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Van Pelt's real life pregnancy seems to have put a hitch in the plot the writers were developing that involved her. From what I could see of her from the hide-her-pregnancy camera angles, Amanda Righetti gained quite a bit of weight through her pregnancy. That limits her for the season because you can't have a character looking slim and trim, then suddenly walking in 50 pounds heavier. It will take time to work that off. Meanwhile there goes the plot angle the series was counting on. Of course they have so many plot angles developed and dropped I suppose they can just pick up the one that fits best. It would be good if it involves more of Riggsby and Cho. As for the priest, I didn't believe a word he said about being unaware of what the smiley face meant. So he was out of the country? A major serial killer with an MO like Red John makes international news and when it's happening in your country you pay attention. He's lying; therefore he's involved somehow.
The other side to this is that once Jane sees Red John he may feel he is not worth the trouble of killing because he has been exposed. What's worse then dying? Being left alive after someone pulls back the curtain and shows the world that you are a coward that's been hiding in the dark murdering women. It will be like leaving him to the crows!
Something else I noticed about Jane. He has a tell when it comes to Red John. He gets very skiddish and uneasy. He had it when he was captured by the film students. He gets it when someone is killed and he is the first one on the scene to see the Red John symbol. He was the same way in the barn and he acted the same way by the priest. Red John seems to absolutely frighten him but like a moth to a flame he seems compelled to persue him. Part of the persuit may be to get rid of his fear of Red John. He has never seen him personified. So probably in his mind it's like chasing the devil. I think in Jane's mind he has to win or die trying. When Jane can finally see Red John's face and kill him, I think he will be at peace with himself and ready to move on.
@anitraward1 yeah. something's going on with van pelt and something's going on with the priest. though if amanda righetti is taking maternity leave which is three months and this is the end of the series (please no), don't think we'll see much if any of her. so maybe she does have to go to visualize or be captured by visualize. we don't see her but she's an important plot point. she performed that scene with the priest very well. very seamless and smooth and creepy.
I think Van Pelt will be approached by Visualize. That preist seemed to almost be intrigued that she was espousing the Visual rhetoric. When Jane asked the priest if he had ever seen the symbol anywhere else, the priest looked down and then away to his left. Jane knew he was lying. The priest made Jane uneasy.
Just reviewed the episode. It seems that they did not give a cause of death for the two men. Rewatching the video it shows the victims and it shows that the first one could have been shot in the neck and the other shot in the top of the head. The one it pans to the left on it shows more definitive that he was shot in the head. The other possibly cut throat.
But it is interesting that this case ended without a cause of death for the other two...but it is probably assumed that Bradovich in a drug filled rage killed the other two..case closed as far as the CBI is concerned. True that she said that she felt that she was being watched, maybe Lisbon and Jane are holding that information close to their chest and presuming that RJ was in the area.
Oh and btw there's 0%, zero, that Jane's family is still alive. Bruno himself said that he would never make Red John Jane himself as that's a total cop out. Doing this would be the same thing basically, just a horrible cheap cop out.
Anybody know if there's any chance they get Van Pelt more involved in the plot during the stretch run? She's been mostly an afterthought because of her pregnancy and basically this show has become a two person gig with Lisbon and Jane, we haven't seen any real development or intrigue from the others. Van Pelt's pregnancy has stunted the role and development of Cho, Rigsby and perhaps others in other words. Here's hoping they integrate the other characters into the show, Van Pelt interviewing the Priest at the very least was a start, as was Rigsby throwing the surprise birthday party. Let's see if they can build off that.
It's highly unlikely that Jane's family is still alive. 1. Their murder made Jane an ongoing newsworthy person. 2. The police certainly knew they were murdered. 3. Jane spent a year being suicidal in a mental institution. 4. His obsession with revenge and emotional pain are deep deep deep, even to having sex with an RJ minion (lorelei) thus symbolically cheating on his wife, then telling Lisbon he would ask Lorelei to marry him if it got him closer to Red John. Nope, they're dead and Jane couldn't bear to see the date on their tombstones. Too painfully final. He seems to have adopted something of Jungian philosophy (he was shown reading the book) and the idea that all humanity is connected by a universal consciousness. So, even tho he's an atheist he threw that flower in the ocean to feel something of that connectedness, to give himself some measure of comfort. The guy is really suffering beneath the surface - a clown with a broken heart. That's why I so hope he gets a happy ending.
Thank you for your opinion. Following captioning diverts my ability to take in the full scene, especially with the movement of the caption boxes.
Cont. I don't think it is likely. But it would allow both the other characters (especially Lisbon and the team) and the audience to not feel betrayed. Jane would still be worthy of compassion (and forgiveness for not being truthful), and we could allow him the grief of feeling that his family has been murdered because the world each was has been lost to him. A truly sad image, but realistic nonetheless, comes to mind of Jane tenderly brushing their hair and talking to them. Lonely and depressing.
I agree with you both! I think that indeed the subconsious can be powerful and dictate people's behaviour. their wounds attracted them to one another. same with lisbon and jane, although their union would be much more positive. Lorelei cant bring him anything positive at all, we know that.
I dont want him with Lorelei, just want a bit of frisson again lol Jane deserves it.
we will see her again for three episodes, I can't wait, god now three weeks before the next epi, it's way too long!!
re lorelei, the siren. i think jane's wary of her. i think he feels tenderness for her. i think he's attracted to her. i think he'd like to use her. i think he will use her and perhaps let something bad happen to her. and i think he'll feel awful about it.
in the clear dawn after red john is dispatched, the fate of poor lorelei may be a cloud hanging over jane. give the ending a touch of bitterness to go with the sweet. jane will have killed red john but had to sacrifice someone he had a connection with.
then he'll move forward with life and lisbon.
My first thought to the idea of Jane's family still being alive was not positive. The only scenario that I came up with, which is a reach, is that Red John in his attempt to punish Jane (and possible hurried actions) left him trusting that they would completely bleed out, but failed to slash deep enough to fully severe arteriol blood flow did not kill them physically and left them both brain dead due to loss of oxygen. The essential beautiful human aspects of them are gone and only shells remain. Depressing thought. But it would explain Jane's often not being present at the CBI and why there are no dates on their headstones... Jane still needing to avenge them before he can let their bodies follow their spirits. Cont.
Lorelei is the siren, calling Patrick to his destruction on the rocks of her shoal. I don't think he'll go. And if he tries to, through feelings of hopelessness, guilt, low self worth, Lisbon will save him, redeem him. That's my belief and certainly my hope! Romantic me. It would be great and classic drama if done just so.
Cont-- He can't get that from Lorelei. She leads only to death and RJ. Lisbon is his golden ticket to a happy life.
@mimi as kirkland would say, it's complicated. she is the first woman he's been intimate with since his wife died. patrick is a serious and soulful man. that's significant for him.
also, on some level, i think their subconscious minds cry out to each other. if you will, the point on his head fits into the hole in hers. they're both wounded lost creatures. doesn't mean they're connected by anything positive but they recognize themselves in each other.
@Mimi I think Patrick is terrified of Lorelei and, especially in Red Sails, on his guard constantly not to anger her in case she lashes out, hurting or even killing him. He protects her and even releases her from his custody in order to maximize his chances that she will lead him to RJ. Although he did fall peacefully asleep in front of the fire on the beach, so maybe I'm overrating his fear of her. I think he's got an attraction to her that helps him do what he must to create what relationship/closeness he can with her, to help on his hunt for RJ. And it has its benefits in sex. Since that's the currency she offered from Red John, that's the currency he has the best chance of keeping his connection with her. In terms of them getting together, I can't see it. It's like being bonded to a poisonous snake or a scorpion and Patrick would be the first to tell us that people are true to their nature. I think Jane is good. I think he wants peace in his life, real love. He can't get that from
That's the way I remember it, @KM @Joe. One bullet shot from Lester's gun, fired on the pig.
ahhhhh I was wondering! I thought ?? does he mean coup de grace? didn't here the "s" at the end either and so thought it was an english word somehow..
I love how he says "voilà", so cute!!
I prefer his original accent, I could hear him talk for hours and his voice that brokes every now and then is just so sexy!
so what does he feel for Lorelei? is it just about sex?
@mimi in red scare, he says "coup de grace" but pronounces it "coup de gras." that mad me crazy. not simon's fault. but the writers/directors should have picked that up.
@kate agree that jane and lisbon getting together is not corny. must be done surprisingly yet believably. the audience is satisfied. no one cries foul.
i did feel that when lorelei kissed him outside the cabin, you saw heat in his eyes. (i've seen simon with this look in other roles and it's usually right before he rips someone's blouse off).
interesting that the cabin was dominated by that big white fluffy bed. like a third character in the room. a perfect visualization of the subtext of all their scenes together. had they actually been safe there, i think they would have shared it that night.
ahah isnt it adorable how he says that? a little frisson, I speak French so it's funny to hear him say a french word!
yeah it was nice to see him kiss a woman for once, dont we adore that as a simon fan!
@mimi as i said, i agree about jane having sex again with lorelei. let patrick have a little pleasure. let us get another "frisson" as simon puts it. he and lisbon will get together in the end.
re: idea of jane's family still being alive OR idea that all this was just an hallucination. been done many times in the history of books, plays, movies and tv. since the early sixteenth century, this has resulted in the writer's head being carried on a pike through the city gates. not gonna happen.
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