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I don't like Kristina either, never understood why Jane was interested in her, she seemed to be everything he detests, and although I'm sure he wanted to believe her message about his daughter's death, she was deliberately made such good news as painful as possible. Yet he still pursued her. Go figure. Turning her into a dead person was sheer writing genius, ha! They got her back good!
rationalgal, Very interesting info from that interview you describe, Bruno saying Lisbon and Jane get together at the end of this season. Something to look forward to, if he hasn't changed his mind. :( huisclothes, You are so right about Lisbon needing to realize she'll never find anyone as special as Jane. Interesting, anitraward1, that you think Jane was testing Lisbon when he asked if she was in love, maybe in fear that she had moved past him and found love without him. But he still sounded detached when he said how she deserves to find it (indicating without him).
anitraward1, you got me snotting my corn flakes out my nose lol! I haven't read the subsequent posts yet, but I see you totally get my puzzlement about Jane's extended bigfoot shot. The only thing I can think is it's almost maybe a subliminal plant, foreshadowing? to jolt viewers from our slumber of despair that anything real in that realm will ever happen. And then maybe it's a total misread. But why else so much time to this close up? *snicker* Red herring? If so, it's a cruel tease.
know what bugs me? the fact that no tv show depicts the fashion or the modeling business except in the cheesiest ways. the photographers are always braying in unlikeable accents and the pictures they're taking and the clothes they show and the models who wear them -- one's douchier than the next. did you see what charlie was wearing. did you look at her shoes. nothing's cooler than the way offduty models dress. there are great designers and models and clothes in los angeles so there's no excuse for them looking so laughable. the show last year with the fashion crowd was just as embarrassing.
hello anitraward1. agree jane and lisbon should not get together until the very end. it would be great if they killed red john and then without a word, went to her place and ripped each other's clothes. so primal. so lizard brain. then they'd have to sort it all out the next morning. the team would freak out. "oh no, mommy and daddy are doing it!"
shudder. i feel like even talking about the end is tempting the evil eye.
so glad you don't like kristina. i so didn't buy that patrick would give a rat's ass about her. so completely contrived by the writers and so unmerited by the character. she deliberately traumatized him with her "your wife and i are buddies" act, then tried to capitalize on their relationship by going on the air to show play the superior psychic, the empathic one who turned red john into a lamb eating from her hand. hope she stays catatonic.
NOW, I HAVE TO GO GET MORE M&M'S AND POPCORN!
Continued-Huisclothes, you are so right about the Jane/Lisbon relationship. What they have been through does mean alot. I can totally see them together now. But, not until the very end! Lisbon would get into a lot of trouble dating a subordinate. In the Crimson Hat why did Jane hold Lisbon's had the way that he did? Did he answer the question she asked him in the warehouse. Jane did say in another episode while he was talking to someone, how could you help not loving someone like Lisbon. Libon was alright with Jane until he kissed Lorelei. That's when she said I'm not your girlfriend. The kiss pissed her off. She could have said I'm not one of your cons.
Huiscolthes, When Jane asked Lisbon if was she in love, he was being a busy body and nosey. He was guessing at why she had the gleam in her eye and she was being quite dismissive to him. Jane's second guess was the Volker case. If everybody deserves love that would include him. Now he knows he still has a chance with her. All the encounters with others won't mean anything to either one of them if they get together in the end. You are so right about K. Frye, she really trashed Jane. I think when Jane cried that was the first time he really grieved his family. But don't you think it's interesting that the same thing she used to rip Jane open with is the same thing Red John took from her. It's poetic justice! K. Frye was a jerk! Especially when Jane told her that she dressed up nicely and she replied you look the same! Yuck!
Rationalgal,Jane does not have a lot of women to choose from. The only women he is around are the criminals he catches and women who are connected or have become connected with the CBI. What interesting is that he manages to stay on top of the criminal gene pool when it comes to his encounters with these women. Jane does show that he likes very intelligent, beautiful women. He seems to be sucked in by them but not enough to make a commitment to any of them. I think he has put his relationships on the back burner until he gets Red John. He is a man and these very intelligent man eating women know how to get around him sometimes but not for long. He is needy and gets tempted or involved from time to time. He did say he wanted a woman that would accept all of him. He reminds me of the song the Darkside by Kelly Clarkson.
TB and anitraward1. no i don't think lisbon would be a romantic possibility for patrick if he hadn't fallen into her arms like a wounded bird. patrick could have anyone. she's never gonna have another shot at someone as special as he is. she has to realize it. she's decent, kind and pretty and he feels safe with her, trusts her. don't forget she gave him back his self-respect when she recruited him to use his psychic tricks to catch criminals. and she's lived with him through the long hellish pursuit of red john. that counts for a lot.
Continued: Lisbon sees Jane as a distraught child in need of protection - related to her protective behavior toward her "near feral" brothers in dealing with her abusive drunken father. So we see where both of them are coming from, which explains the lack of sexual attraction between two of the best looking people on Earth. No doubt that will change as the RJ situation resolves itself. In the Paley Center cast interview video I have, Simon Baker was rejecting the notion of Jane and Lisbon getting together because that would mean the end of the show. The discussion wound up with Bruno Heller saying quietly that they would get together "at the end of season 5." The video was made at the end of season 1, so thing could have changed.
I love the Patrick Jane character for its 3D complexity! He is a flawed man with some innate opposition to exploiting vulnerable people. Otherwise he cleraly loved his traveling carnival life. It's the only family he has known, so he relates to anything that reminds him of it - even ethically compromised women - and is leary of rule followers. He has shown pure joy when exposed to that life again (jumping into the arms of that big guy in the ep with Jane's brother in law, and watching his old-time magician firend perform in the casino robbery ep). Jane is still a con artist. Despite the improvements his wife made on him, he still stuck with doing psychic ripoffs. I notice that Jane's grief seems mostly related to the death of his daughter - hardly any to his wife. He is intensely protective of young girls, not so much young women. He seems to see Lisbon as a mother figure (he apparently never knew his own mother) and perhaps saw his wife that way too. Lisbon sees Jane as a distraught c
Entwife, I think Lisbon didn't respond to Jane because she was very preoccupied and focused with the Volker case. She really didn't care what he was saying, she was on a mission and wanted to do it her way. Jane does the same thing to Lisbon when he is persuing Red John or on Red John leads.He shuts her out and she did the same thing to him. You are right about the shoes, the first thing I though was why are they showing his big ugly shoes like that. I know there are the connotations about what big feet mean but what's the point in that, he's not in a relationship. If that was the reason and they don't go anywhere with, it would be more self serving then anything else. Ok, so, Jane has some big junk, now what?
Wow!I ate my popcorn and m&m's while reading all your comments! TB, I thought your comment about whether Jane would be interested in Lisbon if she was not in charge of the Red John files was very astute. That is a question I would like to have the answer as well. If Red John had not killed Jane's family he would not have ever met Lisbon. Jane has a carney background and they hate and don't trust the police. Maybe because Jane worked with the police he found that idea not to be true. Who knows?
@watcher. re: could patrick choose an aggressive good girl? i think once the red john thing is resolved, patrick will choose a good girl, aggressive or not. frankly, why women don't fall down in a faint the moment he enters a room strikes me as the least realistic thing about the show. to have someone that good-looking walking around and have no one in five years acknowledge it - except for adrian jonavich in ladies in red and the producer of the news in if it bleeds it leads (and that included lisbon) - is thoroughly nuts.
hi watcher. as i think about it, there's a thread running through patrick's responses to bad girls. kristina made patrick cry when she claimed to have contact with his dead wife. he was vulnerable to her and when hightower tried to matchmake, he made a foray into love. boy, would he have gotten a wrong number. erica got him to confess his yearning for love. once again, he was vulnerable. she'd hit a nerve, and we saw his first kiss. purely sexual and almost taking her up on a dare. lorelei caught him at a low ebb - beaten, broke, and lonely. he was vulnerable and took the comfort she offered. it turned out to be a terrible violation. as dr. linus wagner said in the pilot, you protect your core self ferociously. when someone gets through patrick's defenses, usually by causing him pain, he gives in. i guess, it takes a bad girl to purposely inflict pain on a hurting man.
Lorelei came to his motel uninvited and made the first move. Based on what he has said about his wife (she wanted out of the carnie life because she didn't like how they viewed people as marks, she wanted him to quit the pyschic business)she seems like a "nice girl". Maybe Jane just has always preferred women who pursue him, or maybe it is just since his wife's death (due to grief, guilt, fear, whatever.)
Maybe if a "nice girl" aggressively pursued him, he would choose that over a "bad girl"? What do you think?
Huisclothes (and Rationalgal)- you raise an interesting point. I had also noticed Jane seems to be attracted to "bad girls". But then I wondered if their bad morals /criminal ways are not the real reason he is attracted to them. What if, instead, it is that they are very sexually aggressive and willing to be the one to chase him? Jane seems rather passive when it comes to sex (I have no idea how he was with his wife - I am only talking of what we have seen on the show). Other when he was in his fugue state (and we can't rely on that), every woman that he has shown any interest at all in has very clearly and strongly come on to him first.
Kristina made obvious sexual references (even Hightower noticed she was attracted to Jane), and even then he didn't ask her out until Hightower pushed him. Erica came on very, very strong and tried her best to convince him that he was attracted to her(and it still took her 2 episodes just to get a kiss). Lorelei came to his motel uninvited a
to build on the idea that jane is excited by morally tarnished women, maybe jane's wife was a bit of a no-goodnik? the assumption is she was saintly - someone better than jane - but what if the marriage was on the rocks, or she was having an affair - or jane was? that would be a kick in the head.
as i mentioned before, i hated jane hoping lisbon was in love. what a creepy thing to say to anyone, let alone lisbon. i also found it dismaying that she had no response. considering the feelings for jane that she's been telegraphing since the end of last season, that was just plain weird. but as i've said, i don't think this writer was the swiftest. jane at least was consistent. he's been warning her all season that she may not have him around. also, i agree that his compliments about good police work were annoying. i hope that's a set-up for something that's worth the ickiness.
@rationalgal. i love your thinking about jane being attracted to morally flawed women. he does seem to have been turned on by them. though they've all come after him with ulterior motives. he meets not-nice women in his job. to that list, i'd add the con woman in miss red. also, to pile more opprobrium on the pompous, self-aggrandizing kristina - she admitted she slept with her dead client's sleazebag of an ex-boyfriend saying "he was a good time." what a low life. i could deal with anyone coming back but her.
i do think a reformed lorelei could be a good match for jane. she's smart. she's sexy. her mind is a lot more flexible than lisbon's. but if only for my mental health, lisbon must get him. i can't imagine re-watching the series knowing that they never at least sleep together. hope bruno won't condemn me to such a malevolent universe.
When Jane is patronizing, Lisbon usually knocks him down a peg or two, but not in this episode. She had no reaction, positive or negative. I like it when she takes a chunk out of him for his inflated antics. I didn't like the "hope you're in love" statement either. Even more dismay that Lisbon had NO reaction, no smile, no irritation or hurt, nothing. It makes me wonder not only about Jane's feelings for her, but hers for him, too. And then they throw in the extended bigfoot shot. Is that some kind of quiet signal to the viewer of untapped sexuality, the threshold of an awakening? Sometimes this show drives me crazy! :-)
The writers have no respect for anyone other then Jane. He makes the others come off as keystone cops....not able to solve even the simpliest cases without Jane. Yes, I know the series is about Jane and he is the star, but they should find a way to give the COPS some intelligence and ablity to bring in the bad guys.
Didn't like Janes "good police" work to Lisbon either. It came off as if he was mocking her....at least to me. Also hated.....hope you were in love..statement too. Sometimes, I have no idea how he feels about her. I know he likes her as a friend (maybe more) but would he if she was not in charge of the Red John case?
Watched this episode again last night. It's really kind of all over the place. I am so suspicious of Jane praising Lisbon on her police work, seemed to go out of his way to make it obvious and big, three times I think, he's never done that before. She doesn't need it and really didn't react to it. It was almost like someone praising a toddler. Just felt off and that always makes me look for something deeper going on. And speaking of big, what was that close up of Jane's feet walking into the dorm room. Why did the camera linger so long as he took a couple of steps and stood in the room? Just to show us how big his feet are? Or are we supposed to notice something about his shoes? What?
Jane wanted to help Lisbon and he did not want her to think he thought she was incapable of catching volker. So he laid back and waited for her to ask him. Jane knew already that Lisbon would not get Volker walking that straight law line. Also he could not have such a intimate conversation with her about it because she is still his boss. Jane would also not run the risk of insulting her intelligence. But now that Lisbon has asked, Jane will not get off this guy until Lisbon is satisfied. The only possible thing I see happening is the FBI or Homeland Security will step in and take him from them. Volker has lots of people in his pocket. Last resort for Jane would be to use stiles or Red John to get Volker. This is going to be good, I'm gonna go get my popcorn and m&m's right now!
Rationalgal if Lisbon was able to get Volker she would have done it already. She may or may not get involved with Jane's street tactics. She may just turn her head the other way. Jane owes Lisbon and he will jump at a chance to help her. As shown in the promo, Jane put his hands on volker. Jane never puts his hands on anybody in an aggressive manner unless he or something he cares about is threatened. Yes, I know he hit the guy in the head with a shevel on Red Rover, Red Rover. He needed to get fired and look crazy. If you remember right, Jane had to get Lisbon's help I'm the Crimson Hat.
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