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Me-remember when I posted that within the posts we could probably find the answers we were looking for? Well after re-reading your post I found something interesting! You questioned why Jane was still wearing his wedding ring after ten years. Well interesting that you mentioned that! Now check this out. Why is Jane's father stiil wearing his wedding ring? I believe that both of the rings are identical, a single gold band. Now I think this is significant, like Lisbon's cross. But why? It does show that Jane and his father are the same as far as the rings are concerned. Why would they show Jane's father with a ring at all if it did not mean something. The ring says there was a women and now there is not and Jane's says the same thing.
hi waywardone (nice name). you're rolling around on the floor at three in the morning? you sound like our kind of person.. llove to hear any thoughts or comments you have.
well! you guys have me rolling on the floor at 3 in the morning. "i like patrick, he's only killed two people and he's blond with a droopy eyes and wide duck mouth."
I swear my organs have been hanging on the outside since page 1 of this whole discussion. After all this, I only hope that the writers will find this discussion and hire some of you!
@watcher excellent. would love to see mashburn again. redline was one of my favorite non-red john episodes.
@watcher. this is great. i love the fact that you wouldn't mind that guy that you like was a serial killer. shows you how insane our little world here has become. huisclothes: "i like patrick, he's only killed two people and he's blond with a droopy eyes and wide duck mouth." watcher: "i like mashburn, who knows who he killed but he's tall and dark and a lot of fun." you know, i'm horsing around, right?
@huisclothes, I wouldn't mind it being Mashburn. For the record, I don't believe Mashburn is Red John. However, if he was at least that would mean we get another Mashburn episode or two. I just love that guy! I know it is purely a matter of taste and you clearly disagree, but I would pick Mashburn over Jane any day!
@b&w&r. hope it's not mashburn. i would feel cheated. though he and brett stiles seem to be the only ones they've dealt with who seem to have the get up and go to be red john. them and tommy volker who's too damn needy.
how about cho? not that i think it's him but wouldn't that just screw with the laws of physics and make your body turn inside out so your organs were just hanging there?
Really enjoyed that article, KM, thanks for posting it. Gives me hope of season six and makes me think yeah, maybe they are holding back the promo because they're making some changes due to getting another season.
@b.w&r.... That is a quote from au.itimes. I thought the anagram that someone came up with fun. I too get an odd vibe from Ardiles.
@rationalgal: Mashburn is a popular one. It was interesting Jane had him in his book. The thing is, he's too charming, too bubbly, outgoing, eloquent, talkative, you name the adjective, for me. Plus that would be SO EASY AND OBVIOUS. Really, the first person who has a real liveliness and enjoys being a murder suspect, that's who your gonna make Red John? For something more specific, remember what Masburn told Jane back in season 2 "if I did murder someone, I would make the body vanish, just like that. I wouldn't leave it out there". He's not the type who would take pleasure out of cutting people, the process of death, and leaving them out there. He's far too clean, far too much of a pretty boy for that style. Also, he hasn't been on the show since 2010, the show is asking readers to connect the lines from along time ago if they want him in the plot. But he is quite interesting isnt he?
Mashburn also has a past that includes a very deep betrayal and heartbreak over a woman and since then has treated them as throwaways, possibly triggering a latent serial killer tendency. But he doesn't treat Lisbon like that he really seems genuinely fond of her, even in love perhaps. Jane saw their mutual attraction and encouraged it. Why? Perhaps because he too saw the similarities and knowing his own future was bleak (most likely death or prison) wanted to set Lisbon up to be happy with the next best thing.
The Ellen show had an interesting clip of the next episode. Jane is squeezing carefully out of his attic room, barely opening it. Lisbon is there. Jane squeezes back in, then out and we see the door now has a new large lock. Jane padlocks it, careful not to let Lisbon see what's in his room, and walks away with Lisbon looking mystified. So what's Jane up to? Who or what is he hiding and why?
Oh my! The plot thickens to where we can hardly stir it any more. The tie-in with Jane's father is interesting, but he cannot be Red John. RJ has a huge enterprise going, with minions who will kill and die for him. No one will kill and die for Jane's father. And he doesn't have the smarts to build the RJ enterprise. He could, however, be allied with Visualize as a way to mess with Jane, working as a link between Stiles and RJ, with Stiles not knowing exactly who RJ is, but able to communicate with him indirectly. So who among the suspects is most like Jane? In the Mashburn episodes, his and Jane's similarity was commented on and was probably why Lisbon was attracted to him enough to for a one night stand. He has all the charisma, smarts, wealth, power and influence needed. And think of the drama in Mashburn being RJ and Lisbon realizing with horror that she had sex with him! How would she react?
Cute face but we'd need something really substantial to have reason to believe he's an RJ type(although that could easily come in an episode it doesn't take much to create suspicion). I will say this though, Ardiles is quite the talker, he sure can manipulate, in theory, if something came out that gave us suspicion that maybe he was on RJs side I could see perhaps reason to believe there's a slight chance he's one of his friends. Lisbon got dirt on him in the last episode, that's probably just a coincidence picking him, but who knows....although we're reaching here. Ardiles really looked concerned about the dirt she could get on him, he gave up those sealed documents so easily which was kind of surprising. But again, this is just coming up with theories for fantasy sake.
@KM: I remember thinking about Ardiles a little bit. The way he acts just gives you that vibe you got with O'Laughlin, he has that aura about him that he's a bad boy, someone with an ego. There are alot of things about him that remind me of O'Laughlin. It's very intriguing and remember he was on the list of 5 in the season finale that was on the Todd Johnson murder case and suspect of being an RJ friend. But really, there's no reason to believe he's Red John. First off, Red John doesn't want Jane in prison, what good would that do for him, it would ruin all his fun, so why would he be the one DAing the case against Jane? Also remember what he told Jane in an episode last year, "this person won't get away with murder like you". There's no way RJ would go out of his way to remind Jane about his murder, that's not what RJ is about he wouldn't see that as murder and reason for prison. Also, it was RJ who set up the situation, he made Carter the bait. Cute face but we'd need something reall
Huisclothes I thought about his mother, we could have seen her and not know who she was. Now, she could be a puppet master? Or like someone else suggested that Red John may not be Just one person. The smiley face could be a sign for Red John inc. Remember what Jane said about the red glass bead. Why not a tat.
So my question is . . . where do those dang white shoes fit in??? lol
huisclothes and anitraward1, you are blowing my itty bitty mind. Mother or father could provide the dynamic. The thing is, we know absolutely nothing about Patrick's mother. I have a hard time believing that if it's a problem to drag up a villain from three or four seasons ago and cram the remaining episodes with the logic for the plot, unless they have a whole 'nother year to work with :-D, Mom as Red John would be an even further reach. There is zero background on her, right? This is just an argument about mechanics and likelihood. As an explanation for the passion and interest, either mom or dad would be a plum! Still, I'm betting against it. What fun!
re: the theory about visualize and red john and patrick's father and patrick. if my brain, had an ass, this theory would be kicking it. red john would then be someone we know very well since the attributes we've observed in patrick would exist in him. so though unseen, we'd understand him. lorelei said you and he are very much alike. patrick said we're nothing alike.
here's my problem. entwife mentioned it. i don't see mr. jane as having the intellectual firepower or strength of purpose to pull this off. i've never been a big fan of the rj is a woman thing but what if it's his mother! if we toss the homoerotic thing into the mix, the mind reels. in an earlier post, i talked about patrick as the victim of child abuse. that starts to get even more twisted.
I have to say, anitraward1, that you said your RJ theory would explain what would look like the homoerotic dynamic I was talking about, and it does. We don't have much to go on with Jane's dad, but with what we do have I just don't think he has the persistence or focus or the intellectual wherewithal to pull of the Red John dynasty. But it adds another very interesting set of clues to watch for!
Continued-a father may even engage a son in a little man/women talk or behavior. Father's sometimes do this with their sons! Entwife your homoerotic traits sound like something a father might do with a son. A psychotic father but still a father!
I also think that contained in all of our posts we may have already found the answer. I got my theory from reading all the posts! With that said, I submitt to you this..... Take all your suspects and see if they have Jane's traits. You can not be biased! Hidden within your MENTALIST memory palace is the answer!
Sorry. My last was in response to anitraward1.
Continued-The parent continues to try and mend fences but does not trust the child and ask that the child show some type of behavior that would show he's trustworthy again and worthy of returning to a fold. A fold that doesn't trust outsiders. Sometimes parents make the mistake of thinking they have been to harsh and will offer gifts to even their most wayward children. The parent will let their child know from time to time that they are even doing a good job. They will also step in and save them when they are having problems they can not resolve themselves. They will even tell they their old friends said high when they see them and give them a little parental pat when they leave. And you know parents they can't help but to try and impart their wisdom when ever they can. Purhaps a enlighten poem! Easy to remember.
Your theory does explain the passion and interest that RJ showers on Jane. I just don't think Dad is smart enough or skillful enough to pull off a wide-ranging powerful dynasty that RJ seems to have created.
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