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Jefferson Starship: Sam and Dean still having fun? Sam wasn't having any fun - he is flat and dull. Dean had fun. Jensen is putting in the effort, but something must be off about Jared - perhaps he doesn't like the direction his character is going (and frankly I don't blame him). Hope they don't bring back Charlie - SPN is not a comedy, it is SPN.
My sentiments exactly!!!!
Another plot-hole: Why didn't Purgatory reject Castiel in the same way it rejected Dean. Benny could get out of Purgatory because he was once human. Benny said, "take away the fangs and the fun, and I was born human." Castiel is an angel, not a monster, so Purgatory should have rejected him, too. Also, take away the feathers and the fun, his vessel is human. It should have been easy for him to get out. I agree that S8 is failing. I sincerely hope it improves. Agree this LARPing episode was almost silly. Hate the way that Garth is taking over Bobby's role (he is an annoying character, and I don't know why the writers insist on keeping him). Thank God Amelia is gone!
Agree plot-holes in S8 bad. Also scripts - Amelia said "I hate motels," during her very unromantic post love scene with half-asleep Sam. If she hated motels, then why did she live in one? Sam said he feared the YED had Amelia, which is why he panicked over her text. If YED was burning her on ceiling, how would she have time to send a text instead of just calling? Amelia was nasty to him, so why did he give up hunting to be with her? When her father was rude to him she didn't defend him (btw, was that script supposed to be 'cute' - "don't mention the words moist or irregardless"). When Amelia met Sam in the bar at the end of mid-season finale, he looked horrified (like he was looking at Lucifer). When Dean showed up at motel, Sam asked "long drive?", when he had driven from the same place in Martin's car.
Nice break from the dark theme of s08. Jenson was off da hook in this ep and nice addition with the queen as well. Most of the time when Supernatural try to add a fun episode it works like magic. Keep it up.
IMO S8 is disappointing. S7 was bad, but I am finding S8 very slow moving. Have they forgotten the story arc of closing the gates to Hell (even though I dislike the Kevin character, they need to get to the point of this story-arc). The characters this season are obnoxious and annoying. Kevin is unconvincing as a prophet, and I hope we don't have to see his mother again with her water-pistols. The plot-holes are annoying. Where are the remaining archangels, and why didn't they protect Kevin? Why couldn't the vampires hear or smell Dean on the boat? The scripts are terrible - remember Sam's line to Amelia, "I'll probably go to hell for saying this, but..." Don't the writers know that he has been to Hell? A person who has been to Hell wouldn't say that expression.
@Silver. What goofiness? Sam and Dean still having fun? Sam wasn't having any fun - he is flat and dull. Dean had fun. Jensen is putting in the effort, but something must be off about Jared - perhaps he doesn't like the direction his character is going (and frankly I don't blame him). Hope they don't bring back Charlie - SPN is not a comedy, it is SPN.
@Tiddlywinks. My sentiments exactly. I struggle to agree that Sam "wanted a normal life" and that he would choose to do it with Dean missing. His "normal" life was a boring life (which robbed me of a large amount of SPN viewing time). I don't watch SPN to see the star of the show fixing sinks or drying dishes.
This episode was silly, and Sam still dull and half-asleep. Yes, he had more chemistry with the girl who played the LARP chick, though. Charlie talking about Sam's "chance of normal life", and bit about the text message was irritating. They need to stop bringing up the Amelia character, it was an unpleasant story. Also, to have Sam commit adultery was bad writing - he is supposed to be the star of the show, and indifference to Dean's disappearance cowardly. This episode bordered on silly - the William Wallace bit at the end had no place on SPN. The bit about the fairy was against canon - we saw fairies in S6, and they are evil. Also, the motivation to commit murder was unconvincing. The writers tried too hard to be "funny" which doesn't always work. Come on writers!
cool episode! 5/5 stars.
it's very splendid Arts very Beautiful the first Number One..
cont....the boys during a Con what they think of Sam's decision. Also, I still don t understand why Bobby had to die :(
I agree with many opinions that have been posted here. For me it hasn't been the same since season 5 but I stuck with it because I'm such a fan of the show and for the first 5 seasons it was only Supernatural for me. Even though I didn't like where they were taking the show in season 6,7 I just couldn't give up on it. That was until season 8 started, the funny thing is I really like season 8 because the cases and the whole vibe of the season reminds me of So 1&2 but the bond between the brothers is not there anymore, the chemistry between the actors is not there anymore...so no matter how good or enjoyable a storyline is...it's just not enough. Carver has been with the show for a long time so he must know how much the fan base cares about the brother's bond. To have Sam give up on his brother without a good reason it's just stupid writing. I feel like he is not even happy Dean is alive because that means he and Amelia can t be together. I really hope a fan has the chance to ask the
It's not even close--Sam and the blonde LARP CHICK (played by the beautiful Andrea Brooks) clicked naturally. None of the force stilted quality we have with Sam and Amelia. Sam should have went with Larpy! I was hoping Sam would change his mind & meet up w/her later -She had a lot more personality than Amelia!
How did the writers screw this one up? It genuinely puzzles me. Especially since imo much they have done is working very well.
I loved this episode for all its goofiness it showed that Sam and Dean can still have fun even if they have all these problems with Crowley etc. I wish they bring back the likable Sam not this "douche" as we are seeing him. Deans always cool but Sam was so much better before. Writers pick up your pens *sigh. Charlie and Dean's (friendly) chemistry was fun to watch, hope they bring her back :) Overall fun Episode, oh I want to watch the next episode yesterday already lolz
I don't believe Jeremy C and the writers are that clever.
It doesn't look like we're going to get an explanation as to why Sam didn't look for Dean. Dean disappeared in Time After Time in Season 7 and didn't "lose it." He was proactive in getting Dean back, contacted Jody Mills so she could assist, so I don't buy some fans' theories that he was grieving. Dean had disappeared, Sam didn't know what happened to him, whether he wsa dead or alive, but according to Carver, Sam was, "Yay, now that Dean's gone, I'll live my normal life."
Not good enough, Carver. Sam always had a streak of self-absorption, but you were never in doubt that he cared for Dean. In Mystery Spot, Sam cared about Dean.
The magic has gone from Supernatural. It's going to die horribly, just like the X-Files. Such a shame.
@Richard. Yeah, pretty much. People sit down to watch Arrow and leave the TV on. If I was a new viewer who started fresh in S8, I would be an ex-viewer by now!
And yes, if Spn were still showing on Friday nights, this show would be heading for cancellation - which would be well deserved. It's sad to see this show going downhill, and so quickly.
@Danna, I'm blaming the writers for the deterioration of Sam's character. Why they are writing Sam so hateful, I have no idea. I've been finding Jared's performance difficult to fathom, but perhaps he hates his storyline? The Js are still friends. However, who knows what is going on behind the scenes? I'll stop watching if Jared is forced off the show.
Maybe there is a reason for Jared's below par performance, and and there's a reason for Sam being so awful, which will be revealed before the end of the season. I'm not holding out much hope, however, because I don't believe the writers, or Jeremy Carver, for that matter, are that c
It's getting so hard to keep watching this show. Sam is just awful, I don t know if it is the actor's fault or the writers. No matter how they justify it I can t get past the fact that Sam just gave up on Dean...For me Sam has always been selfish but now with this sullen never ending attitude he is just boring, no fun, simply unwatchable character. Also are the actors fighting in real life because I swear I don t see any chemistry between them anymore...I had high hopes for this season with Carver but it has been such a disappointment.
So because SPN follows Arrow, those who watch Arrow are forced to watch SPN to artificially prop up SPN's ratings?
A mildly amusing episode that provided a few laughs. It would have been better if repellent Amelia had not been mentioned at all.
I HATED that scene where Charlie tells Dean that he's a dick for sending a fake text message. Please. Why would Dean spill his secrets and can the show stop blaming Dean for everything that goes wrong for Sam?
In fact, can the show simply drop mentioning the ghastly, vile Amelia and pretend it never happened? Can the show PLEASE redeem Sam and make him likable again? Is it really that difficult to not write him as a self centred douche? He is a hunter. Please make him one, not this wet rag. Where is Sam Winchester these days?
Memo to producers and writers - it is ONLY Arrow propping up Supernatural. If it had remained in its Friday slot, Supernatural would be dead.
Please improve, show. And FORGET AMELIA. PRETEND SHE DOES NOT EXIST. Even when she is not on screen, she is horrible.
this was a pretty good episode the bravehart bit at the end i just found irritating but aye overall an enjoyable episode. 8.5/10
What was that? Come on S8, lift your game. There were a few funny lines, and some good acting, but this episode was very ordinary. If a newcomer saw this episode, they wouldn't watch the show. Please writers, give us the goods! Also, please stop trying to put an argument that Sam was starting to have some "normalacy" to his life - he was committing adultery. He had no choice, he had to move on because Amelia's husband was back (from the dead like Days of Our Lives). He and Amelia had nothing in common, and his "romance" was boring. She knew nothing about him or his hunting. His desertion and indifference to Dean's disappearance was dishonourable as a hunter, and John Winchester would have been ashamed. The star of the show should be a hero, so please write Sam as one.
This was an okay episode. I agree that the sheriff at the beginning was gret and I like Charlie. I think the writing could have been better. I don't think it was a good decision for the boys not even to discuss what might be happening with Cass. Again people just don't forget stuff like that even during a case. I wish they had explored the fairy magic a little bit more but it was great to see Dean as William Wallace.
I loved it!! Hilarious. The end was so funny, I'm still giggling
Loved the episode and I have loved this season as well. I think the writers have done a great job. I thought this episode was so needed after all the intensity of the last few episodes. Nice to see the boys relax.
critique: I’ve seen people praise this episode for being fun, but still not completely forgetting about what happened in previous episodes by bringing up Benny and Amelia—but we kind of forgot to mention the more pressing matter of batshit crazy angel. I’m not saying every episode has to have a reference to Castiel, but they didn’t even resolve it in the last episode. They acknowledged something was wrong, but failed to discuss it since Sam needed to make a decision about Amelia. Which, fine. But now they’re driving along in the next episode saying they need to have some fun? Um…batshit crazy angel! Do we remember what happened the last time Castiel was acting weird? (Season 6, and consequently season 7, happened.) At the very least I would have taken a “He’s not answering our calls, nothing we can do about it at the moment.”
However, all complaints and even disappointments aside, this show is still better than anything else currently on the air.
I really thought the writing for this show was cleverer than that (and you can blame it on editing/direction, but the reason that it had to be done was because there was nothing else more interesting going on in the episode). In fact, I’m not even recognizing any writers this season other than Dabb & Loflin. Where the heck are Carver and Edlund? I was expecting this season to be so much better because those two have penned 7 out of my top 10 favorite episodes of all time. Seriously, I LOVE episodes like this—as long as they’re well written. And this one simply was not. To the person who said it was “Whedon-esque,” I almost take personal offense. Joss Whedon would never have written anything so anticlimactic and trite. (Please don’t point out to me every bad episode of Buffy ever written; go back and check, Whedon himself didn’t write those episodes.) Though I do have a dream about Joss Whedon guest writing/directing an episode of Supernatural.
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