The Vampire Diaries Spinoff: An Original Debate Comments (Page 2)
45 Comments
San
January 16th, 2013 5:49 AM
Love the idea of The Originals, hate the idea of Hayley. What is this networks fascination with Phoebe Tonkin?
They should just replace Hayley with Caroline and I guess EVERYONE would be on board...as long as they don't turn Klaus into a lovesick puppy because his favourite blondie is coming to New Orleans (for whatever reasons).
HellyJelly Rank: Guest Star
January 16th, 2013 4:52 AM
I'm totally on board with this. I'll definitely give it a shot, because I love the Originals and I decided to stop watching TVD anyways. I still think that Caroline should come along and live the rest TVD to deal with their petty little love lives on their own. I am not sure about the background story, I wonder what will they come up with, but I hope that there will be flashbacks. Goodbye to TVD! and hello to the Originals!!!
overeastside
January 16th, 2013 3:27 AM
I love the idea too. but to be honest as the only show. Let the mystic falls teenagers do their love drama and prom stuff in private. As soon as Klaus has his own show, I´ll be sailing this ship. I´m so over TVD.
Amie Rank: Regular Character
January 16th, 2013 2:41 AM
Like I said before - unless it involves my dream cast of Klaus, Elijah, Kol, Becks along with the only two bearable characters from MF - Caroline and Stefan - yes, I would watch. But on a serious note, what would be the point of this show? Yes, the Originals are awesome - thats a known fact - but the thing is we haven't seen them interact that much (except Klaus and Becks) so if they are calling me to watch JUST because its always a treat to see those amazing characters - that's one thing, but in terms of storylines....what would be the main plot surrounding them? Klaus as awesome as he is can not carry the whole show by himself.
HeatherFeather
January 16th, 2013 1:53 AM
Love the idea of The Originals, hate the idea of Hayley. What is this networks fascination with Phoebe Tonkin?
RedOktober Rank: Regular Character
January 16th, 2013 12:51 AM
@Ke. That's why I'm advocating that we all get some cardboard signs and picket forks, march on CW headquarters and call for Plec's fat head. We KNOW for a fact that this show is happening. What we don't know is who will be running the shots. If we eliminate Plec before she has a chance to write more of the same b***shit like TVD then we can at least be sure that the network will hire someone else to pen The Originals. The writer's of Sesame Street could do a better job than her. Whose with me????????
Ke
January 16th, 2013 12:31 AM
I'm gonna say no. Cause TVD and it's writing is already a plot hole filled mess. And if Julie is going to be co-producing like they say. This spin off will CONTINUE to be a mess. She can't handle character development and a steady story line in ONE show. How is she gonna handle that with two?
drich61 Rank: Guest Star
January 15th, 2013 11:49 PM
@kevin ""The Originals," which would center around the adventures of Klaus in contemporary New Orleans and also feature Phoebe Tonkin's Hayley."
Contemporary is not a different time period. Plus should Klaus die, so does the rest of the cast, so no more Vampire Diaries. Had there been no Phoebe Tonkin in the Secret Circle, I might have missed it this year, but because she was in it I did not miss it at all.
kevin
January 15th, 2013 10:28 PM
I don't think Matt's point is relevant, because the spinoff is set in a different time, and Klaus can still die in the vampire diaries, while we go to his past in The Originals. Those two aren't mutually exclusive. I also don't understand some ppl's dislike for phoebe tonkin, you don't even know why she's involved in klaus' New Orleans storyline, so maybe u should know more first before commenting.
CL
January 15th, 2013 9:23 PM
And, yeah, his voice is sex. It's the Alan Rickman effect; deal w / it. ;-)
CL
January 15th, 2013 9:22 PM
Along with Kol, Elijah, and Rebekah, there is also a chance to bring back Sebastian Roché as Mikael. That guy has RAGE - I'd like to see more of that family dynamic with all of the (surviving) siblings.
Jen
January 15th, 2013 9:15 PM
I think I may like the idea of a spinoff except for Hayley. She REALLY bugs me! Why is she even relevant when it comes to the originals? Remove Hayley from the spinoff and it will be a much better show.
Sarah
January 15th, 2013 8:39 PM
I love the idea of an Originals spin off. Just not with Hayley! I didn't like Phoebe Tonkin in Secret Circle and I haven't liked her any better in TVD. I love the character of Klaus and the other Originals too, I just can't picture how Hayley would even fit in with the Originals and I think it would totally ruin the show for me.
Miranda Wicker Rank: Staff Member
January 15th, 2013 8:00 PM
To Matt's point, if they spun this off as a werewolf tale with occasional appearances by vampires, that would work. If they plan to make TVD: Part Deux, I'm going to have to pass no matter how much I want the potential for more Elijah in my life.
Michael
January 15th, 2013 7:49 PM
Some spin offs do surpass the original and even come to stand all on their own. Xena totally topped Hercules. I'm not saying that Diaries is bad, it's great. Just saying ther'es hope this could be as good if not better. Now wouldn't that be something.
whateva
January 15th, 2013 7:00 PM
What happen to that other show she was suppose to help create.
On to more practical subjects, the existense of the two similar shows is very likely to cause a split in ratings. When you remove a fan favorite aspect from a show, the people who watched for that aspect (here, Original fans) are likely to leave, too. But these people won't be enough to make the new show a hit and the only thing that will get accomplished is that TVD's ratings will get hurt. Conclusion: the CW will have sabotaged a long-time successful show without even managing to create a new hit. Why can't the network's execs see this trap is beyond me...
And I agree with Matt's point that Plec's involvement in BOTH shows can only cause problems. She's already struggling with TVD, how is she going to deal with another task like that?
"A desperate attempt by the network to milk one of its only hits dry" is a very accurate description of what the CW is trying to do with this spinoff idea. They've tried to pair TVD with various shows on Thursday nights (Nikita, The Secret Circle, Beauty and the Beast) but nothing worked rating-wise. So why not add another hour of TVD? It's risky and it's desperate, but it's also a pretty obvious move.
The truth is I love me some Originals, but after two seasons they have become an integral part of TVD and I can't imagine how their removal from the story can be smooth as it should be. Also, a big part of why they are popular with the fans is their interaction with TVD's other characters. Removing that part of their appeal could be tricky.
On to more practical subjects, the existense of the two similar shows is very likely to cause a split in ratings. When you remove a fan favorite aspect from a show, the people who watched for that aspect (here, Original fans) are likely to leave
Michael
January 15th, 2013 6:07 PM
I wish they went with the title that Daniel Gillies proposed when the first rumors of a TVD spinoff occured: Original. So simple. "The Originals" reads so... painfully.
caterina
January 15th, 2013 5:41 PM
i am definitely in the yes camp with this one!!! i would love to see much more of Klaus and his siblings and it has been difficult to give them deserved air time in the fourth season. i don't think Klaus can be killed off though because he is the original blood line for the central characters, so i guess he just gets bored with Mystic Falls!
Dilsha
January 15th, 2013 5:40 PM
I am all for spinoff as far shonda had dropped the quality by producing PP it's not true we have got lovable characters in both especially charcoop I adore them and thank shonda for producing a spinoff cos both r amazing shows and I would love to see Joseph Morgan onscreen its better gets his own show rather than stick around where already there is so many characters it would be a nice opportunity to see him onscreen rather than kill this great talent off we can have a lot flashbacks to explain their backstory
DNACowboy
January 15th, 2013 5:26 PM
Why can't they locate to England and/or Europe? It would add amazing dimensions to the show!
Also, while I really want to see such a show I want the CW to wait until TVD has finished as I'm really worried the writing could be affected with Plec running both show's which actually means that she'll run oversight on TVD and the show will lose as a result.
Doflaming
January 15th, 2013 5:14 PM
Does this mean that KLaus will be killed off? I mean it sounds really thoug for an actor (Joseph Morgan) to be on 2 shows at the same time...?
Jules
January 15th, 2013 4:45 PM
Klaus and the 'Originals' have become too big and too interesting for TVD and absolutely deserve their own show. The only reason I have continued watching TVD series 4 is because Klaus is in it - he is a great character and is portrayed brilliantly by the excellent Joseph Morgan. I think there could be a plethora of gripping stories for a thousand years history of the Mikaelson family so really hope the spin off is a serious proposition. The Originals can well do with out the boring 'main characters' from TVD, so keep them out of this new project please. Pity a once really good show has been ruined by a pathetic monotonous love triangle which has gone down hill in season four. I will definitely watch the Originals in preference to TVD.
V
January 15th, 2013 4:33 PM
I believe Steve has said it all. How Matt can even criticize or reference any sort of criticism towards the writing on Grey's is beyond me *smh* With no disrespect to Plec (she did get us invested in TVD characters) but penning just a sentence for Grey's or Scandal are stuff her dreams are made of. All I ask of her is to get Stefan to leave the Damon Diaries and join the Originals as Ripper Stefan (brought about by his loss of Elena) till he finds the love of his life who has never and will never have sex with his brother and ultimately helps bring him back to adorable Stefan. #dreaming
Damon: She's strong and crafty and you'll die. Elena: At least I'll die trying.
January 16th, 2013 5:49 AM
Love the idea of The Originals, hate the idea of Hayley. What is this networks fascination with Phoebe Tonkin?
They should just replace Hayley with Caroline and I guess EVERYONE would be on board...as long as they don't turn Klaus into a lovesick puppy because his favourite blondie is coming to New Orleans (for whatever reasons).
Rank: Guest Star
January 16th, 2013 4:52 AM
I'm totally on board with this. I'll definitely give it a shot, because I love the Originals and I decided to stop watching TVD anyways. I still think that Caroline should come along and live the rest TVD to deal with their petty little love lives on their own. I am not sure about the background story, I wonder what will they come up with, but I hope that there will be flashbacks. Goodbye to TVD! and hello to the Originals!!!
January 16th, 2013 3:27 AM
I love the idea too. but to be honest as the only show. Let the mystic falls teenagers do their love drama and prom stuff in private. As soon as Klaus has his own show, I´ll be sailing this ship. I´m so over TVD.
Rank: Regular Character
January 16th, 2013 2:41 AM
Like I said before - unless it involves my dream cast of Klaus, Elijah, Kol, Becks along with the only two bearable characters from MF - Caroline and Stefan - yes, I would watch. But on a serious note, what would be the point of this show? Yes, the Originals are awesome - thats a known fact - but the thing is we haven't seen them interact that much (except Klaus and Becks) so if they are calling me to watch JUST because its always a treat to see those amazing characters - that's one thing, but in terms of storylines....what would be the main plot surrounding them? Klaus as awesome as he is can not carry the whole show by himself.
January 16th, 2013 1:53 AM
Love the idea of The Originals, hate the idea of Hayley. What is this networks fascination with Phoebe Tonkin?
Rank: Regular Character
January 16th, 2013 12:51 AM
@Ke. That's why I'm advocating that we all get some cardboard signs and picket forks, march on CW headquarters and call for Plec's fat head. We KNOW for a fact that this show is happening. What we don't know is who will be running the shots. If we eliminate Plec before she has a chance to write more of the same b***shit like TVD then we can at least be sure that the network will hire someone else to pen The Originals. The writer's of Sesame Street could do a better job than her. Whose with me????????
January 16th, 2013 12:31 AM
I'm gonna say no. Cause TVD and it's writing is already a plot hole filled mess. And if Julie is going to be co-producing like they say. This spin off will CONTINUE to be a mess. She can't handle character development and a steady story line in ONE show. How is she gonna handle that with two?
Rank: Guest Star
January 15th, 2013 11:49 PM
@kevin ""The Originals," which would center around the adventures of Klaus in contemporary New Orleans and also feature Phoebe Tonkin's Hayley."
Contemporary is not a different time period. Plus should Klaus die, so does the rest of the cast, so no more Vampire Diaries. Had there been no Phoebe Tonkin in the Secret Circle, I might have missed it this year, but because she was in it I did not miss it at all.
January 15th, 2013 10:28 PM
I don't think Matt's point is relevant, because the spinoff is set in a different time, and Klaus can still die in the vampire diaries, while we go to his past in The Originals. Those two aren't mutually exclusive. I also don't understand some ppl's dislike for phoebe tonkin, you don't even know why she's involved in klaus' New Orleans storyline, so maybe u should know more first before commenting.
January 15th, 2013 9:23 PM
And, yeah, his voice is sex. It's the Alan Rickman effect; deal w / it. ;-)
January 15th, 2013 9:22 PM
Along with Kol, Elijah, and Rebekah, there is also a chance to bring back Sebastian Roché as Mikael. That guy has RAGE - I'd like to see more of that family dynamic with all of the (surviving) siblings.
January 15th, 2013 9:15 PM
I think I may like the idea of a spinoff except for Hayley. She REALLY bugs me! Why is she even relevant when it comes to the originals? Remove Hayley from the spinoff and it will be a much better show.
January 15th, 2013 8:39 PM
I love the idea of an Originals spin off. Just not with Hayley! I didn't like Phoebe Tonkin in Secret Circle and I haven't liked her any better in TVD. I love the character of Klaus and the other Originals too, I just can't picture how Hayley would even fit in with the Originals and I think it would totally ruin the show for me.
Rank: Staff Member
January 15th, 2013 8:00 PM
To Matt's point, if they spun this off as a werewolf tale with occasional appearances by vampires, that would work. If they plan to make TVD: Part Deux, I'm going to have to pass no matter how much I want the potential for more Elijah in my life.
January 15th, 2013 7:49 PM
Some spin offs do surpass the original and even come to stand all on their own. Xena totally topped Hercules. I'm not saying that Diaries is bad, it's great. Just saying ther'es hope this could be as good if not better. Now wouldn't that be something.
January 15th, 2013 7:00 PM
What happen to that other show she was suppose to help create.
Rank: Guest Star
January 15th, 2013 6:27 PM
(cont.)
On to more practical subjects, the existense of the two similar shows is very likely to cause a split in ratings. When you remove a fan favorite aspect from a show, the people who watched for that aspect (here, Original fans) are likely to leave, too. But these people won't be enough to make the new show a hit and the only thing that will get accomplished is that TVD's ratings will get hurt. Conclusion: the CW will have sabotaged a long-time successful show without even managing to create a new hit. Why can't the network's execs see this trap is beyond me...
And I agree with Matt's point that Plec's involvement in BOTH shows can only cause problems. She's already struggling with TVD, how is she going to deal with another task like that?
Rank: Guest Star
January 15th, 2013 6:19 PM
"A desperate attempt by the network to milk one of its only hits dry" is a very accurate description of what the CW is trying to do with this spinoff idea. They've tried to pair TVD with various shows on Thursday nights (Nikita, The Secret Circle, Beauty and the Beast) but nothing worked rating-wise. So why not add another hour of TVD? It's risky and it's desperate, but it's also a pretty obvious move.
The truth is I love me some Originals, but after two seasons they have become an integral part of TVD and I can't imagine how their removal from the story can be smooth as it should be. Also, a big part of why they are popular with the fans is their interaction with TVD's other characters. Removing that part of their appeal could be tricky.
On to more practical subjects, the existense of the two similar shows is very likely to cause a split in ratings. When you remove a fan favorite aspect from a show, the people who watched for that aspect (here, Original fans) are likely to leave
January 15th, 2013 6:07 PM
I wish they went with the title that Daniel Gillies proposed when the first rumors of a TVD spinoff occured: Original. So simple. "The Originals" reads so... painfully.
January 15th, 2013 5:41 PM
i am definitely in the yes camp with this one!!! i would love to see much more of Klaus and his siblings and it has been difficult to give them deserved air time in the fourth season. i don't think Klaus can be killed off though because he is the original blood line for the central characters, so i guess he just gets bored with Mystic Falls!
January 15th, 2013 5:40 PM
I am all for spinoff as far shonda had dropped the quality by producing PP it's not true we have got lovable characters in both especially charcoop I adore them and thank shonda for producing a spinoff cos both r amazing shows and I would love to see Joseph Morgan onscreen its better gets his own show rather than stick around where already there is so many characters it would be a nice opportunity to see him onscreen rather than kill this great talent off we can have a lot flashbacks to explain their backstory
January 15th, 2013 5:26 PM
Why can't they locate to England and/or Europe? It would add amazing dimensions to the show!
Also, while I really want to see such a show I want the CW to wait until TVD has finished as I'm really worried the writing could be affected with Plec running both show's which actually means that she'll run oversight on TVD and the show will lose as a result.
January 15th, 2013 5:14 PM
Does this mean that KLaus will be killed off? I mean it sounds really thoug for an actor (Joseph Morgan) to be on 2 shows at the same time...?
January 15th, 2013 4:45 PM
Klaus and the 'Originals' have become too big and too interesting for TVD and absolutely deserve their own show. The only reason I have continued watching TVD series 4 is because Klaus is in it - he is a great character and is portrayed brilliantly by the excellent Joseph Morgan. I think there could be a plethora of gripping stories for a thousand years history of the Mikaelson family so really hope the spin off is a serious proposition. The Originals can well do with out the boring 'main characters' from TVD, so keep them out of this new project please. Pity a once really good show has been ruined by a pathetic monotonous love triangle which has gone down hill in season four. I will definitely watch the Originals in preference to TVD.
January 15th, 2013 4:33 PM
I believe Steve has said it all. How Matt can even criticize or reference any sort of criticism towards the writing on Grey's is beyond me *smh* With no disrespect to Plec (she did get us invested in TVD characters) but penning just a sentence for Grey's or Scandal are stuff her dreams are made of. All I ask of her is to get Stefan to leave the Damon Diaries and join the Originals as Ripper Stefan (brought about by his loss of Elena) till he finds the love of his life who has never and will never have sex with his brother and ultimately helps bring him back to adorable Stefan. #dreaming