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Jane: This is Red John. Lisbon: How can you tell? Jane: Because when it's him I can feel it.
November 27th, 2012 9:56 AM
Okay. I get it. The red-haired guard on Jane's list is a red hairing! Good one, writers!
November 27th, 2012 5:38 AM
CORRECTION- DEPROGRAMMER'S
November 27th, 2012 5:36 AM
We need to dissect the poem Tiger. This is red John's mantra. His minion's die with this poem dripping off their lips. I think the poem will get us in Red John's head. We also need to keep in mind he does not believe in heaven, hell or punishment. You are right Rationalgal, this is getting very deep. While being entertained and laughing we notice Red John do something to Jane and while in that up mood we think ohooooo... isn't that a nice jesture! Nothing Red John does for Jane will ever be a nice jesture! He is a MONSTER! That's what brainwashing and mind control is all about. The writer's have include us in that as well! We don't have any beprogrammer's! So don't get caught!
November 27th, 2012 5:25 AM
Jane used a voice manipulator in the episode A Price Above Rubies. Red John could be doing the samething. I've used them, they work quite well. I had a lot of fun playing with it. I laughed so hard I thought I would break a rib!
November 27th, 2012 5:05 AM
Jane is engaged in mind games with Red John.
Mind Games- a largely conscious struggle for psychological one-upmanship. Offen employs passive-agressive behavior to specifically demoralize or empower the thinking subject, making the agressor look superior. Also refered to as power games. These games have layered levels and degrees from comic to tragic. Visualize and the NLP center uses all these tactic's and so does Red John. I'm positive Red John belongs to one of these places. All the things I listed have been and is still used in real life w/ all the effects shown in the series.
November 27th, 2012 4:55 AM
I went and did some checking on brainwashing. Here is what I found; mystery religions require an indoctrination period before granting access to esoteric levels. Visualize has six levels. The most insidious and effective technique of brainwashing is convivial display of false friendship. Mind control is possible through covert exploitation of the subconscious. The area's of mind control include and are not limited to the following; media manipulation,crow manipulation, culture of fear, destabilisation, gaslighting,brainwasing, hyptnosis, indoctrination, and mind games.
November 27th, 2012 1:02 AM
Continued: So maybe this is a conflict between ideas that hurt people and those that harm them. OK, this may be getting a little too deep, and I still can't figure out why RJ cares about Jane, while I certainly do know why Jane despises RJ. We'll see.
November 27th, 2012 1:00 AM
The only people who kill and die for someone or something are those committed to an ideology - political or religious. As in 9-11 and similar murderous stuff. The only thing close to an ideology of this nature is Visualize, and it does not seem that RJ is working within that. Bret Stiles seems to know a lot about RJ, but not from direct contact. I don't see how RJ can do all this brainwashing without a basic ideology framing it. His minions do talk about enlightenment and the big picture and similar transcendental comments. Jane stands aloof from this sort of thing, although he is not opposed to otherworldly fantasies that help people deal with pain and the tragedies of life. He even uses them himself (the flower in the ocean, the belladonna tea, the accepting of a bereaved person's religious medal). He understands that. He just opposes and ridicules the expressions that victimize people, as Visualize does - and even as he did as a fake psychic, something he regrets. So maybe this is a
November 26th, 2012 10:15 PM
Here's my profile theory on Red John. Short and sweet. Red John acts like a person that has made a personal investment in Jane. He acts like Jane owes him something. He acts like Jane needs to repay him something. That one slander cannot be the whole thing. When someone gives you a lot and you bite that hand, there is a possiblity that hand may become vengeful and want to bite you back!
November 26th, 2012 10:05 PM
Brainwashing is something that needs to be explored. Red John owns these people mind body and soul. What has the ability to do that! What would make a person give up all that they believe to take one another belief system? This will be a big clue when we figure this out. This is part of the profile we are missing. We have to be our own dectives on this because the writer's certainly are not going to tell us. They did their homework and we have to do ours. I am invested enough to do it!
November 26th, 2012 9:55 PM
Red John acts needy when it comes to Jane. What comes to mind when a person acts like this?
November 26th, 2012 9:53 PM
We need to profile his verbage too! What he thinks and then break it down. We will be able to see it once we do it. It's a lot of work but it will give us a read. You have given a lot of the info. already.
November 26th, 2012 9:53 PM
Continued: And that voice! Why can't Jane ID Red John by remembering who has that voice among those he's met? Is RJ faking that voice? And what is there about Jane that attracts RJ? Maybe if we figure that out we will be able to ID Red John.
November 26th, 2012 9:48 PM
OK, NOW YOU KNOW THAT WAS FUNNY! I'M ROLLING AROUND ON THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW! This is why I love The Mentalist, it makes me think of dumb crap like this. IT'S FUNNY BUT I'M COMPLETELY SERIOUS! THIS IS MY FUNNY OXYMORON!
November 26th, 2012 9:48 PM
There's way too much info missing to do a decent profile of RJ. What were his victims like before he killed Jane's family. What did they have in common? Well, they were mostly women, but "mostly" leaves a lot of leeway for motives. OK, so it was mostly women because they were generally easier to attack and less able to fight back than men would be. So he's not an especially muscular type. Attacks from behind probably. Basically chooses a take-no-chances killing strategy, therefore not a risk-taker. We know he is a bit under 6 ft tall, medium build. Has the financial means and social position that enables him to control people and situations. Obviously charismatic - but to the point of getting people to kill and die for him??!!! That's a bit much. Is hypnotism involved? It would have to be pretty powerful and it's not supposed to work for getting people to do what they deep down don't want to do. RJ seems lonely, given his apparent need to have a friendship with Jane. And that voice! S
November 26th, 2012 9:37 PM
Huisclothes, clearly! the writer's are very adapt at identifing the psychological nature of the social and emotional behaviors of men and women. We would be remiss in our abilities to be able to reason and deduce the information we have been given by the writers if we fall down on our swords. The writer's have shown us that they deem us worthy of the torment they have inflicted upon us weekly for the LAST PAST FIVE YEARS! Let us live up to their expectations and be victorious. We will leave the cry babies behind and forge head!
November 26th, 2012 8:31 PM
Rationalgal if you remember right Lisbon told Rebecca the following; stop smiling bitch, don't you smile at me. Rebecca got a little attention from Red John and it made her life! She was in seventh heaven! I love the fact that you pounced on the haters. You made my day! I'm going to cold read you one day! I have to hone my skills a little more! LOL! We need to Profile Red John. Get all the info. he has ever said or that has been said by his minions and put it in one place and deduce it!. This, I think will give us a better psychological profile. We are missing something, I know it. The writer's have given us the symbolism on Jane. I know they must have given us the symbolism on Red John too! We must remain vigilant and focus!
November 26th, 2012 8:04 PM
THE WRITER'S ARE SINISTER! bURRRRR... I'M GETTING GOOSEBUMPS!
November 26th, 2012 8:03 PM
This is getting good, now the writer's are trying to make victims of the viewers. Oh! Man! How great! Is this! I would send the writer's my paycheck their so good! Keep up the good work. You guys are the best ever!
November 26th, 2012 7:55 PM
The handshake is a oxymoron! Handshakes can happen in hello or goodbye. Red John could never have enough time to give this info. to Lorilei. The show itself is throwing out a red herring. Rationalgal check out the symbolism for Lisbon in see Jane run reviews. Everything points to the fact that this is a head game by Red John. As smart as Jane is, he could never remember how people he shook hands with in his life. Think about it, can you remember everyone you ever shook hands with? I'm not buying this crap! If you freeze frame your TV, it will slow motion and you can advance the frames and see the names. Don't become a victim of Red John's games.
November 26th, 2012 5:07 PM
This handshake thing is strange. How would Lorelei know who Jane has shaken hands with (unless RJ told her)? She only met Jane recently in Las Vegas. Maybe it was there she saw this handshaking occur. If so, we can narrow he search to the episodes where Jane was in Vegas (2, I think). It's all so odd. When Rebecca was poisoned by RJ (shown by her joy at seeing this "security guard" approach) didn't any of the other guards notice him as a person to question? He couldn't have been Minelli, because everyone knew him as the boss.
Loved the bit where Jane jumped the fence like a big showoff and Lisbon just went over and opened the gate. They make such a great team! They seem to complete each other in so many ways. This is a show for thinking people who love to unravel mysteries. Those who post here with complaints should stick with the mindless sex and violence programs backed by loud aggressive music that have no depth whatsoever. TV is overrun with them.
November 26th, 2012 4:42 PM
I liked the episode, but after the episode of the previous week, left me a bit indifferent. I loved the comedy of Jane. A routine but entertaining episode, but not great.
November 26th, 2012 4:22 PM
Not a lot of Red John meat in this episode. Just Jane, making his list and checking it twice. Wish I could see that list! Somebody actually saw names on it? I'll have to watch again.
November 26th, 2012 3:19 PM
remember the samuel pepys quote "when a man is sick of london, he's sick of life?" if you're sick of red john, you're sick of the mentalist. it's a free country. but why trash this foundation of the show, and by association, everyone who likes it? back to who is red john? i am a little sad at having the circle of possibilities narrowed -- probably because it makes me feel like the end (of the series) is coming. we are looking, i think, for wealth. virility, the guy's had three mistresses so far, rosalind, bosco's secretary, and loralei (lisbon's speculation) and at least, one rape. so that leads me to a relatively younger man. seems like he should have brains and charm. but maybe they'll go for the old "banality of evil" thing. last night, the first scene with jane and the golfer was priceless. simon is great at comedy.
November 26th, 2012 1:40 PM
I'd have Minelli be RJ. His experience in law enforcement would have given him the ability to foil Jane for so long