us those little things to show us something new about a character, instead of just drowning us with all at once.

    Holmes' trademark violin - including that was a good move!

    What Sherlock Holmes character would you like them to add first? Definitely Mycroft.

    Detective Bell - I didn't care all that much about him, but I like him better than the guy from the pilot.

    As for the murder case - I was a little disappointed about that aspect of the episode. I figured it out the minute they showed us Yvette in the hospital bed.




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