allie701 Rank: Guest Star
January 16th, 2013 2:06 PM
Wonderfully heartbreaking episode. Loved when Vance said now he understood how Gibbs felt (losing his wife and child) and I also liked that Gibbs did not respond with any platitudes. Tony was awesome, Tim was solid, Ducky was so very touching. All in all an emotional episode in which every emotion rang true.
sonde
January 16th, 2013 1:56 PM
Tony, Tony, Tony should get an Emmy, Emmy, Emmy!
Whose eye didn't well up when they hugged? It didn't have to be romantic, he was just there for her, a pillar instead of a joy stick.
Robin Roderick
January 16th, 2013 1:55 PM
My favorite line in the episode Ducky delivered to Bodnar, "That depends, who's your grandmother?" Go Ducky!
Some of the dialog was a bit off, but for the most part enjoyed the intrigue. I'm thinking Bodnar could be a red herring, people! Just throwing this out there, what about Hadar making a grab for the Director's Chair in Mossad?
Lovely that Tony told Ziva, "Aht lo le vadh." "You are not alone." She needed to hear that more than a declaration of love.
Somebody complained that everybody showed up at the hospital for Vance, and nobody was there for Ziva. At the crime scene, if you looked at Tony's face, McGee and Gibbs, they couldn't bear to watch Ziva's tears over her dead father. They also knew she is the type of person who had to go through that initial shock and pain alone.
Ugh, I hate waiting for a new episode . . . !
Nat
January 16th, 2013 1:51 PM
I loved the following quote:
What a stand-up guy. I remember a few seasons ago, when Gibbs noticed that about him: when the pressure is off, Tony likes to act up and play. But when the pressure's on, and decisions have to be made, Tony is front and center, strong and dependable. He saw it long before we got to see it.
YES. There were sooo many things about this ep that I loved, but I truly applaud Tony. What a long, LONG way he has come, finally. He used to be such a Jerk to me, although a good cop. But he was THERE for Ziva time, emotionally. No sarcastic jokes; no smart aleck remarks - Just Tony, the Rock. I loved him for it all the more. The writers allowed Tony & Ziva to really shine in their respective ways. An excellent episode!!!
teachemwell Rank: Extra
January 16th, 2013 1:40 PM
How is this show so good and NCIS-LA so lame?
guest
January 16th, 2013 1:37 PM
Every show that features a real agency such as the FBI, CIA, CSI, police departments, fire departments, etc.. all take dramatic license. The only reason they call it ZNN instead of CNN is because of copyright infringement or they would have to pay CNN everytime they used their name or logo. Should the President of the United States be offended eveytime someone portrays that office in an unflattering way or refers to a past, real president? And it's not just NCIS-have you ever seen Alias or Covert Affairs? How about JAG? They all feature REAL agencies that are not exactly portrayed realistically!
msbutch
January 16th, 2013 1:29 PM
OK,I'm going to disagree with all of this praise. I hate story arcs that kill of characters -- I think they are cheap ratings grabbers. Someone dies and then they get to waste a few episodes on mourning and revenge (which shows are normally dull) then they move forward without beina able to use that recurring character, narrowing the range of characters we know. I thought last night's show was boring as h***, and I HATE montages -- just a way to get away with a shorter script. And I really really hate that they killed off Mike Frank.
Camelot
January 16th, 2013 1:27 PM
I fear that NCIS is going the same direction as the Roseanne show did in her last season. Far fetched, stupid and over the top. They no longer cared about quality.
ColleenM
January 16th, 2013 1:25 PM
As I stated: yes, Jackie was a support character, but Leon Vance is a MAIN character. With her death it affects the makeup of the main character.
Yes, NCIS is fiction, but NCIS is a real agency. The show has a responsibility when portraying an actual agency. Why do you think they show ZNN instead of the real CNN?
Barb Z
January 16th, 2013 1:25 PM
Terrific show. Probably the best ever. Very emotional without being whiney. I loved it.
gatorgal Rank: Recurring Character
January 16th, 2013 12:41 PM
Kazmi was killed at the intersection of Independence Avenue and 14th Street in DC. I work in DC, and my commuter bus takes that route. Guess there are going to be delays...
Guest
January 16th, 2013 12:38 PM
I said it once and I will say it again. Why didn't CBS/NCIS save these episodes for sweeps week? Over 21 million viewers last week and over 22 million this week. It doesn't make sense.
EB
January 16th, 2013 12:30 PM
After thinking about it a while, I am going to stand by my assertion that Jerome Craig is mixed up in all of this somehow. His behavior was just a little too nervous and a little too inept. This is not how I would expect a Deputy Director of a federal agency to behave and I think he has something to hide. Bodner may just be a red herring (whose body may never be found).
Michael
January 16th, 2013 12:15 PM
I still think its more then one person doing this I still believe Trent Kort behide this
pward
January 16th, 2013 12:04 PM
The scene where the Iranian's car blew up reminded me of scenes from when Jenny met with Kort in Paris so that's where my mind went. So they were going for him being on his way to the airport when he was killed.
Also remember all of this is filmed in California and the DC landmarks are inserted afterwards. That may be why they use night scenes sometimes - it's easier to insert details to look like DC (the Capital or Washington Monument in the background) without having other things show up to mess up the scene (like signs or landmarks not in DC).
mewofford
January 16th, 2013 12:00 PM
I thought this was an excellent follow up to an excellent episode last week. Still heart breaking, still exploring the ways the characters react to the trauma they have all experienced in one way or another.
Shout outs to Tim for manning up and confronting the Deputy Director for Mossad, to Ducky for his incredibly funny put down of the same man, to Gibbs for using only his eyes to impress upon Leon that he needed to think of his children first and leave the vengenance to Gibbs, and then to Tony and Ziva...Tony for, as everyone has said, being the rock his partner/or more needed and even exhibiting tough love when he told her to grieve as the daughter of a dead man should, and Ziva for making me believe every single moment she was on the screen that she was in pain and lost in a way she'd never been before, at least that we've seen. Oh, and to the actor who plays Shmeil...man I just want to pinch his cheek every time I see him on the show, and I loved it when Ziva did it for me.
Keith Vlasak Rank: Recurring Character
January 16th, 2013 11:47 AM
@pward -- I checked on the Iranian being blown up in D.C. because I was afraid I might have just assumed it incorrectly, but his car turns on the big boulevard with the capitol lit up in the background and then it cuts to him on the phone talking about going home ... and then the car blows up.
@Ace and @Ray -- I was surprised to run across at a conservative (acknowledging this would be a partisan opinion) site in an article on Hollywood politics that (again, their opinion) even NCIS has succumbed to pressure to be more generic with regard to terrorists and so try not to portray Muslims as terrorists. I haven't determined that is the case, so far, but I have been trying to notice.
Sara
January 16th, 2013 10:59 AM
Can someone explain this episode to me? I'm confused. The Mossad D.D. killed his mentor, and sort of threathen Ziva, maybe kills the Iranian and no one thinks Ziva may need some protection while in Israel? Not to mention war NOT going to break out over this? Where was the "family" for Ziva at? Tony was the only one to step up and try to help her. There are so many parts of this show that didn't make sense to me. The acting was fantastic, but I agree, I think the writers dropped the ball with this one.
OK, it cut off my last comment.
I'm ticked both that they killed another female character we cared about as well as breaking the one "normal" family we had among the main characters.
Was Eli's Iranian counterpart killed in DC? I'll have to watch again but I thought he was killed somewhere else on his way home - Paris or London perhaps? More time to set it up and less chance of getting the Americans involved.
Also Jackie was listed as being in the episode but I don't remember seeing her. Will have to watch it again.
OK, raise your hand if you thought "Oh, look there's Eyal. Where's Annie?" Wondered there for a second if I was watching USA instead of CBS. When his character first appeared on Covert Affairs I had to stop and think a minute if he was a crossover from NCIS (I think he reminded me of Hadar and Malachi).
About the deputy director - at first I wondered if he had the job because of who he was related too. Every place has one (even govenment agencies) - someone who was hired because they looked good on paper and had a relative pushing for them. But as time went on and he found his footing the character grew I think. Vance once said he saw the agency as needing more Tim's than Tony's. So my point is I think the character is someone either Vance or SecNav or both saw as a possible future director for NCIS just like Vance sees Tim as future director material.
I'm still a little ticked both at NCIS for killing off another female character - Kate, Paula, Jenny, Lee, Lacy and now Jackie (not
Ray
January 16th, 2013 10:44 AM
This show made no sense to me. The Iran guy getting killed on American soil would send us into war with Iran. Who by the way, wants to bomb us off the face of the earth along with Isreal. To have him be "good" and an Isreal guy be "bad" is wrong. Not happy with this installment. To many politics, personal views, and just plain bad writing to make this viewer happy. The actors shined, but the writing was the pits.
Grimmfan#10
January 16th, 2013 10:37 AM
Bodnar: And whose grandfather would you be?
Ducky: Well that depends. Who's your grandmother?
Way to go Ducky! This was a very good eposide but fell off at the end for me. I can see this really being finished or cliff hanger at the end of the season. Love Tony and Ziva together. Odd converstion between Ziva and Bodnar because earlier she said he was not family but when he called her she was nice to him. He really looked hurt about Eli being dead. He also told Ziva he would always find her! Bodnar being the bad guy is too easy. I money is on little Shmeil. Remember he did not have nice things to say about Eli!
Ace
January 16th, 2013 10:35 AM
Cont.........Some family. I will watch again to see if I get a different take on it, but on the first viewing, I didn't like it.
Ace
January 16th, 2013 10:34 AM
I have mixed feelings for this ep. There was some good stuff and really bad stuff. Abby cooking in her lab? Dumb, stupid and not to mention unsafe. A rouge Mossad (sp?) officer being the bad guy? Really? It seems like the writers of this show hate Israel. They even put in how glad Eli was of his "American" daugther. UNBELIEVEABLE !!! They have Tony yelling at Ziva to act like the daughter of a dead man, in a since telling her HOW to greive. NO ONE CAN TELL YOU HOW TO ACT WHEN YOU ARE GREIVING. It is different for everyone, and Ziva's actions were in character. Gibbs, telling her to go home, when she was suppose to keep up appearance of "normal" activities as to not let anyone know that Eli was dead. IN fact, no one was suppose to know he was even in town. Not to even be in the NCIS office would send up a red flag as something unual going on. Gibbs didn't say or do anything to show his concern for Ziva and to top it all off, no one goes with her to Israel for support. Some fa
Redcurlyhead
January 16th, 2013 10:14 AM
Loved the last two episodes. Period.
We're the heck is Palmer? He hasn't been in the last few episodes. To that he's a favorite or anything, but, I'm curious is all.
Franks: Over the years we do some things, some good, some bad. Decisions that help one person can hurt another. Gibbs: Damned if you do. Franks: In the end, ...
Rank: Guest Star
January 16th, 2013 2:06 PM
Wonderfully heartbreaking episode. Loved when Vance said now he understood how Gibbs felt (losing his wife and child) and I also liked that Gibbs did not respond with any platitudes. Tony was awesome, Tim was solid, Ducky was so very touching. All in all an emotional episode in which every emotion rang true.
January 16th, 2013 1:56 PM
Tony, Tony, Tony should get an Emmy, Emmy, Emmy!
Whose eye didn't well up when they hugged? It didn't have to be romantic, he was just there for her, a pillar instead of a joy stick.
January 16th, 2013 1:55 PM
My favorite line in the episode Ducky delivered to Bodnar, "That depends, who's your grandmother?" Go Ducky!
Some of the dialog was a bit off, but for the most part enjoyed the intrigue. I'm thinking Bodnar could be a red herring, people! Just throwing this out there, what about Hadar making a grab for the Director's Chair in Mossad?
Lovely that Tony told Ziva, "Aht lo le vadh." "You are not alone." She needed to hear that more than a declaration of love.
Somebody complained that everybody showed up at the hospital for Vance, and nobody was there for Ziva. At the crime scene, if you looked at Tony's face, McGee and Gibbs, they couldn't bear to watch Ziva's tears over her dead father. They also knew she is the type of person who had to go through that initial shock and pain alone.
Ugh, I hate waiting for a new episode . . . !
January 16th, 2013 1:51 PM
I loved the following quote:
What a stand-up guy. I remember a few seasons ago, when Gibbs noticed that about him: when the pressure is off, Tony likes to act up and play. But when the pressure's on, and decisions have to be made, Tony is front and center, strong and dependable. He saw it long before we got to see it.
YES. There were sooo many things about this ep that I loved, but I truly applaud Tony. What a long, LONG way he has come, finally. He used to be such a Jerk to me, although a good cop. But he was THERE for Ziva time, emotionally. No sarcastic jokes; no smart aleck remarks - Just Tony, the Rock. I loved him for it all the more. The writers allowed Tony & Ziva to really shine in their respective ways. An excellent episode!!!
Rank: Extra
January 16th, 2013 1:40 PM
How is this show so good and NCIS-LA so lame?
January 16th, 2013 1:37 PM
Every show that features a real agency such as the FBI, CIA, CSI, police departments, fire departments, etc.. all take dramatic license. The only reason they call it ZNN instead of CNN is because of copyright infringement or they would have to pay CNN everytime they used their name or logo. Should the President of the United States be offended eveytime someone portrays that office in an unflattering way or refers to a past, real president? And it's not just NCIS-have you ever seen Alias or Covert Affairs? How about JAG? They all feature REAL agencies that are not exactly portrayed realistically!
January 16th, 2013 1:29 PM
OK,I'm going to disagree with all of this praise. I hate story arcs that kill of characters -- I think they are cheap ratings grabbers. Someone dies and then they get to waste a few episodes on mourning and revenge (which shows are normally dull) then they move forward without beina able to use that recurring character, narrowing the range of characters we know. I thought last night's show was boring as h***, and I HATE montages -- just a way to get away with a shorter script. And I really really hate that they killed off Mike Frank.
January 16th, 2013 1:27 PM
I fear that NCIS is going the same direction as the Roseanne show did in her last season. Far fetched, stupid and over the top. They no longer cared about quality.
January 16th, 2013 1:25 PM
As I stated: yes, Jackie was a support character, but Leon Vance is a MAIN character. With her death it affects the makeup of the main character.
Yes, NCIS is fiction, but NCIS is a real agency. The show has a responsibility when portraying an actual agency. Why do you think they show ZNN instead of the real CNN?
January 16th, 2013 1:25 PM
Terrific show. Probably the best ever. Very emotional without being whiney. I loved it.
Rank: Recurring Character
January 16th, 2013 12:41 PM
Kazmi was killed at the intersection of Independence Avenue and 14th Street in DC. I work in DC, and my commuter bus takes that route. Guess there are going to be delays...
January 16th, 2013 12:38 PM
I said it once and I will say it again. Why didn't CBS/NCIS save these episodes for sweeps week? Over 21 million viewers last week and over 22 million this week. It doesn't make sense.
January 16th, 2013 12:30 PM
After thinking about it a while, I am going to stand by my assertion that Jerome Craig is mixed up in all of this somehow. His behavior was just a little too nervous and a little too inept. This is not how I would expect a Deputy Director of a federal agency to behave and I think he has something to hide. Bodner may just be a red herring (whose body may never be found).
January 16th, 2013 12:15 PM
I still think its more then one person doing this I still believe Trent Kort behide this
January 16th, 2013 12:04 PM
The scene where the Iranian's car blew up reminded me of scenes from when Jenny met with Kort in Paris so that's where my mind went. So they were going for him being on his way to the airport when he was killed.
Also remember all of this is filmed in California and the DC landmarks are inserted afterwards. That may be why they use night scenes sometimes - it's easier to insert details to look like DC (the Capital or Washington Monument in the background) without having other things show up to mess up the scene (like signs or landmarks not in DC).
January 16th, 2013 12:00 PM
I thought this was an excellent follow up to an excellent episode last week. Still heart breaking, still exploring the ways the characters react to the trauma they have all experienced in one way or another.
Shout outs to Tim for manning up and confronting the Deputy Director for Mossad, to Ducky for his incredibly funny put down of the same man, to Gibbs for using only his eyes to impress upon Leon that he needed to think of his children first and leave the vengenance to Gibbs, and then to Tony and Ziva...Tony for, as everyone has said, being the rock his partner/or more needed and even exhibiting tough love when he told her to grieve as the daughter of a dead man should, and Ziva for making me believe every single moment she was on the screen that she was in pain and lost in a way she'd never been before, at least that we've seen. Oh, and to the actor who plays Shmeil...man I just want to pinch his cheek every time I see him on the show, and I loved it when Ziva did it for me.
Rank: Recurring Character
January 16th, 2013 11:47 AM
@pward -- I checked on the Iranian being blown up in D.C. because I was afraid I might have just assumed it incorrectly, but his car turns on the big boulevard with the capitol lit up in the background and then it cuts to him on the phone talking about going home ... and then the car blows up.
@Ace and @Ray -- I was surprised to run across at a conservative (acknowledging this would be a partisan opinion) site in an article on Hollywood politics that (again, their opinion) even NCIS has succumbed to pressure to be more generic with regard to terrorists and so try not to portray Muslims as terrorists. I haven't determined that is the case, so far, but I have been trying to notice.
January 16th, 2013 10:59 AM
Can someone explain this episode to me? I'm confused. The Mossad D.D. killed his mentor, and sort of threathen Ziva, maybe kills the Iranian and no one thinks Ziva may need some protection while in Israel? Not to mention war NOT going to break out over this? Where was the "family" for Ziva at? Tony was the only one to step up and try to help her. There are so many parts of this show that didn't make sense to me. The acting was fantastic, but I agree, I think the writers dropped the ball with this one.
Rank: New User
January 16th, 2013 10:58 AM
OK, it cut off my last comment.
I'm ticked both that they killed another female character we cared about as well as breaking the one "normal" family we had among the main characters.
Was Eli's Iranian counterpart killed in DC? I'll have to watch again but I thought he was killed somewhere else on his way home - Paris or London perhaps? More time to set it up and less chance of getting the Americans involved.
Also Jackie was listed as being in the episode but I don't remember seeing her. Will have to watch it again.
Rank: New User
January 16th, 2013 10:53 AM
OK, raise your hand if you thought "Oh, look there's Eyal. Where's Annie?" Wondered there for a second if I was watching USA instead of CBS. When his character first appeared on Covert Affairs I had to stop and think a minute if he was a crossover from NCIS (I think he reminded me of Hadar and Malachi).
About the deputy director - at first I wondered if he had the job because of who he was related too. Every place has one (even govenment agencies) - someone who was hired because they looked good on paper and had a relative pushing for them. But as time went on and he found his footing the character grew I think. Vance once said he saw the agency as needing more Tim's than Tony's. So my point is I think the character is someone either Vance or SecNav or both saw as a possible future director for NCIS just like Vance sees Tim as future director material.
I'm still a little ticked both at NCIS for killing off another female character - Kate, Paula, Jenny, Lee, Lacy and now Jackie (not
January 16th, 2013 10:44 AM
This show made no sense to me. The Iran guy getting killed on American soil would send us into war with Iran. Who by the way, wants to bomb us off the face of the earth along with Isreal. To have him be "good" and an Isreal guy be "bad" is wrong. Not happy with this installment. To many politics, personal views, and just plain bad writing to make this viewer happy. The actors shined, but the writing was the pits.
January 16th, 2013 10:37 AM
Bodnar: And whose grandfather would you be?
Ducky: Well that depends. Who's your grandmother?
Way to go Ducky! This was a very good eposide but fell off at the end for me. I can see this really being finished or cliff hanger at the end of the season. Love Tony and Ziva together. Odd converstion between Ziva and Bodnar because earlier she said he was not family but when he called her she was nice to him. He really looked hurt about Eli being dead. He also told Ziva he would always find her! Bodnar being the bad guy is too easy. I money is on little Shmeil. Remember he did not have nice things to say about Eli!
January 16th, 2013 10:35 AM
Cont.........Some family. I will watch again to see if I get a different take on it, but on the first viewing, I didn't like it.
January 16th, 2013 10:34 AM
I have mixed feelings for this ep. There was some good stuff and really bad stuff. Abby cooking in her lab? Dumb, stupid and not to mention unsafe. A rouge Mossad (sp?) officer being the bad guy? Really? It seems like the writers of this show hate Israel. They even put in how glad Eli was of his "American" daugther. UNBELIEVEABLE !!! They have Tony yelling at Ziva to act like the daughter of a dead man, in a since telling her HOW to greive. NO ONE CAN TELL YOU HOW TO ACT WHEN YOU ARE GREIVING. It is different for everyone, and Ziva's actions were in character. Gibbs, telling her to go home, when she was suppose to keep up appearance of "normal" activities as to not let anyone know that Eli was dead. IN fact, no one was suppose to know he was even in town. Not to even be in the NCIS office would send up a red flag as something unual going on. Gibbs didn't say or do anything to show his concern for Ziva and to top it all off, no one goes with her to Israel for support. Some fa
January 16th, 2013 10:14 AM
Loved the last two episodes. Period.
We're the heck is Palmer? He hasn't been in the last few episodes. To that he's a favorite or anything, but, I'm curious is all.