Haven Review: The Time Space Continuum Comments (Page 2)
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jon
November 18th, 2012 9:56 AM
in responce to marisa, no i highly doubt that nathan would even go back to the 50's let alone exactly three months later. now what is possible is that when james was born and was given to the cogans, they may have given him a diferent "birthdate" so that he couldnt be traced back to sarah and vice versa. however with this series and with the city of haven both of which to think about, anything is possible, im just stating the possibilities with what i already know. but anything is posible.
Sue Ann Rank: Regular Character
November 18th, 2012 2:15 AM
***TWO***
Sue Ann Rank: Regular Character
November 18th, 2012 2:14 AM
THREE
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Sue Ann Rank: Regular Character
November 18th, 2012 2:07 AM
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osofine
November 18th, 2012 12:06 AM
It was only while watching for the second time (after reading this review and comments I wanted to see the scenes with Sarah and Nathan again) that I realized that part of his happy, wide-eyed look at her right after that (and why he even allowed her to hold onto his ear for so long) was because it actually hurt him - he was so happy to just feel anything, even if it was the feeling of having his ear practically ripped off, lol! This does highlight a slightly un-romantic aspect of Nathan's feelings for Audrey/Sarah - they have less to do with Audrey or Sarah's personalities and more with sheer physical attraction. People keep commenting that he liked Sarah more than he's liked Audrey in a while because "Sarah was less jaded and cynical" (paraphrase), but I think it may have more to do with the fact that Sarah was far more willing to be physical with him than Audrey. Food for thought. [I really wish this system would warn one that a character limitation has been reached rather than jus
osofine
November 18th, 2012 12:00 AM
The whole thing was also a predestination paradox and fulfills the Novikov self-consistency principle (see my earlier comment about the doubloon). Before he went back in time Duke not only had the obituary that said that Sarah killed Roy, had Roy's diary that had "Stuart Mosely" written in it and Roy didn't make that last entry until after Duke saved him twice (and may have written more on that page if Duke hadn't interrupted him). I think that was pretty clear to the characters by the end of the episode, but I though it was worth noting.
When Sarah first meets Nathan, she grabs him by the ear and pulls him all the way out of the hospital. It was only while watching for the second time that I realized that part of his happy, wide-eyed look at her right after that (and why he even allowed her to hold onto his ear for so long) was because it actually hurt him - he was so happy to just feel anything, even if it was the feeling of having his ear practically ripped off, lol! This does
osofine
November 17th, 2012 11:21 PM
The gold doubloon (coin) was an ontological paradox (also called a "bootstrap paradox"). Where did it come from originally? It is caught in a time loop and has no origin.
I enjoyed the episode, but I wished that the writers had used the opportunity to reveal more aspects of the plot or solve mysteries. I felt like the chance to see Chief Wuornos again was kind of wasted - I wish Audrey had asked him some questions since it's unlikely that anyone would ever have the chance to talk to him again! (I suppose that since it was such an altered timeline, that version of Chief Wuornos might not have information that applied to the regular timeline or have incorrect information that would be confusing, but still....) I thought that Nathan releasing that Guard member from jail was incredibly stupid and hypocritical considering that he had just chastised Duke about changing history - why didn't he just question him in his cell?
I thought it was pretty compelling that if Duke's grandfat
Marisa1983 Rank: Recurring Character
November 17th, 2012 11:07 PM
Also, it makes sense that the Teagues brothers kept secrets about the past knowing that Nathan and Duke would go back. It seems like the writers always knew exactly where they would go with the story, because so far everything seems to make sense.
Marisa1983 Rank: Recurring Character
November 17th, 2012 11:04 PM
I too, was sad when I saw that Duke couldn't save his grandfather. But this proves that everything was supposed to happen, the guys traveling and Duke saving his grandfather twice, giving him the gold coin. Even Sarah killing Duke's grandfather, the only reason she did was because Duke told his grandfather she was the one who would kill him, he decided to kill her instead and she defended herself. None of this would have happened if the guys didn't go back in time. Did anyone notice the expression on Howard after Audrey left. He knew exactly what had happened, because in the past they told him that he was the one who sent them there. This whole time-traveling was done amazingly and I hope Jon isn't right about the date of birth of the Colorado Kid. I really want him to be the father. Maybe Nathan went back in time again 3 months after that?
jon
November 17th, 2012 5:50 PM
listen as much as i would love to see that nathan is the colorodo kid's father, and whether or not more did happen than we actually did see in the episode, the day that this episode took place was august 16, 1955. the colorodo kid (james cogan) was supposively born on august 31, 1956. this means that sarah would have had to of been pregnant for over a year. i found his suposed birthday towards the end of the episode called "Real Estate". now this could be that august 31, 1956 wasnt his real birthday, but dont get too excited about this, there is still a long ways to go. by the way i love this show and that is without a shadow of a doubt the best episode i have seen of haven, and that is saying something!
Jeff
November 17th, 2012 1:03 PM
might be one of the Teague brothers. They've been so tight-lipped about everything, why not that?
I believe that they were so tight lipped because they knew the past. And couldn't reveal anything to them that might prevent them from changeing things before they traveled to the past.
Now that they have been to the past the Teague brothers can tell them things they may need to know. We have seen this before on shows like SG1. When they travel back to 1969. At the end Gen Hammond reminds Jack that he still owes him the money he borrowed back in 1969. Same thing. He knew but couldn'r say anything until after the event of going back had happened.
Serenity Rank: Guest Star
November 17th, 2012 12:10 PM
I LOVE this show and this episode is exactly why. I love shows that can do different episodes that involve time travel or just completely out there happenings but they all work and make sense with the plot line (Supernatural, heck even Castle can do it). Emily Rose was perfect as Sarah and they way Nathan just starred at her made my night. I think he was seeing the Audrey he originally fell for, before the hunter and her disapearance and all of that stuff started weighing her down and pulling her away. If they had introduced Jordan earlier, before Nathan found out he could feel Audrey's touch (one of my favorite moments EVER), I think I could have gotten on board with the two of them being together, the one who can't feel and the one who's touch is extremely painful. But I haven't been on board with that the entire time because Nathan is so obviously supposed to be with Adurey. I do think he's the father of the Colorado Kid. Vincent said Sarah never said who the father was, why couldn'
TVDIVA
November 17th, 2012 11:29 AM
I have all of Haven downloaded on ITUNES season passes. This is by far my favorite episode of the entire show. Emily Rose was amazing - her change in voice, demeanor - a very innocent, unjaded Audrey at the start of helping the troubled. I love time travel episodes (Supernatural does them well also) and this one was extremely well written and acted. Audrey/Sarah and Nathan have fantastic chemistry and definitely belong together. Four episodes left. Sigh. Sob. At least we know Haven has been renewed for another mind bending season.
kate
November 17th, 2012 10:24 AM
I wonder too if something more happened after they cut away, but then I wonder because Nathan and Sarah were kind of exposed. If it did my impression is that Howard monitors but does not keep constant watch so when Sarah decides to stay...it could be 9 months before he return and his reaction could be why she fled with the baby. Just not sure. Even though we are sick of Jordan..I am guessing she won't really leave until she discovers about Nathan and Sarah and not just for the cheating but how it deepens his connection to Audrey.
DMH
November 17th, 2012 9:37 AM
WOW! My favorite by far! Nathan/Sarah: I think Nathan feel more in love than ever. He was so taken by her being so carefree & open and not so "jaded" by the troubles like Audrey had been that on the beach he didn't want to walk away with any regrets and he was tired of holding back what he felt for her. The writers still want us to guess about who the father of the CK is but I am still going with Nathan. The look that he gave Audrey when she told him. I just can't believe the would ruin it by having one of the Teague brothers be the father, YUCK! Duke: was sad when he realized that he couldn't change what fate had in store. Enjoyed seeing the Cheif (young & old). Want to see Claire & Duke pairing. After watching this epidode i camt watch jordan/nathan anymore, Ready for the Jordan storyline with Nathan to be OVER!
mindi
November 17th, 2012 9:03 AM
Best episode yet!It is starting to seem like Nathans the father.The way everything played out just supports that as well.I mean Audrey had 3 chances to tell him about the CK but each time something interrupted so that he never found out until after he was with Sarah.Now I believe they were together and the reason no one knows who the father is is because Sarah didnt even know.He never told her his name and I cant see her being with anyone else after Nathan.She fell hard and fast and thats why Audrey said shes always loved him.
T
November 17th, 2012 9:01 AM
This was my favorite episode of the season, possibly the whole show, possibly of any show ever.
There have been two occasions this season where I said to myself "Is that Lucas Bryant playing that character?" Once with the guy who abducted Audrey in the pilot and once when we saw the CO Kid from behind before he started moving and speaking. That said, I too am not convinced that Nathan is the father. There's a bigger history behind Sarah and the Teagues that hasn't been revealed yet, and the scene on the beach/Nathan's reaction to Audrey was left just ambiguous enough to give me a reasonable doubt.
I loved the Duke storyline! I loved mini-Chief! The only thing I didn't love was Sarah's fake accent.
ariel
November 17th, 2012 8:28 AM
Nathan tried to walk away from Sarah but they have a connection. Sarah seemed to really like Nathan. Nathan is starved for human touch. He can only feel Audrey/Sarah. When Audrey told him of her son, his reaction was interesting. Audrey told him last week that she always loved him. Wonder if she has feelings from her life as Sarah that are coming to the surface as she learns more.
Marisa1983 Rank: Recurring Character
November 17th, 2012 4:58 AM
I was intrigued at Nathan's reaction when Audrey told him about the Colorado Kid, like he was considering it could be his. I could be wrong, but I'm still pretty sure they cut out the scene where Nathan and Audrey slept together to show flashbacks in the future. I can't believe Sarah would be with someone else. I agree their chemistry was great, it's like Sarah was more carefree and less tortured than Audrey. And even though it was a different character and Emily Rose was amazing, Nathan knew she was the same person as Audrey so he trusted her and followed his heart, which is something he has a hard time doing with Audrey because she's more closed up about her feelings. And also there's Jordan. God I hope she goes away already.
Overall great episode as always, I get so attached to this show and the characters it's crazy.
jenn
November 17th, 2012 1:41 AM
I can't believe we have to wait 2 more weeks. I love this show truly best show on TV. Not too much drama the love triangles are kept short on this show which is great because I hate love triangles. I just hope they get rid of Jordan soon and add more Claire for duke. I hope they put duke and Claire together. He's a good guy and he deserves happiness, she would make him better. Great show sucks there's only four episodes left.
jenn
November 17th, 2012 1:34 AM
Nathan went back and then the scene switched. I absolutely think more happened they just didn't want to show it so we could keep wondering for one more week. Nathan is the father, she kept giving him loveydovey eyes. They did more than kids. It makes sense, Nathan didn't know about the baby until after he returned and when he returned and she said it he was in shock, probably because he figured out he's the father.I just can't wait until Audrey finds out what he did with Sarah. And when did Jordan offer to help? the only mention I heard of her was when Audrey asked Nathan if he was with her. Maybe I blocked it out because I hate her so much.
November 18th, 2012 9:56 AM
in responce to marisa, no i highly doubt that nathan would even go back to the 50's let alone exactly three months later. now what is possible is that when james was born and was given to the cogans, they may have given him a diferent "birthdate" so that he couldnt be traced back to sarah and vice versa. however with this series and with the city of haven both of which to think about, anything is possible, im just stating the possibilities with what i already know. but anything is posible.
Rank: Regular Character
November 18th, 2012 2:15 AM
***TWO***
Rank: Regular Character
November 18th, 2012 2:14 AM
THREE
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November 18th, 2012 2:07 AM
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November 18th, 2012 12:06 AM
It was only while watching for the second time (after reading this review and comments I wanted to see the scenes with Sarah and Nathan again) that I realized that part of his happy, wide-eyed look at her right after that (and why he even allowed her to hold onto his ear for so long) was because it actually hurt him - he was so happy to just feel anything, even if it was the feeling of having his ear practically ripped off, lol! This does highlight a slightly un-romantic aspect of Nathan's feelings for Audrey/Sarah - they have less to do with Audrey or Sarah's personalities and more with sheer physical attraction. People keep commenting that he liked Sarah more than he's liked Audrey in a while because "Sarah was less jaded and cynical" (paraphrase), but I think it may have more to do with the fact that Sarah was far more willing to be physical with him than Audrey. Food for thought. [I really wish this system would warn one that a character limitation has been reached rather than jus
November 18th, 2012 12:00 AM
The whole thing was also a predestination paradox and fulfills the Novikov self-consistency principle (see my earlier comment about the doubloon). Before he went back in time Duke not only had the obituary that said that Sarah killed Roy, had Roy's diary that had "Stuart Mosely" written in it and Roy didn't make that last entry until after Duke saved him twice (and may have written more on that page if Duke hadn't interrupted him). I think that was pretty clear to the characters by the end of the episode, but I though it was worth noting.
When Sarah first meets Nathan, she grabs him by the ear and pulls him all the way out of the hospital. It was only while watching for the second time that I realized that part of his happy, wide-eyed look at her right after that (and why he even allowed her to hold onto his ear for so long) was because it actually hurt him - he was so happy to just feel anything, even if it was the feeling of having his ear practically ripped off, lol! This does
November 17th, 2012 11:21 PM
The gold doubloon (coin) was an ontological paradox (also called a "bootstrap paradox"). Where did it come from originally? It is caught in a time loop and has no origin.
I enjoyed the episode, but I wished that the writers had used the opportunity to reveal more aspects of the plot or solve mysteries. I felt like the chance to see Chief Wuornos again was kind of wasted - I wish Audrey had asked him some questions since it's unlikely that anyone would ever have the chance to talk to him again! (I suppose that since it was such an altered timeline, that version of Chief Wuornos might not have information that applied to the regular timeline or have incorrect information that would be confusing, but still....) I thought that Nathan releasing that Guard member from jail was incredibly stupid and hypocritical considering that he had just chastised Duke about changing history - why didn't he just question him in his cell?
I thought it was pretty compelling that if Duke's grandfat
Rank: Recurring Character
November 17th, 2012 11:07 PM
Also, it makes sense that the Teagues brothers kept secrets about the past knowing that Nathan and Duke would go back. It seems like the writers always knew exactly where they would go with the story, because so far everything seems to make sense.
Rank: Recurring Character
November 17th, 2012 11:04 PM
I too, was sad when I saw that Duke couldn't save his grandfather. But this proves that everything was supposed to happen, the guys traveling and Duke saving his grandfather twice, giving him the gold coin. Even Sarah killing Duke's grandfather, the only reason she did was because Duke told his grandfather she was the one who would kill him, he decided to kill her instead and she defended herself. None of this would have happened if the guys didn't go back in time. Did anyone notice the expression on Howard after Audrey left. He knew exactly what had happened, because in the past they told him that he was the one who sent them there. This whole time-traveling was done amazingly and I hope Jon isn't right about the date of birth of the Colorado Kid. I really want him to be the father. Maybe Nathan went back in time again 3 months after that?
November 17th, 2012 5:50 PM
listen as much as i would love to see that nathan is the colorodo kid's father, and whether or not more did happen than we actually did see in the episode, the day that this episode took place was august 16, 1955. the colorodo kid (james cogan) was supposively born on august 31, 1956. this means that sarah would have had to of been pregnant for over a year. i found his suposed birthday towards the end of the episode called "Real Estate". now this could be that august 31, 1956 wasnt his real birthday, but dont get too excited about this, there is still a long ways to go. by the way i love this show and that is without a shadow of a doubt the best episode i have seen of haven, and that is saying something!
November 17th, 2012 1:03 PM
might be one of the Teague brothers. They've been so tight-lipped about everything, why not that?
I believe that they were so tight lipped because they knew the past. And couldn't reveal anything to them that might prevent them from changeing things before they traveled to the past.
Now that they have been to the past the Teague brothers can tell them things they may need to know. We have seen this before on shows like SG1. When they travel back to 1969. At the end Gen Hammond reminds Jack that he still owes him the money he borrowed back in 1969. Same thing. He knew but couldn'r say anything until after the event of going back had happened.
Rank: Guest Star
November 17th, 2012 12:10 PM
I LOVE this show and this episode is exactly why. I love shows that can do different episodes that involve time travel or just completely out there happenings but they all work and make sense with the plot line (Supernatural, heck even Castle can do it). Emily Rose was perfect as Sarah and they way Nathan just starred at her made my night. I think he was seeing the Audrey he originally fell for, before the hunter and her disapearance and all of that stuff started weighing her down and pulling her away. If they had introduced Jordan earlier, before Nathan found out he could feel Audrey's touch (one of my favorite moments EVER), I think I could have gotten on board with the two of them being together, the one who can't feel and the one who's touch is extremely painful. But I haven't been on board with that the entire time because Nathan is so obviously supposed to be with Adurey. I do think he's the father of the Colorado Kid. Vincent said Sarah never said who the father was, why couldn'
November 17th, 2012 11:29 AM
I have all of Haven downloaded on ITUNES season passes. This is by far my favorite episode of the entire show. Emily Rose was amazing - her change in voice, demeanor - a very innocent, unjaded Audrey at the start of helping the troubled. I love time travel episodes (Supernatural does them well also) and this one was extremely well written and acted. Audrey/Sarah and Nathan have fantastic chemistry and definitely belong together. Four episodes left. Sigh. Sob. At least we know Haven has been renewed for another mind bending season.
November 17th, 2012 10:24 AM
I wonder too if something more happened after they cut away, but then I wonder because Nathan and Sarah were kind of exposed. If it did my impression is that Howard monitors but does not keep constant watch so when Sarah decides to stay...it could be 9 months before he return and his reaction could be why she fled with the baby. Just not sure. Even though we are sick of Jordan..I am guessing she won't really leave until she discovers about Nathan and Sarah and not just for the cheating but how it deepens his connection to Audrey.
November 17th, 2012 9:37 AM
WOW! My favorite by far! Nathan/Sarah: I think Nathan feel more in love than ever. He was so taken by her being so carefree & open and not so "jaded" by the troubles like Audrey had been that on the beach he didn't want to walk away with any regrets and he was tired of holding back what he felt for her. The writers still want us to guess about who the father of the CK is but I am still going with Nathan. The look that he gave Audrey when she told him. I just can't believe the would ruin it by having one of the Teague brothers be the father, YUCK! Duke: was sad when he realized that he couldn't change what fate had in store. Enjoyed seeing the Cheif (young & old). Want to see Claire & Duke pairing. After watching this epidode i camt watch jordan/nathan anymore, Ready for the Jordan storyline with Nathan to be OVER!
November 17th, 2012 9:03 AM
Best episode yet!It is starting to seem like Nathans the father.The way everything played out just supports that as well.I mean Audrey had 3 chances to tell him about the CK but each time something interrupted so that he never found out until after he was with Sarah.Now I believe they were together and the reason no one knows who the father is is because Sarah didnt even know.He never told her his name and I cant see her being with anyone else after Nathan.She fell hard and fast and thats why Audrey said shes always loved him.
November 17th, 2012 9:01 AM
This was my favorite episode of the season, possibly the whole show, possibly of any show ever.
There have been two occasions this season where I said to myself "Is that Lucas Bryant playing that character?" Once with the guy who abducted Audrey in the pilot and once when we saw the CO Kid from behind before he started moving and speaking. That said, I too am not convinced that Nathan is the father. There's a bigger history behind Sarah and the Teagues that hasn't been revealed yet, and the scene on the beach/Nathan's reaction to Audrey was left just ambiguous enough to give me a reasonable doubt.
I loved the Duke storyline! I loved mini-Chief! The only thing I didn't love was Sarah's fake accent.
November 17th, 2012 8:28 AM
Nathan tried to walk away from Sarah but they have a connection. Sarah seemed to really like Nathan. Nathan is starved for human touch. He can only feel Audrey/Sarah. When Audrey told him of her son, his reaction was interesting. Audrey told him last week that she always loved him. Wonder if she has feelings from her life as Sarah that are coming to the surface as she learns more.
Rank: Recurring Character
November 17th, 2012 4:58 AM
I was intrigued at Nathan's reaction when Audrey told him about the Colorado Kid, like he was considering it could be his. I could be wrong, but I'm still pretty sure they cut out the scene where Nathan and Audrey slept together to show flashbacks in the future. I can't believe Sarah would be with someone else. I agree their chemistry was great, it's like Sarah was more carefree and less tortured than Audrey. And even though it was a different character and Emily Rose was amazing, Nathan knew she was the same person as Audrey so he trusted her and followed his heart, which is something he has a hard time doing with Audrey because she's more closed up about her feelings. And also there's Jordan. God I hope she goes away already.
Overall great episode as always, I get so attached to this show and the characters it's crazy.
November 17th, 2012 1:41 AM
I can't believe we have to wait 2 more weeks. I love this show truly best show on TV. Not too much drama the love triangles are kept short on this show which is great because I hate love triangles. I just hope they get rid of Jordan soon and add more Claire for duke. I hope they put duke and Claire together. He's a good guy and he deserves happiness, she would make him better. Great show sucks there's only four episodes left.
November 17th, 2012 1:34 AM
Nathan went back and then the scene switched. I absolutely think more happened they just didn't want to show it so we could keep wondering for one more week. Nathan is the father, she kept giving him loveydovey eyes. They did more than kids. It makes sense, Nathan didn't know about the baby until after he returned and when he returned and she said it he was in shock, probably because he figured out he's the father.I just can't wait until Audrey finds out what he did with Sarah. And when did Jordan offer to help? the only mention I heard of her was when Audrey asked Nathan if he was with her. Maybe I blocked it out because I hate her so much.