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I'll be damned! I think we just found the real proof about how Jane feels about Lisbon!
Again I agree KM!
Entwife, I was unable to figure that out. But it sure fits.
Theone about Lisbon and her cross is in the same review on pg.1.
@ Anitraward 1
That is the "Charlotte" side, but as long as RJ remains he comes across, to me, as Alex Clare "Too Close". He wants to be emotionally unavailable to protect himself from every descending into madness and grief. He may be heading their again, with or without Lorelei's help, and that might be his reckoning. I've kind of seen Lisbon's cross as a measurement of Jane's ability to separate himself from the decent into RJ's world. The bigger it grows the more of a hold life, Lisbon, the team has on him to move on or the louder "Charlotte" becomes in his mind.
@anitraward1 Thought I'd add the symbolism of gnomes. Gnomes symbolize honesty, hard work, and integrity. They are suppose to bring good luck to the gardens they inhabit. If garden refers to a wife or lover and Charlotte says Lisbon is suitable for Jane, then perhaps it's an omen of good luck for the relationship. Some more gnome tidbits: Gnomes are symbols of the Earth. They encourage stability, grounding and offer a rooting quality to our experience. They are not without their wiles. A certain levity comes from an innate liveliness they imbue. They love their Mother (Earth), and are in-turn, loved back by her. In fact, legend indicates they are dastardly in conniving tricks on those who would fool with their "Mother."
@anitraward1 I just found your comments on Devil's Cherry symbology in the Red Sails comments, very interesting indeed!
Jane reminds me of the Kelly Clarkson song, The Dark Side.
I agree KM.
Entwife, I listed the meanings in the Red Sails review, page 3.
Jane is ugly and beautiful. When he is acting ugly he can be really ugly. He accepted being told he was sadistic via Lisbon from the widow he tricked. Agreed with it. On Erica's video he said that it was important that the woman who loved him knew the ugly and loved him anyway. Hs wife knew the ugly. Lisbon has always seen it and I think that is what propels a significant part of their relationship. She's the woman who was brutalized by a man she loved (her father) and can both see the devastating effect of losing the one loved (her dad decent in alcoholism and child abuse after her mum died) and the good man being crushed within the ugly. She's scared for him, compelled to help save him, that is why she agreed to work with him in the first place.
You could be right KM but Cho still bugs me!
Kate, I try to view Jane as a whole character, good and bad I still like him!
@ Anitraward, I just assumed that Cho was making a guess at the number of years it had been there, because of how the statements falls within the conversation with Grace. Putting together the possible age of the face was not fully pieced until the priest said he saw it on his return visit. Which said it was not on the barn for the years he ran the farm, it appeared while Lester was running it. Allowing them to point the year 1988.
I don't think there is a clue there. Just Cho's (and possibly Jane's, et cetera) approximation made by the extent of weathering.
What I should have said was the meanings were all relevant to the series.
@anitraward1 - "If Jane could have sex with her, he is that cold. That's the dark side of Jane viewer's don't want to look at. Most viewer's see him as cute and cuddley and he is........BUT!.......If you keep viewing him with your eyes wide shut you will miss alot. Don't mistake Jane for the sexy Simon Baker!"
I completely agree with you here!!
@mimi - I agree that Jane did look shocked but to me that was all part of the act. If he didn't get her to believe him then she wouldn't go back to RJ.
Shame he gave it away when he automatically refused to kill Lisbon. That was the mistake that let RJ know he wasn't really ready.
Now you're starting to see what I saw a long time ago!
I looked up the meanings of what Jane hallucinated and they all had meanings. I really would like for you to go back and take a look to get a really good idea of what I'm talking about. You did what I did and you found a real undisputable clue!
Cho said something in the Red Barn that bothered me. When he was talking about the smiley face he said it had been there for 15 to 20 years. Then the next thing he said was that the coroner said the bodies had been there for 25 years. Why would he specifically say that instead of saying that it had been there for 25 years?
@antitraward1 I can't remember back that far, what was your clue from Devil's Cherry, if you don't mind summing it up a little.
As for Lorelei, as far as I'm concerned-- done, and done!
Yes. Calling someone a weasel is the same as calling them a liar, a cheat, a deceiver!! Lorelei, the weasel siren!
THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING ALL ALONG! That the writer's were leaving active clues and Baker said in a interview that the viewer's were going to have to earn the right to knoe who Red John was. There are probably alot of clues that were missed. I found the one in the Devil's Cherry!
Jane has also been very, very, very laid back in the last few episodes. Almost showing no emotion at all. I see a Jane breakdown coming! This must be the calm before the storm!
OMG! I just really looked at the spelling for Lorelei's last name, Martens, for the first time. A marten is actually an animal, a variety of weasel!!! It actually had value for its fur at one time, being compared to sable. Weasels are considered cunning, persistent, vicious, destructive, sly, often considered bad luck or a bad omen. Certainly calling someone a weasel in not a compliment! It's a clue! :)
If Jane could have sex with her, he is that cold. That's the dark side of Jane viewer's don't want to look at. Most viewer's see him as cute and cuddley and he is........BUT!.......If you keep viewing him with your eyes wide shut you will miss alot. Don't mistake Jane for the sexy Simon Baker!
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