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@km are you back from getting tea so quickly?
I liked season 5, maybe I liked 6 and 7 less.. and 9 maybe but otherwise it's a good one for me.
My "theory" is just my reading of TV renewal/cancelation blogs. Someone else here brought up the disappointment with how they handled Timothy Carter and they postulated people were let down about Jane not getting RJ. That may be correct and some of the audience left or waited the entire season 4 to depart. There are people only willing to give the RJ arc season 5 and they won't return for 6. And Sunday night, especially at 22:00, was CBS putting one foot in the grave. These next episodes need good numbers. And Warner Bros. may need to charge less for 6th season. WB has done it in the past. We're 'on the bubble' , the strongest of three Nielson rating wise, but we might have to wait until May.
@mimi: whooo there - of corse I'm Swiss! But there are no swiss translations available (hihihi that would be funny - Jane speaking swiss!!!!LOL). So, swiss is not a "real" language, just a lot of different middle high german dialects. We all have to learn high german in school. All the books, newspapers, tv shows etc. are in high german. I can read and speak high german very good, but I would never use it in a conversation with another swiss - exept someone from the french or italian speaking part of Switzerland. Sorry, I guess I'm not your neighbour then. (Thought you were French though!)
@km. and yes, you're right. most complaints i've seen are about the red john theme. these are, however, by people involved enough to weigh in. i will close by saying, the views expressed in my emails are purely the views of me and should not be tried at home by any other person.
Green. I think I am more of a dislike scene(s) than episode person. The headress was one of those scene. Sometime a corny scene like the scarecrow is redeemed by how it plays out with the other actors for me. Lisbon's delight and his delight in her amusement. Sometimes there is a scene or a few scenes in an episode that can leave me thinking. Sometimes I'll go rewatch a scene but not the entire episode, because the episode is in my lesser category. So if an episode leaves me with a dark / charming/ relational re-think than I consider it fine not great. That is how I see "blood in, blood out", Jane was supportive and Cho was overwhelmed with guilt. Enjoy your tea. I'm out of my eldest's favorite so I'm off to the tea shop.
one more n.g. thing in a episode i love, red dawn. simon's over-the-top stammer in the first half of the episode.
@km red john eps per year: my count, including eps that are somewhat about red john but don't have an actual murder or visit from the great man himself, 4 or 5 a season. could be people are sick of even just the thread, if your theory is correct. might be a few more where i'm not remembering the thread as part of the episodic story. this year already has that number halfway through the season -- further proof that they're winding things up. red john or the series. i'll be devastated by either but will live through it if we just get another season.
@km english breakfast and sometimes earl grey. boring, i know. have never had gunpowder. is it black tea?
also, as i said, many of my lesser episodes have good scenes. liked the principal scene. simon's great physical comedy.
i haven't counted but i think the number of rj scenes has been pretty consistent.
worst scenes, my opinion. the scarecrow scene and him pretending to be a skeleton. patrick is cool. not corny and needing attention. the indian/american head dress in angavite baa, same reason as skeleton. not cool enough for patrick, twee. the bass fiddle in rhapsody in red - this falls into the "i'm a little teapot" category of behavior -- aren't i cute plus aren't i deep in bergman sense? the psychic fit in pretty red balloon. over the top; wanted to smack him. patrick should be mesmerizing; not epileptic. red is the new black - the feather thing, the stereotypical photo session. that ep and days of wine and roses make my teeth hurt. this is on the writers and director. they don't have a clue - all are inept versions of some lame guy's idea of what fashion is. pick up a copy of vogue, idiots. ask a stylist. his thoughts were red thoughts - patrick's sticks and stones line. he delivers it as if it's clever. cringe.
Joining you in tea, huisclothes. I know that I'm scatterbrained when I confuse my there/their/they're because I'm typing on this dinky auto correcting thing. Organic Lapsang Souchong or Gunpowder?
...that the RJ story line is stale is the most consistent reason for viewer reduction. This season's time slot is not helping either. The Mentalist being a serial procedural makes it tough. I don't see a spin off when the RJ arc ends.
I can't say I agree with your entire lesser list, @huisclothes. I think we all have differing tastes. I don't mind episodes that are not all about Jane, though. I suspect some people do, and if any other character is given some opportunity to shine then they rank it lower. Or if they like RJ episodes they rank them higher, and if they are sick of RJ they rank them down. So I can't say that I'm embarrassed for any of them. Sure their stronger and weaker, but most episodes have a gem or two moments. While "Something's Rotten in Redmund" (4*20) was not my favorite episode of season 4, I enjoyed the principle's office scene and Jane peaking out from behind the curtain, I was touched by the Jane's change of expression from agreeing that baby Ben looked like Chairman Mao to agreeing that he was gorgeous and then his subsequent need to walk away. I imagined he continued walking while tears fell. Just my 2¢. That the biggest complaint I've read, not that I know anything, is the RJ story line
just to follow up where i broke off below with my nominations for lesser episodes.
when i ended up saying "how embarrassed" i meant how embarrassed was i for simon having to act in the episode at all. @mimi. looking at your list for season two, we are in agreement. i agree with the ones you like also. also liked red badge, his right red hand, red line, black gold and red blood. rose-colored glasses. i also loved redemption (ep 1), red bulls and a bunch of others, code red, red all over, red sky in the morning. disturbing to see how many i disliked in season 4 -- 12!!. if even I, a mentalist lover, disliked half the shows, that could account for the ratings dive if you're an actual human being. so far for me in season 5, i count 7 episodes i thought were dogs -- about half!!! wonder if i'm reflecting what the average viewer is feeling. i just upset myself. need tea.
debonair is the same word in French but had to check the meaning in the dic because I had never heard this word before. well I didn't realise it was a French word, coming from the expression de bon air. anyway..
bonaduz I thought you were swiss, so you're German! hello neighbour!
I agree that the translations arent always good but I watch the show with sub and it's not official and often sloppy so I know I can't rely on them but I got used to their accent and the overall cop vocab so I don't need them much anymore. I prefer Simon's accent though.
well will see if I can find how to send this one shot. it's not a script of how it could turn but more like a fiction if you know what I mean, just for the fun of writing. so I feel a bit shy to post it here for everyone to read also because not everyone will want to read it and don't want to overload the board with it. it's a a few pages long.
So mimi, how am I going to read the TM episode that you wrote? Is it long? Do you want to post it on this site? Oh well, just give us a short version, ok. Sorry mimi, I missed that you mentioned the debonair sign yesterday!
I agree with your epi guide (huisclothes and mimi), even though I enjoy just watching the characters and I discover little things every time that make me smile. KM and huisclothes: I have to watch 4/24 again with that debonair-thing, now that I have your explanation. Have to check out the german version as well to see exactly how they translate it. Sometimes there are little hidden meanings in the english language, that I just don't get. Oh well, you live and learn, right?
Gotta go to work. See ya all later!
lesser epi season 2: red menace, red scare, a price obove rubies, bleeding heart, blood in, blood out, aingavite baa, blood money, 18-5-4
loved epi 3 (with Lisbon being suspected of murder) 6 (Jane in prison) 8 with Bosco's death, RJ epi so of course! epi 11 at the school reunion, 13 with mashburn was fun, the last epi
HC I can relate to what you're saying regarding Jane, I was also less picky at first (although I'm a new fan), he's the one who made me fall in love with the Mentalist obviously.
will have a look at the epi you're mentioning.
my nominations for lesser episodes. some nice moments but i give them a gentleman's c. season 1: scarlet fever and a dozen red roses. the series was new and i was smitten by patrick, it was a coup de foudre, so i was less picky than i am now. season 2: scarlet letter, red menace, red scare, blood in blood out, red herring, aingavite baa. season 3: red ponies, pink chanel suit, bloodsport, blood for blood, bloodstream, like a red-headed stepchild, rhapsody in red. season 4 pretty red balloon, ring around the rosie, where in the world is carmine o'brien?, pink tops, the redshirt, red is the new black, at first blush, ruddy cheeks, pink champagne on ice, something's rotten in redmund, ruby slippers, so long and thanks for all the red snapper. bad streak season 5: not one red cent, blood feud, cherry picked, black cherry, panama red, days of wine & roses, little red corvette. i could slice this into even finer categories of badness irritating scenes, how embarrassed was
ahah Bodanuz I also noticed the debonnair sign in 4*24 atfirst I thought it was a coincidence but then I don't think so, although it's quite irrelevant to the show, I mentioned this sign yesterday!
HC I misread your line, I read machism not masochism so I agree with you on him pushing himself! definitley!
I thought the wigged organic honeydew was rather creative. But it may have been pushing at Jane's gentleman's choice of choosing Lisbon over RJ. But I do see your point as well. I'm not sure if I buy that "debonaire" was a code term being used, because of the street that I've read discussed on other sites.
@km and bonaduz. interesting. i actually took red john saying "debonair at all costs" to jane as red john's response to jane saying "how ya doing?" it always seemed weird to me as i think of debonair as suave and sophisticated which "how ya doing" isn't. but now that you've expanded on the meaning, km, i certainly think that was a jaunty way for jane to address his nemesis.
i thought he complimented jane on his ruse when he said, "well done."
You're welcome. A lot of words have alternate spellings in English, it mostly depends on where you are from: center and centre; favorite and favourite; fetus and foetus; savior and saviour to name a few. So different spellings never surprise me. Plus, I'm not the best speller myself. :-)
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