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Jane: This is Red John. Lisbon: How can you tell? Jane: Because when it's him I can feel it.
February 3rd, 2013 12:58 PM
I prefer her with black hair personally, well off topic but just saying..
so what are your fav episodes?
February 3rd, 2013 12:42 PM
Something else I always noticed about Lorelei's dye job-- her roots are showing, even though she just dyed her hair. So does that mean she's acting the siren for Red John, but there's still a tiny bit enough of her true human self to win out? Will she help Jane in the end? Fascinating to spin the web of symbolism. Perhaps I should heed the warnings against it, given here, for now! :)
February 3rd, 2013 12:33 PM
Odysseus has to sail past the sirens on the rocks. He thwarts them by having all his crew plug their ears so they can't hear and having himself tied to the mast so he can't take the ship in to them. I guess he wanted to hear their song? Anyway, the ship and crew made it past.
February 3rd, 2013 12:01 PM
what an interesting analysis, had no idea about her name, so even that has a meaning!
what struck me also is how Jane looked affected when he heard the gun shot through the phone (still 3*24), and then looked so relieved Lisbon was still alive. cute.
Ididnt know Bruno talked about Lisbon's feelings for him getting clearer, exciting, it means it can still come in the forthcoming episodes. still wonder if it's the last season!
February 3rd, 2013 11:22 AM
I agree mimi, Jane was wired and in a desperate state of mind in this episode. If you really look back at the episode eveything was really heightened. Jane and Lorelei both looking for answers on the run. When she found out Jane lied, I believe they were in the middle or beginnings of a fight. Lorelei was angry desperate and maybe willing to say anything to hurt Jane at the time. Especially after thinking she had him under her thumb. You know how fights go! If lorelei was really on the up and up, she would have never left that prison.
February 3rd, 2013 10:52 AM
I thought Red Sweater Guy was pretty interesting, too, for two reasons. 1, his deadly stare at Jane. 2, in the still shown at the link I posted RSG is the main focus of the shot, more prominent than both Carter and Jane. That's most likely just because it's a still, but very interesting. And it is rather like Where's Waldo. It's very possible it's a big fat red herring. @mimi, Ha ha, but has Jane ever shaken his hand? :-) Who knows? You're right about those empty pegs, @rationalgal. @Kate, Lorelei in mythology is a golden-haired siren who sings to sailors. Her song is so compelling, hypnotic that they turn their ships to go to her, even though the rocks where she sits destroy their ships and they go down to their deaths. Lorelei is named so, and she dyed her hair golden blonde with the dye Jane bought her at the gas station convenience store.
February 3rd, 2013 10:08 AM
Entwife, thanks for the link, had a look, not sure if the man is the same in ep 4-9, hard to tell. not sure if it means anything either, hard to say obviously. whatif they hired the same guy as an extra in both episodes? I agree that everything has a meaning somehow but not sure it has to that point.
however what struck me from the "beginning" is that Jane actually believed Lorelei when she said "I'm surprised you didn't make friends with him the minute you shook hands", I mean why would she tell him the truth? she seems upset and you can see she kind of spoke on the spur and at the same time it could be an act. I'm not sure he should believe her.
February 3rd, 2013 9:36 AM
Kate, what was listed about the movie. Someone in here mentioned it and thought it may have meant something. They really didn't really didn't break it down.
February 3rd, 2013 3:17 AM
I'm in the UK and didn't get that at all. I've since looked it up and can only find something about a rock in Germany, LOL!
On one forum, somebody actually listed all the films that were playing at the cinema in Red Sails at the beginning and worked out how they could be relevant to the show - it was impressive :)
Anyway, I'm enjoying reading all the different opinions on here, it's really interesting how we all watch the same programme and yet get different things from it.
February 3rd, 2013 3:17 AM
@Watcher - I agree with everything you've said about Jane and Lorelei - that's how I've seen it play out.
@huisclothes - I appreciate that Heller said she'd come to Jane at a low ebb, but it was a 'fake' low ebb as far as I could see - he is a mentalist after all, a master manipulator and to me that was the whole point of him leaving CBI for six months; to run the long con.
Also, Heller's said a few of things before the season started that really haven't happened or come to fruition - Lisbon and Mancini for one, she seemed keener on Kirkland, also Lisbon not 'discovering' feelings for Jane but 'realising' them (apart from her jealousy in the first episode, that's not really developed either) - so I think alot of it was just hype to get people interested to watch the new season.
As for the sybolism stuff, even Lorelei I didn't get - is the story/name more prevalent in the US? I'm in the UK and didn't get that at all. I've since looked it up and can only find something abo
February 3rd, 2013 1:25 AM
@rationgal and entwife looked at a youtube tutorial about red sweater guy. have a feeling he is an extra they put in a red sweater just to screw with people who noticed him. if he took individual direction then they had to upgrade him and pay him more. i bet he was directed and in ensuing scenes was told to mill around with the other extras. would have been funny if they dressed fifty guys in red sweaters and had them cavort through the mall. actually wonderful to see a bit of that scene again to look at how beautiful and intense simon is. the way he sits up so straight in his seat opposite bradley whitford.
February 3rd, 2013 12:24 AM
Thank's KM, the more the better! I love to learn as much as possible in english, so I can keep up with all you guys here!
February 2nd, 2013 11:19 PM
@ bonaduz,
Yes. Indie is an independent film with a small budget, small studio, artist driven, little marketing... usually shown at film festivals. Indie films stand on their own merit. Some like "Silver Lining Playbook" and "Beasts of the Southern Wild" garnish Oscar, SAG, et cetera attention in addition to nominations for The Independent Spirit Awards. I hope this is not more than you wanted to know.
February 2nd, 2013 10:30 PM
Continued. The "rule" is you never pound a peg in a post without later hanging something on it. We have had innumerable plot pegs pounded in posts in The Mentalist and how many show any signs of something eventually being hung on them? Very few. It's the bottom line commercial need that creates this problem.
February 2nd, 2013 10:28 PM
I checked out Entwife's link to that "Red Sweater John" theory. Interesting. Way back, just after the Season 3 finale, I was posting on a site where someone suggested the guy in red was the real Red John, so he WAS noticed. Well, he was big and a red shirt stands out. An extra trying to be noticed? With lots of extras just milling around, directors tend to give them general move-like-you-feel-like-moving directions. (Too specific and they all move the same way.) But then, the guy was about the size of Mashburn. I'm just not convinced that everything the writers do has a meaning. It might at the time but as the series develops and they never know when it might get canceled, I'm sure a lot of those "meanings" have been discarded. They have to be. No way can this show wind up with every meaningful action made clear to the audience. And if there is no meaning for the audience, there is no meaning at all. It's different from writing a story for a book. The "rule" is you never pound a peg in
February 2nd, 2013 10:16 PM
@huisclothes and @KM: what does "indie" mean? Independent?
February 2nd, 2013 8:31 PM
Indeed Entwife! But it is fun. We have a director/screenplay writer friend (mostly indie, one big studio production) who has let me read scripts in the past and be in on which actor they are seeking for the part. And, all this musing is kind of an extension for me.
February 2nd, 2013 8:08 PM
Glad you enjoyed it KM, I thought it very interesting that the commenter seems to have some tv or film experience and says that every single thing that is put into a show is there for a reason, not just to fill time. I'm sure no show is 100% at that but it makes time spent on analysis not feel quite so wasted lol!
February 2nd, 2013 7:51 PM
Thank you, @ Entwife. Nice read... The Tennyson reference is cool. I read the Bertram is supposed to be back.
February 2nd, 2013 7:17 PM
@huisclothes. Thanks for your opinion as someone who knows more.. I thought Baker's Longines ad about equal with Kate Winslet's from the lovely famous person perspective. The ANZ ads were odd especially when viewing them in Australia. (I also thought Toni Collette's Commonwealth Bank ad odd too.) The Samsung commercial were better than the ANZ. So thanks again.
And, I imagine that most actresses, especially 40+, can relate to Mr. Baker's situation. "Breath" would be nice and I'm trying to imagine him as Sando the veteran big wave surfer or Pikelet the narrator and main character.
February 2nd, 2013 5:30 PM
google martin scorsese's the key to reserva. (with a young simon) and do see the norwegian ad with clooney. they're like little movies. something like that could make him top of mind for great roles. he needs to act in a :30-:60 version of the type of role he'd like to play. just my opinion.
February 2nd, 2013 5:04 PM
I like the Longines ads. I have no idea how a creative advertising type would judge them so I'll accept huisclothes' opinion on that, but as a consumer I can say that they are good. I think they project the right image. And I like the slogan - elegance is an attitude. I guess advertising types and consumers just judge these things differently. I don't really think he needs to worry unless he chooses to do a cheap beer commercial or a toilet paper ad. As long as he sticks to luxury brands and professional or high end consumer companies he should be fine from an image point of view. Just my opinion.
February 2nd, 2013 4:45 PM
@mimi probably right. i'm projecting my own anxiety about losing patrick onto simon baker.
money is a wonderful thing. but he's very ambitious. i know how hollywood thinks - he's a tv person and a pretty boy. a pretty boy who's 43. he kind of missed his ryan gosling stage and now he has lots of young actors coming up behind him. and movie people want to reach a younger demographic. so he has to compete with actors (really famous ones his age for fewer and fewer roles. he's squeezed and the clock is ticking. his best chance is an offbeat (probably indie) film that creates a sensation. after that, film people will come running-every one of them patting himself on the back for always knowing that guy was destined for greatness. he's trying to get backing to direct and star in breath. hope it happens soon.
hope it works. sounds like the perfect project.
February 2nd, 2013 4:28 PM
re: simon and advertising. longine ads are innocuous. the photos might promote his leading man image though i suspect they'll just reinforce what they already think in france. trust me, the tagline "elegance is an attitude" will secure no creative person a job with one of the best ad agencies anywhere in the world. i know that everyone on the the planet thinks they can create or judge ads. 2% of ads are creatively excellent (there's a Cannes for ads)-the same percentage as movies, books, tv. it can be very lucrative indeed. several million for a day's work-not unusual. but he is selling his persona and any client must give him more than money for that. a crummy ad may sell their product but it could hurt him. he wouldn't appear in some hack tv show. bad for his career. google george clooney's tv spot for a scandinavian insurance co. charming, funny, only he makes sense in the role -simon deserves an ad as good as he is. show.
February 2nd, 2013 1:35 PM
@ huisclothes I did not think the latest Longines ad was that terrible. And, I can't say that I would expect to hear "Elegance is an attitude" or some paraphrase of it from a US citizen. I can easily imagine a paraphrase of it from an Aussie as an answer. Especially a surfie. But I'm not in the buissness.
One of things I admire about him, besides his laugh lines, is that he appears unwilling to share who Simon Baker really is with the world.