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Jane: This is Red John. Lisbon: How can you tell? Jane: Because when it's him I can feel it.
November 22nd, 2012 11:28 AM
Go to Wikipedia and look up; The Mentalist, Red John, Professor Moriarty, Sherlock Holmes and Napoleon.
This will give you an idea of where the show is heading and relieve some of your mystery angst! It will open you eyes to the scope of Red John and why he's so elusive. Keep in mind that the writer's do have creative license!
These writer's are taking us to school! Who said TV was dulling the minds of viewers? LOL!
November 22nd, 2012 11:07 AM
Heller also said Jane was chasing a Moriarty.
November 22nd, 2012 11:05 AM
Quote from Bruno Heller "Red John isn't a pathetic loser who is hiding out in a basement somewhere". He also said he is the Napoleon of crime. (quoted from two different sources.)
November 22nd, 2012 10:59 AM
IF YOU WANT TO GET THE BIG PICTURE ON RED JOHN, CHECK THIS OUT!
The professor grew up wealthy and well educated. He was very influential in society. When he became a criminal mastermind, he was discribed as a very evil genius. Scottland Yard admired him. The professor had a 2nd in command henchman named Colonel Morgan who had the same attributes as him. They were both charismatic and all that other stuff. Now the professor plotted and planned to overthrow the queen. He was considered the Napoleon of crime. The professor did not like Watson and wanted to kill him. Sherlock protected Watson from the professor! STARTING TO SOUND FAMILIAR?
November 22nd, 2012 10:47 AM
Continued- The professor warned Sherlock that he would kill him if he interfered with his criminal empire.
November 22nd, 2012 10:36 AM
I'm sending this out to all the Mentalist fans who are enthusiastic inquistive arm chair detectives! I did a little arm chair research and here is what I discovered!
The Mentalist is a loosely based modern day version of Sherlock Holmes written by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle in 1887. SO WHAT YOU SAY! WE ALREADY KNEW THAT! bUT DID YOU KNOW THIS!
QUICK SYNOPSIS- Sherlock Holmes slandered his childhood math professor by stating he was a criminal mastermind w/o the means to prove it. Mean while back at the ranch Professor Moriarty was loosing his mind and becoming a complete EVIL VILLAINOUS MONSTER! The professor became angered by what Sherlock said and decided he didn't like it much and that Sherlock needed to be killed. The professor sent out his henchmen and Sherlock eluded them. So...the professor decided to go after Sherlock himself. Sherlock also eluded the professor and after a while the professor decided he liked Sherlock's intelligence and that he would let him live. The professo
November 22nd, 2012 10:15 AM
Jennifer1 they do not shake hands.
November 21st, 2012 11:46 PM
I've given up on thinking Mashburn is RJ. He was probably there only to show Lisbon has a life outside of CBI, same as Summer was there for Cho. I've been checking the episodes where RJ is talking to Jane, since his voice (unless it's being faked) is key to who RJ is. None of the characters we've met have that voice, only RJ when disguised. When RJ is busted we will probably see that he has an operation linking Minelli, Stiles, Rosalind, Kristina Frye, and Lorelei (did I leave anyone out?) in some woo-woo philosophy about good vs evil and enlightenment. They all have had or have now a close personal connection with RJ. (Minelli only marginally.) What we really need is some motivation for the RJ killings BEFORE Jane showed up. After that, they all had clear motivation. Can't understand or ID RJ without seeing some motivation.
November 21st, 2012 11:08 PM
@anitraward1: please let us know if Jane and Royston shake hands. Unfortunately I don’t have access to that episode, just my memory to go by. Happy Thanksgiving from Canada :).
November 21st, 2012 6:50 AM
@rationalgal: "He is ma..." might be "He is manipulative." If "He is many" then "They are many."
November 21st, 2012 3:40 AM
I'm going to watch Russet Potatoes and start getting ready for T-Day. Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
November 21st, 2012 3:34 AM
HOMELAND SECURITY is an umbrella term for efforts to protect the states against terrorist activity. Secpifically, is a concerted national effort to prevent terrorist attacks within the U.S., reduce America's vulnerability to terrorism and minimize the damage and recover from attacks that do occur.
Sometimes you just have to see it! Why is Kirkland in volved again? Red Sails Into The Sunset? Lisbon asked Kirkland why he was involved and he replied it's complicated. I'LL BET IT IS!
November 21st, 2012 3:02 AM
If you look at the progression of the series after 5 years, it's is time for the show to be at this point. This is the point where the viewer's would get bored and some have. This episode renewed the hunt! Didn't it? What I don't get is why Volker was added and not caught. Judging from how he had that girl killed, he has killed before. All these rich guys seem to run in a tight little circle. They seem to all know each other. He is just as bad as Red John and may have a connection w/ him or even know him. I think that's why Homeland Securiy is involved.Other wise they are out of their jurisdiction with the Lorilei case. I like the connection w/ Dr. Daniel Royston. How many times has the NLC made an appearance in the series.
Rank: Recurring Character
November 21st, 2012 12:17 AM
(continued) from the Mentalist since its a Warner Bro produced show. You can tell how CBS isnt that big on the show given where they demoted it this year. Can you really see this show getting a whole extra 24 episodes next year with the Red John plot given how much its been emphasized this year and how we've started getting big information(and will get alot more to come)? It just doesn't add up.
Rank: Recurring Character
November 21st, 2012 12:12 AM
Unfortunately, as much as I hope I'm wrong, after watching the last episode, I'm more convinced now than ever that this will be the last season. Firstly, people have to realize when Red John meets Jane is when the series is over. Theres no afterlife. More importantly, you dont speed through this Red John story case to the point that Jane now knows he's met Red John before unless your planning on ending the case this year. With such bombshells(and many more are to come) theres no way this show can be extended a whole 24 extra episodes. I just cant see it in anyway, you dont drop news like that after 4+yrs of nothing unless your trying to close things. And this is the most reliable link
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/11/20/cbs-one-of-csiny-the-mentalist-or-the-good-wife-will-be-canceled/158335/
They have the show as 50-50, but keep in mind if the spring hit Golden Boys is renewed its a 1/3 chance and I think the Good Wife has priority(CBS also doesnt make as much money from the
November 20th, 2012 10:49 PM
I didn't see a handshake with Royston or any particular friendly interaction. No mention of connections with law enforcement and politicians either. What interests me about Mashburn is that Jane really likes him and he has been sleeping with Lisbon. So consider the dramatic impact if he turns out to be RJ and Jane is torn between really liking him and needing to kill him. Also what would Lisbon think of having slept with RJ. Lots of moral dilemmas and emotional angst possible for an exciting finale. Also, Kristina Frye is the phony psychic left in some kind of coma, which may be faked. She had important connections with RJ and Stiles. Lots of loose ends for the writers to tie up. They'd better hurry as this is the final season for Mentalist.
Rank: Recurring Character
November 20th, 2012 5:45 PM
It was hyped up as one of the biggest episodes in the series and it delievered. I wouldn't put it in the top 3 episodes of the series but it was up there very good. I wanted to see more of Stiles(espec after we found out about his lorelei relationship) and that was a peculiar way of showing the Jane-Red John connection but I'm not sure if I can criticize it. Glad we got more out of Lorelei's past and the Jane-Lisbon dynamic is interesting. She said she was willing to put him in cuffs if she had evidence, yet she was so concerned for him in the crash and didnt initially tell Mr. Homeland that Jane had called. I'm interested to see when they get back on this Red John theme with Lorelei, my guess is it takes a break until say early Feb.
November 20th, 2012 5:37 PM
I promise this will be my last post today :). At the beginning of the Russet Potatoes episode Jane acknowledged that he was quite familiar with Dr. Daniel’s work. What is their history, if any? Could Dr. Daniel have been so insulted with Jane’s on-air assessment of RJ, that he killed his family? The love and admiration that Brett Stiles said RJ has for Jane – could that be in part because Jane in fact helped save his life from his rogue and murderous pupil in that episode? Finally, Dr. Daniel would have overcome any speech impediment through his neurolinguistic programming. However, all this is moot if Jane did not shake his hand in that episode… A part of me is hoping that someone on this site can poke holes in my theory, as it looks like a slam dunk to me.
November 20th, 2012 2:52 PM
In addition – Dr. Royston Daniel would have certainly ‘upped his game’ by getting under Grace’s skin when he brought Craig into her life. So many dots are connecting here! Daniel-Hebrew definition: "God is my judge; sentimental, affectionate, strong and keen-minded. Can display a powerful temper when roused, but quickly relents and forgives.” We saw him having to check his temper during the episode. The name Jane originally stems from the masculine name “John” meaning “God is gracious".
November 20th, 2012 2:23 PM
Cancellation bear says Good Wife, Mentalist or CSI New york will be cancelled. So at this point I just want the Red John storyline to be concluded with an ending before the Mentalist is toast. They of course want to keep the Red John storyline going so that we keep watching. Remember Lost and all of the clues and mysteries that were woven over the years and even special recap shows to help us keep all these special clues sorted out and then the writers were not even able to come up with an ending that answered all the questions.......let us hope this doesn't happen.
....does anyone remember what happened to that one girl that he took and messed her up so badly mentally that she couldn't even speak anymore and was like a zombie........
November 20th, 2012 1:40 PM
Wow – I just made the connection LOL! Dr. ROYston Daniel! Roy Tagliaferro…
November 20th, 2012 1:35 PM
Hmm. Good ideas here! @Richie: along the lines of RJ being a psychiatrist, could RJ be Dr. Royston Daniel, the hypnotherapist from the “Russet Potatoes” episode in Season 1? He’s about the same age as Jane and they both share so many qualities, plus he has the means to do what RJ does. The name of his firm was “Neurolinguistic Programming”. He found it amusing when Grace told him that “you’re good but no offence, I’ve been working with Patrick Jane for 9 months now and you’re going to have to up your game if you want to get under my skin” (paraphrasing). @Entwife: yes, and I remember that Jane was distracted with his tea cup and had already passed Kirkland so pretty sure no handshake occurred :).
November 20th, 2012 12:01 PM
[My comment below got chopped off... as usual with this system!]
Heller has all the threads in place to make Minelli the perfect RJ. I've run them down before and won't list them all again here. If Heller decided that it won't be Minelli, he may as well throw all of the characters into a hat and pull someone out randomly. I'd rather have the final "Mentalist" epi reveal Red John and show flashback clips going back to season 1 that show he's been around since the beginning.
(I don't think it was a clue, per se, but I found it odd that Lorelei's sister's "father" was named "Virgil Roman". It is such an odd first name that I wouldn't expect it to be reused.)
November 20th, 2012 11:37 AM
The problem at this point in the show is that when they reveal RJ a lot of people are either going to say "that was too obvious" or "Jane is so brilliant, how could he have missed that?" or "that doesn't make any sense to me". (At least people posting online who have a tendency to tear things down and be snarky.) The RJ reveal will be more enjoyable if it isn't everyone's number #1 suspect, so I hate even putting my opinion out there lest people pick up on it and agree (if that makes sense). Also, haven't we been told that we won't find out who RJ is this season? Finding out will end the show - people who want the RJ story to end don't seem to get that. For what it's worth, the only person I really suspect is still Virgil Minelli. There are threads out there (CBS's website has one) and even an article by the author of this review that explore why he is a worthy suspect. Bringing him back for the flashback epi showed his "friend in the FBI" and how he maneuvered Jane into the CBI.
November 20th, 2012 11:20 AM
Yes it would, P, but it can't be her because we know Red John is a guy. Remember the blind girl? By the way, have we searched her house for trace evidence yet? Red John was "intimate" with her for a while, surely he must have left behind a toothbrush, a few strands of back hair in the shower, or a gift with prints on it...