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Emma: What am I suppose to tell Henry? Regina: Tell him that in the end it wasn't too late for me to do the right thing.
October 29th, 2012 3:23 PM
["Charming punching Whale for sleeping with Mary Margaret/Snow was awesome, mostly because it's something David never would have done."]
I didn't find it awesome. I found it dickish. After all, "David" must have slept with his "wife" Kathryn for a long time.
Rank: Recurring Character
October 29th, 2012 2:37 PM
I agree with the reviewer that it was great to have skeptical, kick-butt Emma back to see through Hook's lies. Good for her! I love watching her and Mulan and the annoying princess finding their way through the magical land together. They're not at all faint of heart and they are bonding and learning more about how to get home and defeat the evil Cora.
I felt only slightly bad for Regina, who didn't have to become evil, she only had to realize that her love was gone, and mourn, which is the mature thing to do. Instead she becomes evil so she can try to find a way to bring him back, even AFTER she was told that it wasn't really possible...what a stupid move from a supposedly smart woman. The fact that she was screwed over by Dr Frankenstein and all the other guys doesn't surprise me, and shouldn't have surprised her...there is no honor among bad guys. BTW, yes, James Whale was the director of the original Frankenstein movie with Boris Karlof.
October 29th, 2012 2:33 PM
i still thoroughly enjoyed this episode but i wish that they would just get with the plot. i miss emmas interactions with regina and not enough charming family time
Rank: Recurring Character
October 29th, 2012 2:02 PM
@Nicole - You're right. Cora's vault was under the fireplace of Snow's castle IIRC. I didn't quite understand that scene. Cora was doing magic long before Regina met Snow's father. You think she would have had a heart vault someplace else. Regina's vault was under the Storybrooke mausoleum, where Daniel's body was located.
October 29th, 2012 1:26 PM
Apparently James Whale was the director of the original movie or something. So it was a hint. Side note: I don't think the vault Regina was referring to was the same as her mother's. I think Regina created her own vault and by saying that realized that she had pretty much become her mother. It'll be interesting to see if this season facing her mother gives her an opportunity to really face what she has become and decide to go down another path. Not as good as last season so far, but still one of my favorites! :-)
October 29th, 2012 1:14 PM
Why were they calling Dr. Frankenstein Dr. Whale?
Rank: Recurring Character
October 29th, 2012 12:59 PM
Had to add that Lana Parilla was AWESOME in this episode! Add another layer of conspiracy in Rumple-Jefferson, and the tale of Frankenstein almost seemed incidental. Rumple's determination to gain Regina as a student must go back to Cora, the original miller's daughter of Rumple's fairy tale. Cora is one of the few people that bested Rumple at his own game. He wanted another child after he lost Bae, and thought he could get Cora's. But, she guessed his name and he lost. Training Regina & turning her against her mom was the ultimate revenge against Cora. He didn't win Regina as a baby. But, he certainly got her as an adult.
Rank: Guest Star
October 29th, 2012 11:58 AM
So i had to spend a whole season till i could figure out who Whale was...how long till we find out who the f@@@ is his brother?!!!I'm guessing a character from the horror mythology...like Dracula...or maybe he became Dracula after Victor revived him the first time. It'd be really cool if he was actually a vampire hunter at first and after death was changed into a vampire.
Anyway...the fact that Victor didn't uncover his face leads me to believe that they're probably twins. And that's possibly the only thing i'm almost certain about.
Rank: Recurring Character
October 29th, 2012 11:54 AM
@fanboy826 - I like David & Henry. Henry is a human child, and the only reason that the core characters found each other. Now that Regina has let Daniel go once and for all, Henry remains the reason for her existence. As much as some viewers are annoyed by Henry, he's essential to the motivations of the main characters. I'm sure Charming would have thrown Regina across the town line by now & left her to fend for herself if Henry hadn't pleaded for her life. I think what is needed is more Regina-Henry scenes so we know just what this woman means to this boy. That is the part that is lacking for me.
As for Jefferson, Victor, & the Magic Hat, yes Jeff can only travel to magical realms. He & Victor traveled to the EF via the hat. We saw them jump into it to return. It's because Victor's "reality" is as real to us as Wonderland or Neverland. He comes from the same reality as FRANKENWEENIE - TimBurtonLand!
October 29th, 2012 11:23 AM
They are losing me.
Rank: Extra
October 29th, 2012 11:16 AM
Does anyone else find the Henry/David moments as grossly cheese as I do? I really want them to stop. "We Are Both" has some really great moments for the two of them, and present day Storybrooke in general has been far superior to present day Enchanted Forest, but we got to get something going with Henry because he's just annoying filler right now.
That being said, mad props to the writers for his episode. Weaving to different mythologies together was enough to may be geeking out all over this episode, especially since I recently read Frankenstein. The identity of Dr. Whale has been bugging me since Season 1 and I think he got a pretty good storyline. Now, we just to figure out where the heck August is.
Final note: Didn't Rumple say that Jefferson's hat could only travel to magical realms? How did Victor get to the Enchanted Forest? Is his science considered our world's "magic?" Something to think about...
Until next week... (8.5/10)
Rank: Recurring Character
October 29th, 2012 9:58 AM
Just want to give a shout out to all of the fans who believed this show to be some kind of Disney character off-shoot: Start Thinking Outside of the Box! If you haven't read any interviews by the creators, you're in for a shock. From the beginning, they have been clear that their intent was to explore many different worlds - fairytales, myths, legends, fantasy, science fiction. It's IMAGINATION that is their playground; not the Disney vault.
BTW, anyone else catch Rumple's reference to Dorothy's ruby slippers? Don't get mad at me. This is not a spoiler. Henry's book had a picture of the flying monkeys in the very first episode of the series.
Rank: Recurring Character
October 29th, 2012 9:31 AM
Well done! Our family thoroughly enjoyed this episode. I don't see how people can call it "filler" when you have the backstory of how Regina & Jefferson met, and how she was manipulated into becoming the person she is today. Karma is indeed a bitch, and Rumple, Jefferson & Victor got/are getting a taste of it. Victor could have probably revived Daniel. But, having Regina & Daniel together would not fit their end game. In conspiring to deny their love, Rumple & Victor continue to be separated from the people they want so hard to find.
The weakness of Enchanted Forest Present (EFP) continues to be the presence of Mulan & Aurora. They bring nothing to that world that is unique, nor do they possess any skills that aid in the quest to return to Storybrooke. They simply walk next to Emma & Snow, who do all the heavy deduction & work. Meh. Please...get rid of them, or have them bring something to the party other than whining & a cool warrior outf
October 29th, 2012 9:14 AM
Excellent episode. I enjoyed the little things. When I first saw Whale in FTL I was wondering why he was so pale. Then at the end when he went back to his land and his land was in black and white, brillant.
Secondly I enjoyed the references to Pirates of the Caribbean. The magical compass? And Hook calling himself a blacksmith first?
I, too, had my doubts about bringing in Frankenstein, but they made it work beautifully. I'm enjoying Regina's backstory more than I thought I would too.
October 29th, 2012 8:41 AM
@ Van, your theory is kind of what I meant by horror science being like magik. Exposition might be annoying but it is helpful. Maybe hatter saying that there is magik on whales world. A reference to a count who drinks blood and lives forever who is even worse than the dark one would have been a nice set up for next halloween. I guess whales dimension is the horror dimension. I hope we might see a science fantasy dimension some day. Maybe a certain submarine captain. Another question, we know regina kidnapped certain people, but did she kidnap all her enemies from different dimensions or did whale come back to the enchanted forrest to continue his work? Oh and the final shot of dr whale bringing the monster to life was a great flashback. He should have shouted, its alive.
Rank: Regular Character
October 29th, 2012 7:52 AM
I am glad we finally know why some people was brought to storybrooke and some not. I hated Rumple for what he did to Regina and now he gets mad because she is becoming better than him. I love the Emma and Hook scenes but I don't want them together and how did Snow end up with Hook hand. I cannot wait to see the giant next week. You can always expect a pirate to know where something is. Then do everybody need a reason to go to Storybrooke.
October 29th, 2012 5:47 AM
I feel like this episode was almost like a filler. Maybe that's a bit harsh, but it definitely did not move the plot forward very much. It gave us a backstory to Regina after the massive Rumple flashback. But it didn't teach us any more than we already knew about Regina: she was innocent, betrayed by her mother and tutored by Rumple. Although Hatter and Rumple aided her transformation, it was still her choice to become evil.
My other beef with this episode is that it felt like Hook was re-introduced. It would have been nice if they spent less time with a BS-ing Hook and more time delving into the beanstalk story.
I am, however, still enjoying the Darming/Henry relationship. It's a nice way to bring normalcy and innocence into the show, especially with the abundance of angst and tragedy.
October 29th, 2012 5:35 AM
@John
I think that Frankenstein's world is a magic world, regardless of what he says. I mean, reviving a death corpse with surgery and electricity is pretty much not something that can be done in our* world, so at least there has to be some sort of low magic: not enough the be developed in the forms of spells, but enough to alter physical and biological laws in occasion and manifest some supernatural phenomena.
Not all worlds have the same "amounts" or magic, nor does it present on the same form ("Magic works/is different here")So maybe the hat just needs a minimal amount to make the connection. Storybrook (before season 2) was pretty much a world without magic.
*Storybrooke, who pretty much is our world, now has magic, so would the ressurrection have worked before Gold's ploy?
Rank: Regular Character
October 29th, 2012 5:10 AM
i also liked the chemistry between hook and emma
October 29th, 2012 4:38 AM
I wonder if regina found out how rump & jefferson tricked her and that is why she got her revenge on them both later on. I love the irony rump & hatter created their own monster. Although rumps goal was always creating someone to release the curse. I am a bit confused by hatter. He can only travel to magical worlds? If so how can he travel to frankensteins world that has no magic just science like earth. Is hatter lieing to rump so he can protect his business deal with rump or is horror science like magik?
The juxtaposition of the healthy way charming mentoring henry on being a knight and evil way rump mentors regina was nice. So far the least interesting part of the series this year is present day fairytale land. Emma & snow are just not as interesting so far as regina rump & charming. well the show has done a great job changing the dynamics of the series (like emma vs queen) without us longing for the way things were in season 1.
October 29th, 2012 4:32 AM
Yeah Emma had some chemistry with Hook, but I love her most with Jefferson! Jefferson is my favorite character and I hope we get to see more of him. I'm somewhat confused though, was Rumple able to send Whale back to his land after he fixed his arm? Because that was him bringing his brother back and if so does that mean he's gone from Storybrooke now. And another thing. Since Rumple now has all this power why can't he fix Jefferson's hat so they could try to use it and go get Emma and Snow. I mean if he can reattach an arm shouldn't he be able to fix a hat?
Rank: Guest Star
October 29th, 2012 2:56 AM
Am I the only one noticing the sublities in darming? In s1 david was a pushover. Even as charming he didn't have the arrogace of a prince. Darming has grown. He walks and talks more confidently. I love it. Whoever plays rump deserves some type of award. The differnce between gold and rump are crazy. And that GIGGLE. UGGGGHHHHHHHHH. And Iwill say it again: snow is a BAMF!!!
October 29th, 2012 2:29 AM
Thank God they are not all Disney characters. And by the way did Disney invent all fairy tales? I mean seriously.
Rank: Recurring Character
October 29th, 2012 1:43 AM
Agree that Hook and Emma had chemistry. But that actor is so hot, I bet he could have chemistry with pretty much anybody...
Rank: Recurring Character
October 29th, 2012 1:42 AM
@Angie, they are not all Disney stories. They are storybook characters, which means any character of a famous story or fairytale could be in it.