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November 3rd, 2012 6:28 PM
MEH that would be a great episode!
November 3rd, 2012 6:15 PM
The devil is, in the details. I watched Devils Cherry again and Guess what I found! When Jane is in the kitchen and the cup drops, I believe for the second time, I noticed Janes shoes are black, not brown. After the kitchen scene they are brown again! The next episode ( not one red cent)he's wearing white shoes! Hmmmmm! Something is going on here. Could this be a clue to Jane having a evil twin? Please someone take a look! If this is really what I saw, Then they are actively leaving us clues.
November 3rd, 2012 5:51 PM
More on the Red Dawn episode. It keeps bothering me. Why run it now? The only reason I can think of is that Bruno Heller and Simon Baker have decided to pursue the Jekyl-Hyde scenario after all. Going back to "Blinking Red Light" I saw a fair amount of hints to that in how Panzer related to Jane as "kindred spirits" and criticizing Jane for living a double life. Two serial killers understanding each other at some level? Jekyl-Hyde would explain why we have had no sign of a massive FBI search for a serial killer that has infiltrated their ranks so effectively and why some significant characters simply disappear from the plot, and why Wainwright diagnosed Jane as a psychopath, with Jane then asking Lisbon if she agreed. All clues? This would mean some episodes were delusional in whole or in part as the workings of Jane's mental illness. Otherwise he have had to be in two places at once. Oh well, there are clues to support any scenario, to who knows?
November 2nd, 2012 7:54 PM
I'm wondering why this episode wasn't used as the pilot. It would have left us wondering about Jane's mental stability when others told him he was "damaged." Were they right? Was he delusional? And the Minelli character would have been far more interesting, knowing his early involvement, when Rebecca killed his agents and he then retired from the job. We would have wondered more about the nature of RJ after seeing that initial limo scene. As for Jane and Lisbon, the episode left Jane, who came in distraught and homeless, sleeping peacefully on his couch, surrounded by his RJ files, with Lisbon at hand. He had found a home, his purpose, and someone to take care of him. Sweet. Endearing. Simon Baker plays Jane as such an adorable, lovable character. You just want to take him in and give him some milk and cookies and tell him everything will be OK.
November 2nd, 2012 5:06 PM
@anitraward1: I remembered an interview where Simon Baker appeared very amused by the idea PJ = RJ. Don't remember which one or when any more. He may have developed his fondness towards this idea after knowing it. Lol.
I don't think the person in the limo is RJ. Red herring. So is Visualize. But I do think RJ might be an organization. It would be interesting if Jane could turn one brainwashing organization (Visualize) against the other (RJ). Just a thought.
November 2nd, 2012 4:27 PM
THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS!
November 2nd, 2012 4:23 PM
Let's not get lead down the primrose path! Red John has been in this series from the very begining. The writer's and Bruno Heller know exactly who he is. They have had 5 long years to develope the Red John character and judging from the way the episodes are written, it will not be a let down! This show sets the standard in the industry. That's why so many people watch it. I don't think Heller brought us this far to show us Red John in the back of a limo. That would be seriously lame and a insult to the viewers. This show gives us clues in every Red John episode. The question is what have we as the viewers missed? At the end of the series (I wish it would never end.) we are going to be banging our heads wondering how we could have missed all the clues in plain sight. I'm going to keep digging! As Jane quoted "THE DEVIL IN IN THE DETAILS!"
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November 2nd, 2012 10:48 AM
This is what we know so far as this season and the reason why Kevin Corrigan has been introduced, and is a possible suspect to be RJ. If he isn't I think he is definitely working with him. Kevin Corrigan is playing a character called Robert Kirkland and is the man in the limo at the end of Red Dawn. He is going to be in at least Episodes 7 and 8 and probably more. It is interesting to note that in episode 8 Jane goes to Visualize to see Bret Stiles to help ferret out Lorelei....so we shall see how Corrigan aka Strickland plays out...I am sure Visualize is somehow connected..I don't believe Stiles is RJ...but maybe a former leader of the cult that was usurped by Stiles? Maybe...
November 1st, 2012 11:20 PM
Ok, my previous comment got cuttoff somehow... I was just saying how in that alien episode, that the guy inferred that Cho had been subjected to alien kidnapping. Is that who Cho is so unemotional and detached personally??? Maybe food for thought.....
November 1st, 2012 11:16 PM
Can't believe nobody is talking about how easily Minelli decided to give Jane the Red John Files. No police person would EVER give a person (much less a person they just met) case files to a murder (let alone a presumed serial killer. No way would he give Jane the files to make up for Hannigan hitting him. Minelli is easily back on my suspicious list along with countless others.... especially also with Minelli at the end talking to the FBI
My take is that there is no Red John person at all. Red John is either a code name or project name and somehow Jane is involved. To make Red John an actual person who is a murderer ignores the hundreds of clues and hints thoughout the series. This brings me back to most likely to Stiles and Vizualize.
I'm also working the idea that aliens/alien invasion is involved. I know... this sounds silly. But there has been hints and references to this in previous episodes. Plus, an episode about alien kidnapping... and Cho is told by the guy that he
November 1st, 2012 7:17 PM
Here's what's needed to make the Red John thing work: There has to be some kind of ideology going on to make these RJ minions so willing to kill and die at RJ's command. No one does that without following an all-consuming ideology. The only place an ideology of any kind is being preached is at Visualize. It seems to be broadly patterned after an odd mix of Scientology and Opus Dei (per the Dan Brown novels). There has to be money and power and lots of it. So any candidate for THE Red John (the mastermind behind this whole enterprise) has to have that. So maybe it's the guy in the limo, whoever he is. The writers have left lots of loose ends ready to pick up whatever works best when they get the show's cancelation notice. This limo-guy thing might be one they can create and wind up quickly without the complexity needed to turn other suspects into the real Red John. Maybe.
November 1st, 2012 2:56 PM
I love the whole Red John concept that is the hook that's holds this series together. Being teased by who he might be or might not be. This is the mysterious part of the show that we think about when we are being entertained by a regular episode. Otherwise the show would be called Castle!
November 1st, 2012 2:45 PM
MEH, Bruno Heller said no to this idea.
November 1st, 2012 2:42 PM
MEH I went back to the inteview I saw and this is what Simon Baker said; "I fantasized about the idea that Patrick Jane is such a narcissist that he's created this whole existence for himself and he's given himself a position in life to seek revenge against a crime which he's committed himself. A self perpetuating cycle that he's created. He is a Dr. Jekyll / Mr Hyde character." This quote is from the special features in the third season.
My favorite mentalist quote, HE IRKS ME, HE'S IRKSOME.
November 1st, 2012 12:59 AM
The man in the limo mus have been Red John.
They wouldn't just randomly show us this guy and have him just turn out an accomplice. We've had enough of those.
I love how they told us who the mole was an how she's actually been there with Red John the whole time.
Minelli probably has no idea that he's handing off info to Red John. He's definately not on my suspect list.
Hey, I may be wrong, but I am 99% sure that that man was Red John.
October 31st, 2012 4:24 PM
My money is on someone you wouldn't expect. you ready? Grace VanPelt
October 31st, 2012 10:38 AM
RJ wanted to watch how Jane suffers after he killed his family. During the time, he probably returned Jane's obsession with him, and became equally obsessed with Jane. Lol. I think there is an unexplored potential in this complex relationship. Hard to say what.
I have high hopes for Lorelei. She could make the RJ storyline fresh and interesting again. For me, the journey of finding RJ is more fun than the final revelation who RJ is.
October 31st, 2012 12:26 AM
Whoever Red John is, he/she/they must be wealthy and influential, able to manipulate people to even kill and die on command, and run around in a limo just to make a phone call. That limo may have been put in as a clue that it's someone like that. If it's someone we've already seen, who is able to do that? I can think of only Brett Stiles, Walter Mashburn, Cristina Frye and Erica Flynn. Anyone else? Someone secretly wealthy? It could be someone from Jane's past, possibly carrying a revenge grudge for some psychic thing Jane did. A couple of those people have already tried to kill Jane for that. He has a very complex past that might be catching up with him. I'm still wondering why RJ has bothered to keep track of Jane since killing his family.
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October 30th, 2012 10:02 PM
To add, I agree with others that the Jane-Lisbon dynamic was interesting. Clearly Jane has had an influence on her, she was quite dry, stoic and kind of cold to him, which is realistic for how they met. As for the end scene, no, that's not Red John, that would be WAY TOO EASY. The question is whether the character is relevant at all. If I had to guess though a) its a younger version of a character we've seen b) its an a guy related to FBI that may or may not have relevance towards Red John. I tend to think that this is all a changeup by Bruno and that the idea that he could be somebody was by design for viewers but he'll end up not being that big.
October 30th, 2012 10:02 PM
About the time line: Unless I'm missing something it appears the writers have it about right as it appears to me according to statements, screen text, flashbacks, etc. as best I can remember: We are in the 5th season, so Jane has been with CBI for five years since the pilot episode where Jane meets Van Pelt for the first time. Probably a crime or two occurred before that, giving him a little time to shape up after spending a year in the mental hospital, then stumbling into CBI when Van Pelt was being considered for hiring. In one recent episode (Season 4?) Lisbon remarked about Jane's family's murder, "It's been 5 years." So at this time Jane's family was killed 6 years ago, followed by his one year in the mental hospital, followed by about 5 years with the CBI.
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October 30th, 2012 9:57 PM
Decent episode, not bad, but they could have made it more intruiging. They portrayed the awkwardness really well but really after a while I just wasn't that interested in the whole thing. The scene where Jane found the murderer was very good though and salvaged the show. I would have liked to have seen more in the way of what went into hiring jane: just making the CBI look good solving one case isn't really a good explanation. They just could have done little more overall to add some more spice to the episode but overall a solid episode. The Lorelei storyline is going to pick up the next few episodes and I expect we'll get our first real info about Red John then.
October 30th, 2012 3:37 PM
anybody else notice kevin corrigan and kirk acevedo...Almost a FRINGE reunion ..Glad seeing sam wiess and charlie back on tv...waiting to see where kevin corrigan's character leads too..
October 30th, 2012 3:30 PM
I definitely think it was Red John in the back of the limo with the FBI director. BOTH RJ and his FBI contact were revealed in a very low key, no comment way. Loved that. I, too, hope they can wind up the RJ storyline. It was a big groan to find our Jane hadn't killed him after all in the shopping mall. Also, there were hints of "special feelings" between Jane and Lisbon at the end of last season and actually every so often, from Jane, in earlier episodes. Not to be trite, but where's that going?
October 30th, 2012 10:46 AM
I think Simon Baker said he found the theory that Patrick Jane is Red John amusing. Not the same as he loved it? I personally don't understand why people are never tired of it. Jane is so clearly not RJ.
I think Lorelei is a clever addition to the RJ storyline. Hope Bruno Heller uses it wisely. As long as he can make Jane fail every time differently, it should be fine.
October 30th, 2012 10:03 AM
I saw a interview with Bruno Heller and Simon Baker in which Simon Baker said he loved the idea of being Red John. Bruno Heller then said that this would be an insult to the viewers and would rob them of a good harpooning. Heller also said it would be like Capt. Ahab turning out to be the whale in the end of Moly Dick, " it would rob the viewers of a good harpooning, would'nt it?" Bruno Heller was quite firm on this point. I hope this helps absolutelyunsure.