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I'm a new fan of the mentalist, myself and my husband and we would like to trade inquieries as well, it would help a lot to know more of the subject matter please be patient as we attempt to do so.
Welcome Angela, I love this show so much I recruited another arm chair detective!
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continued: A great puzzle to unravel. The only thing I haven't seen symbolized is forgiveness - revenge has always been portrayed as worth it. And it is (personal disclosure: been there, done that and it felt SO good). RJ blathers on with a lot of philosophical claptrap but he is just a self-absorbed, arrogant, narcissistic psychopath who killed for the fun of it, then continued it as a cat and mouse game with Jane. He cares nothing for the pain he causes people. I do not want to see him forgiven for anything. As Bruno Heller said, viewers want to see the harpoons go in, and I'm looking forward to that.
Every scenario we come up with could work, but every one has holes that seem to make it unworkable, so we get nowhere, but it's a fascinating mystery. Questions: Why is a serial killer who rides around in a limo - and we have the license number - so hard to ID and find? Why can't super observant Jane ID Red John from among those he knows by his voice? Why didn't he realize that Timothy Carter did not sound like RJ? (Maybe too desperate to get this over with that he believed what he wanted to believe?) Why aren't there dates on his family's tombstones? (He won't accept their deaths until he has avenged them?) Yes, anitraward1, this series has been full of symbolism, all open to various interpretations. Why does Lisbon wear her mother's cross in every episode, but the style of it has changed twice? Does this symbolize something sacrificial the writers are planning for her to do? We have reality and fantasy, good and evil, right and wrong, life and death, pain and redemption all mixed up
Honestly, I keep going back to Virgil Minelli. Maybe it's just because I suspected him in season one and I do love the actor Gregory Itzin. I can really see him pulling it off performance wise. But honestly, I haven't followed all of the breadcrumbs closely enough so I'm sure someone else here will be able to debunk my theory and tell me why I'm wrong.
I'm in and intriqued, WHO?
Now that I watched this episode I'm quite sure why they showed us the first day of Jane at CBI. The only question that remains is: which one of the people he for the first time shook hands is Red John. My clue: the only one with soft voice that is a hell of an actor and that came back only on that episode to reprise his role. Do you know who I mean?
Continued- The rabbit- Transcendent importance, an ally that your dream trip speed and you can bring rapid growth on your spiritual path. It means gentalness and to overcome fear by growth. Even the color has meaning. Gray is associated with sadness and depression.
This cannot not be a coincidence! It all adds up! What else have we missed being entertained. Jane is changing or has changed and his subconscious self is trying to give him the message. This episode was very deep. I hope he finds himself.
Continued- The diamonds on the rabbit- means- value, timeless, precious. Represents money, love as well as universal truths, a spiritual consciousness and things you want.
The rabbit- means a period of rapid growth, the innocent part of your natural subject for review; allow exploration of any willingness to make yourself a victim. Fear insecuriy, inferiorty feelings you will not be attacked by others.
Continued- The ants also means he needs to work together w/ others to get what he wants.
The eagels claw- The claw was given to him from a hispanic woman who was a very religious and superstitious caring mother tpye figure. This might mean Jane may travel to a spanish location or answers may be found in this area.
The claw itself means, feelings of vulnerability and or hostility. He feels a needs to defend himself or his surroundings. It also means he needs to be careful w/ his words and actions.
Continued- The black ants reference, represents persistence, meticuiousness and production. Alternately, you may have a desire to break free from constraint and exude more individuality. you are unhappy w/ limitations that are placed on you. Bibical interpretation- ants represent attentiveness w/ divinty and spirituality.
Continued- The butterfly- something ig bugging him. Metamorphosis, a signicant change in ones life, personality or way of thinking. The butterfly was very bright and beautiful. It was symbolic in to ways one for him and two he used it to find the killer.
The kettle with the lid- A big kettle can symbolize a displaced process. Also sexuality (psychologial) Spriritual meaning- female principle.
The work shop- represents his head, all the right stuff is in there but it's cuttered and things are hard to find.
Daughter in swimming pool- His spirituality is restricted.
Continued-The straight jacket- hospitals us four point restraints. Jane hallucinated a straight jacket because he knows he issues with Red John are mostly psychological but he is not ready to face that yet. He was in a all white room, meaning he wants to wipe the slate clean.
The garden- May indicate inner healing after a period of discord and unease. Msstical meaning- marriage to a beautiful woman. He did refer to Lisbon as Belladonna and his hallucination made reference to Lisbon being suitable and cute.
The Devil's Cherry episode was based on Alice in wonderland and we know what that was about. This episode was about what Jane hides about himself. I thought maybe I over thought it until it all made sense and I'll show you how and why. I'm surprised we didn't see it the first time. I knew we were missing clues.
I went back and looked at the things Jane hallucinated.
A dead child- First thing, he misses her. second thing- seeing the dead living and happy signifies you are letting wrong influences into your life, which bring material loss if not corrected by the assumption of your own will force. Warns you of coming distress, unless you follow the given advice. Aso, disastrous consequences could often be averted if minds could grasp the inner workings and sight of the higher or spiritual self.
continued- I think this will ultimately be a breaking point for Jane. I think Jane feels like giving up on Red John is like giving up on his family. Red John is a very real monster that killed his family and a psychological demon that torments him. Red John seems to need Jane. If Jane stops chasing Red John he might catch him. All of this lead me to the episode the Devil's Cherry again. Jane's hallucinations were symbolic so I went back and checked on what they meant. you are going to be surprised. I found the message in the message!
Rationalgal you got me to thinking about Jane. In the episode Strawberries and cream 1 Jane said he would pray if he had someone to pray to. That indicated to me that he was angry with God because his family was killed. Jane seems to want revenge and redemption. He talks negatively when referring to God and does not want to believe in him anymore. But he also shows reverence at other times. In the episode the Devil's Cherry, Jane's hallucination (subconscious) was telling him to let Red John go and that he was sick of Red John. Jane refuses to listen because he consciously thinks avenging his family will set things right. When subconsciously he knows it never will.
Jane has not been a hustler for over ten years. The irony is that he has already become a new person but he dosen't know it yet. He will figure it out with the help of his CBI family!
Rationalgal, I wouldn't kill the show off just yet or Jane either. Doyle killed Sherlock off but public demand resurrected him. I believe this show could live past Red John now that I know the plot line. How about Lisbon and Jane as a McMillan & Wife or the CBI team with their own detective agency, that could get really wild! I read somewhere the Mentalist got picked up for a sixth season. I not sure if that's just talk or if it true. There is some truth to rumor.
The Mentalist writer's are so skillful they could take this show anywhere they want to go with it without missing a beat! They are the whole package. I've never seen a show with so many layered levels. This show is also interative which is amazing. I almost finished with season one and I will list all the people Jane shook hands with and where these people are.
You know when Lorelai first said "I only wonder why the two of you didn't become life long friends the moment you shook hands." I was shocked that Jane didnt respond to it. I was sure that I wasnt the only that picked up on it. But I love this so-called 'twist' as Jane is now going to question every single relationship he has in his life. Even the close ones. Should be fun.
Continuing: So we lose trail after trail, making it impossible to figure out who RJ is. Even the writers may have had to switch the RJ ID at times. The are firming it up now because this is the final season. As for how it will end, as I said, if they follow the logic of the plot, it will be a Moby Dick ending. Jane has always felt his quest for RJ would end with him being dead or in prison or possibly back in a mental hospital. Is that why he promoted a relationship between Lisbon and Mashburn - to set Lisbon up for a future without him? Is that the purpose of the Mashburn character? Will the ending show us three tombstones, all finally with dates on them -- Jane's the last one -- as the last case he closed? He really has no future once he gets rid of RJ. His whole life, all he knows, all he's ever done, is being a con artist As Cho said, in the "Fugue in Red" episode, without any roots for Jane's human interactions, he's just a hustler.
After checking out all the Wikipedia info, I'm thinking of how this series will play out, given the Sherlock Holmes plot. Holmes dies with Moriarity in the end, so will Jane die with RJ? Consider the occasional references to Moby Dick in the series, with Jane as Capt. Ahab and RJ the white whale. It would be logical (not that the writers are required to follow logic - they've laid out lots of scenarios so they aren't screwed up by a sudden cancellation notice or the departure of a significant character. We won't be following the promised connection of Van Pelt with Stiles any more because Amanda is pregnant, making a problem with camera angles. Bertram got a part in Unforgettable and left, but is not back because that show got cancelled. LaRoche left for whatever reason but is now back. Kristina Frye was shaping up as a major character but is now in plot limbo, possibly because she could'nt or wouldn't be able to continue with the series. So we lose trail after trail, making it impossi
You're welcome. Cho knows a lot about William Blake too! I'm going back through the series and looking for hand shakes. It's like watching paint dry!
Thanks anitraward1. We’ve certainly got a puzzle to figure out!
anitraward1 - Thanks for the useful info!! I'm adding Bertram and LaRoche to my list of people with a connection to RJ, due to them knowing the William Blake poems. Rosalind, Lorelei and Kristina are on due to knowing they have had/now have personal contact with RJ. I think I'll put Mashburn back on just because he has the resources and seems too nice to be RJ. Brett Stiles remains as possibly RJ's second in command, possibly in a power struggle with him. Minelli still seems too marginal to be a suspect but he probably knows something that may help wind this up. All these people are connected to RJ in some way. I'm still holding out for Kristina to play the Lady Macbeth role that keeps RJ on an evil path. So who have we seen who is charismatic enough to get people to kill and die for him? And has a reedy voice? And can circulate among the CBI/FBI security guards doing his RJ thing without calling any attention to himself (as in poisoning Rebecca). Maybe the CBI parking lot attendant i
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