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@Richard. Unfortunately Abaddon is dead, as Dean chopped her head off. Hopefully you are right, though. I would love to see her back.
This was the best episode of an overall very poor S8. Abaddon was terrific, and Henry was good, too. S8 needs to keep the interesting characters and stop the nonsense. Amelia was totally pointless to the show, and she took up way too much time. I am struggling to watch Kevin - I think he is miscast. The prophet should be able to read the tablets, so why can't he? I feel irritated by his whingeing, and I disliked the way his mother was a character (she shouldn't have been in it), or the witch, or Amelia's father or husband. Give us hunters, and MOL. Why can't we have another Pator Jim type hunter. Stop the Charlie and Garth rubbish. The LARPing episode was rubbish. Please, no more nonsense. Get to the Naomi story, this could be interesting. Love Cas and Benny.
@ Dean Grimly
Abaddon was not killed.
A very nice episode, and with all the puzzle pieces slowly finding their places, season gr8 is on the right track. It was interesting to get to hear a bit more about the Winchester family, and I can't wait to see how this men of letters-thing ties in with the tablet plot. The brothers getting along once again was a nice change of pace, though I hope the codependency will slowly lessen for their own good.
All the side characters have been a joy to watch, too, and I hope for good endings for Benny, Amelia and the Trans' stories.
The only problem I had with the episode was how there was no straightforward mention about Cas, because I find it quite odd that Dean isn't more worried about what happened to him. With Cas around Dean seems truly happy and Sam gets more freedom to do what he wants, and in episodes with all three working together the atmosphere is a lot lighter. Well, I hope we'll get to see a lot more Cas in later episodes and to have Team free will working together again to
Season 8 had such a good starting premise, but then got lost in a tangle of boring soap opera and brotherly angst. Dean’s purgatory storyline was exciting and entertaining but flashbacks were few and far between. Instead we got doubled dosed with soapy Samelia. Anyway, that’s all water under the bridge now. This episode has put the show back on track with Sam & Dean working together like a team. And it has provided an interesting insight into the secret workings of the MOL/hunter organization. Honestly, this needed to be the 3rd or 4th episode to get the season going with a bang. It is definitely in my top 5 favs. Like everyone else, I wish Henry (and Abaddon too) could've survived to fight another day. Great characters.
4.9!!!This deserves all 5 stars and more. Gil was awesome as Henry and really another powerful object came in to the Supernatural midst. Again Dean was awesome and I specially liked the part that he goes off on Henry stating that family comes first not a book club. Superb episode.
Best episode of the season by far. When SPN goes back to its roots of family and focusing on Sam and Dean it really shines, and that's exactly what this episode did. Now all we need is a better emotional POV for Sam and we'll be all set.
Help MOL has been best described as Giles to Buffy if you've watched Buffy the vampire slayer. Watchers if you're a Highlander fan. MOL are the bookworms who study and collect things if Supernatural order. They however don't kill any actual monsters if they can help it. That they leave to Hunters.
Loved Henry! Every board I've checked loves Henry too. Abbadon was good but she could get old fast with the show me bit and being unstoppable.
Now, THAT episode was more like it!
Although the script could've used a bit more work, this showed us a more recognizable Sam! So glad to see hunter Sam back, rather than the whiny mooch when he was with the execrable Amelia (DO NOT BRING HER BACK. EVER.)
Season 8 may yet be saved if we see more episodes of this caliber! Not looking forward to more Garth and Charlie however. Lay off the comedy, writers. More Supernatural, that's what the show is about.
SPN writers should hold a competition for fans to submit stories. I have read better fan-fiction than what we have seen from S6 onwards. S6 was a let-down with the Lisa & Ben rubbish (Lisa was Dean's one night stand from years back), and with Sam's annoying soullessness and wall-breaking down. S7 was bad with Cas killing humans on earth (his issue was with Raphael, and we should have seen the war in heaven). S7 was also damaged by killing and then bringing Bobby back as a vengeful ghost, and with Sam's annoying hell/psychic pain. S8 is the worst with "Bitten", Amelia, teenage Tran, mom, Garth & Charlie. Finally, we have a good episode. However, Abaddon shouldn't have been killed off so soon. They need to show us the Naomi/ Cas story. That LARPing episode was a waste. The tablet story would be better if there was a missing one - the fact that the annoying prophet is taking too long to read them is purely bad writing.
About time family honour was brought back to SPN. Sam not looking for Dean, and not even being particularly interested in Dean returning, was appalling writing. Dean may as well have gone to the store to get a pint of milk for all Sam cared. His pointless flashbacks and maintainance work are unwatchable. He left his post as a hunter, and left the Leviathan loose. He also left Dean tied to a radiator, got unwell hunter Martin involved in a hunt against the creature who saved Dean's life, left Martin in the forest, was unmoved that Martin was killed, comitted adultery, whined about the fake text message, and then gave Dean an ultimatum to end his friendship with the one who saved him from Purgatory. SPN is about two brothers who care about each other and their legacy. Agree that this was the best episode so far out of a very, very bad season.
This is the first good episode of an extremely poor S8. It gets back to basics and family, even if the script was a bit awful, (come on - Dean and Sam took a hundred years to tell Henry that John was their father. Dean would have said, he's our father, who are you?). The episode was also spoiled when Dean said, "I'll phone Garth". Abaddon was excellent, but I agree she shouldn't have been killed. In the Bible Abbadon comes from the Abyss, so this would have been a great way to bring back Michael & Lucifer (in the Bible it suggests that Abaddon IS Lucifer - "the angel of the bottomless pit"). Sam was a bit better this episode - S8 writers have sadly turned him into a nob. The LARPing episode was rubbish. Please writers, no more pointless cliched "comical" characters or nonsense. Back to the brothers and their sense of duty. But good work with this episode.
Finally to see the Winchester side of the family was enlightening-- the old SPN atmosphere made it all look great, but come on SPN producers. I agree with KJF: everything in this episode felt forced as hell. Even the introduction of the new demon type and the division between hunters and the secret club required too much imagination, let alone the wooden box as a key. And does dying on SPN even carry meaning? All that is required is an angel to bring back your loved ones. That is why I hate how a lot of SPN episodes have ended lately, just like a rollercoaster coming to a full stop and beginning anew with each episode. What I need to see is more suspense and character development, NOT introducing all of a sudden some new stuff and not even creating a loud bang for this episode's ending. Too bad SPN.. Too bad.
I agree with most, this was a really good episode. It was good to see John's side of the family and have him mentioned again. I miss John and do wish they could somehow bring him back. Being able to understand his background was really enjoyable. I wish Henry could've stuck around for a little longer.
Loved this episode! One of the best (if not THE best) of the season so far.
But am i the only one who still remember about Dean and Sam's mother (As well as the rest of her family) being a hunter? For some reason i thought it should have been mentioned. The brothers might be Men of Letters legacies by their father's side, but they are hunters, mostly because of John, but through their mother's side as well.
This was the best episode of the season. God I wish I was a writer for this show because sometimes they need a little help. But this one was great and memorable. I've been a fan of this show since it's debut back in 2005 and I still have hope. I think the secret to keeping this show top notch is to not forget where Sam and Dean came from and who they truly are. And Eric Kripke's message about the importance of family. Also please bring back funny, cool, skirt chaser Dean. He's so serious now. Granted he and Sam have aged and have been through a lot but getting older shouldn't change a person that much. At least I hope not.
so can some explain what the men of letters were..??
Really did love this episode. Finally they bring something new into the story. I love Cass but I was starting to get tired of the Angel stuff. I hope that the boys embrace their new found "legacies" and that we learn more about secret society that Henry belonged to. I hope is also gives them some new ways to defeat Crowley though I still doubt they will be able to close the gates of Hell forever as that would end the show.
Now that the Leviathan are no longer the central season theme, I actually wouldn't mind seeing them put in an appearance again this season. After all, they are God's most powerful creation. Only Dick was sent back to Purgatory. Edgar (Dick's right hand man) and the rest of the Levi are still out there, even though they are in disarray with Dick gone.
I have to say this was a great episode and definatley a new direction for the brothers. Family has always been the main theme of this show. Glad John was been redeemed so to speak. Love how Dean is so emotional when it comes to his Dad and brother and how this new found knowledge gives the boys more hope and understanding of who they are and why. Which is something they have "both" needed. Love that Sam was given cordnence to find this mystry place of Supernatural Lore. Something John has done in the past. So instead of looking for John as in S1 they will now be looking and researchng MoL and Supernatural Lore. And of course killing as many evil monsters they can along the way. It will be interesting to see how this new knowledge effects the tablets and Heaven and Hell. I think it will be a great rest of the season. I have to say I think the first half has been just as interesting. We all have to remember the loose ends for S6 and S7 need to be worked into S8 and beyond whether we like
Sean, I agree with your review! As I was watching last night, all I kept thinking was--this is what SPN is all about-- the boys and their family. I loved how they tied all the previous "THEN" shots into the story line--it worked so very well.
I do have a few questions coming off the episode-- Will the boys research the Men of Letters-to learn more about the key and exactly what the MoL was all about? Since Henry came to the future-John never learned about the MoL--so will this become a side story? I want to know where Cass and Naomi fit in with all this...there is almost ALWAYS a tie in for the characters-- I cannot imagine that this is different. And I want to know if there is lore or myth tied to the key--OH-- we need Bobby back for this!!
I want more episodes like this-- it was pure Supernatural at its best.
great awesome ep...definitly had that old SPN feel to it..... I too was hoping that the boy's would call Cas at the end to help save Henry...
I am very happy with Season 8 ...... even happier that they are not continueing on the Leviathan theme(horrid!).....
This did feel like a S1 episode which is the good. The bad was that felt forced. All of a sudden there's this IMPORTANT object that no one's ever mentioned before? ?? And all of a sudden there's some secret supernatural club that their family's a part of but the boys have never heard it mentioned by ANYONE before? ?? Never mind that their gramps was in it. Castiel wouldn't have mentioned it??? And speaking of Cass...your gramps is bleeding to death and it doesn't cross the Boyd's minds to call on Cass to save him??? I expect more from this show and hope I get it again, soon.
I really liked it! I thought it came off good and not campy at all! classic moments and I hope they can use something from in the future(time travel maybe?)
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