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March 1st, 2013 1:29 AM
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WRITTEN BY: Tony Astrino
DIRECTED BY: Robbie Duncan McNeill
tony astrino is a writer's assistant who may be getting a shot here.
March 1st, 2013 1:22 AM
@rationalgal simon does develop wonderful tics and habits for his characters. the way patrick flicks his palm over his vest. the way he rubs his thumb over his fingertips. the cocky little cagney walk. the way he leads with his head when he makes a turn or wants to usher someone along with him.
jane was wriggling out of church when lisbon said i hate you. so he heard it. don't know if there was a link to the bear hug in her office. now i'm counting patrick hugging teresa instances. redemption - when he asked to rejoin the unit. crimson hat - good luck, teresa. red dawn - when he's been hired, he says thanks. she doesn't hug back.
other jane hugs. jason cooper in red barn. the sheriff in red gold. linus wagner in the pilot. the paralegal who got shot in red alert. probably others.
March 1st, 2013 12:58 AM
@ Anitraward 1
Okay. I've seen numerous articles that the origin of seasons 5 & 6 being renewed together comes from a tweet from an exiting writer and the information is not reliable. Seems like websites like TV Line, TV by the Numbers, Deadline, Cancelation Bear, Huffington Post, et cetera would know of this deal. I would think. And if they do know of the deal, then they would be falsely insisting that The Mentalist is in danger of cancellation, right? I hope your articles are correct. I sincerely do. Anyway, thanks for responding. Have a good evening, night, morning... And, take care.
March 1st, 2013 12:16 AM
KM, I also read articles that said seasons 5 & 6 were renewed at the same time. I believe we have 1 more year and then we are done.
February 28th, 2013 9:38 PM
Just one more mention of The Guardian. I highly recommend it, even tho a bit depressing, just to see how well Simon can embody any character he plays. I never see Simon in any of his films, only the character he creates. Many other acters just play themselves with different clothes and settings, tho they do a good job of that. Simon actually becomes the character down to speech patterns, body movements, facial expressions, general mannerisms. He doesn't even look quite the same, tho I can never tell just what the difference is. Anyone who plans to be an actor should watch how Simon does it. Brilliant!! You can see Simon as himself in that Paley Center video and he is totally different from any character he has played. Amazing!
February 28th, 2013 6:39 PM
Anitraward 1,
Would you mind linking the article you are referencing, please? There are 20,000 entries, if I went to the right location, for The Mentalist and Bruno.
February 28th, 2013 6:36 PM
Oh yeah @KM, he definitely heard her say she hated him, she raised her voice louder when she said it even. Not to mention before that she called him a SOB to his face twice, said his plan was stupid, he was despicable, then started in on how much she'd made him worry, indicating subtext of you don't care, etc. A couple of times he even managed to look like he got the message. So you may be onto something there. That hug may well have been to try to communicate how much Lisbon means to him without a bunch of words, which don't get them very far usually. I like it.
February 28th, 2013 6:34 PM
And, if he did hear her then how did he take it? Was it blowing off steam to his ears? Was it a warning that he came close to pushing her too far? He did presume it was she who bailed him out of jail. He seems so emotionally repressed that finding out how miserable he had made her was really uncomfortable. Jane's cool and takes pleasure with messing people's heads, but he often does not seem to consider the extent of suffering he causes. She matters and perhaps hearing her out was too much for him.
And, no, Lorelei likely does not die in 5*16, because she was contracted for 3 episodes and 5*16 should be the first of those 3. I might be wrong.
February 28th, 2013 6:33 PM
Go to WIKIA, there is a interview with Brono Heller talking about the grand finale in 2014! Good stuff!
February 28th, 2013 6:24 PM
@ Entwife,
I think he might have heard her, especially as the nun is coming into the scene.
http://youtu.be/rDhIO-E2Pp4
February 28th, 2013 6:14 PM
@KM I can't remember the timing of when Lisbon told Jane she hates him in the church. It matters a lot in the scene because when she goes to bitchin' he rolls his eyes, drops below the pew and is gone. I don't have the episode to review the scene, but I guess that would be the critical one because we'd need to know whether he heard her.
Hmmmm. No Lorelei in the cast list of your link. Wonder if she'll be dead by then.
Never saw The Guardian. When I first became interested in TM, I looked it up and read about it, seemed like a real bummer, but one day I'll see it just to look at Simon I'm sure. :-)
February 28th, 2013 5:41 PM
Greetings.
I have the oddest thoughts moving about in my weary mind. 1) Was Jane able to leave the sanctuary before Lisbon exclaimed she hated him in 4*24? Did that play into the engulfing hug he gave her? 2) I liked the lighting on Simon in the Givenchy ad, in still shots from the commercial he looks filled with light and in no need of the umbrella he is holding. In the still shots from French Marie Clare he is absolutely soaking wet and wind blown while holding the umbrella for a woman. 3) I managed to get Macklemore and Ryan Lewis "Thrift Shop" stuck in my brain (not my normal type of music), and my sleep deprived brain thinks Macklemore has some very Simon-ish features not unlike the Downtown Abby gentleman. That is all.
I only saw the pilot of the Guardian.
February 28th, 2013 5:08 PM
@rationalgal definitely a worthwhile series. the fact that nick never knew the extent of his mother's addiction. that he didn't know the mother had cheated on the father; not the other way around. i kept waiting for that to be clarified to him.
lulu was a perfect example of the song in the musical, hair, "easy to be hard." do you only care about the bleeding crowd? how about a needy friend?
February 28th, 2013 4:07 PM
huisclothes, I still thing the series had a lot to offer - much to think about. Life really can suck. Simon's acting was brilliant as usual. His character couldn't win, just make the best of it. He wanted to marry Lulu and be a good father, offered her his mom's ring and Lulu turned him down "like I had insulted you," Nick said. Then when he started having sex with that other women and finally told Lulu, she got all bent out of shape. Like he owed her everything and she owed him nothing. Even so, she was portrayed as a basically decent person. Sure didn't act like it. Never considered anything or anyone but her own emotional needs and desires. Regardless, because the story is not the usual happy happy stuff, it's well worth watching.
February 28th, 2013 3:32 PM
@rationalgal blue mystic was outstanding. i thought the series did show the interesting contrasts between the haves and have nots. captured a certain pennsylvania civic mentality. (puritan boston; quaker pennsylvania) i didn't see it until last summer and found it very dated. theme music, credits. for me it was very depressing. him imprinting on lulu. him having a child with her. her rejection of him. her warm embrace of his money. her ability to act holier than thou about anyone -- probably jesus if he showed up. i so hated where nick wound up. sitting in alvin's chair - forever dealing with hideous problems. no guaranteed contact with his child. the writers decided he had to bite the bitter pill and chew it slowly with no water to wash it down. my take, the character didn't deserve what he got.
February 28th, 2013 3:17 PM
@mimi n.g. is no good.
February 28th, 2013 2:38 PM
you guys made me want to watch the Devil's cherry again because of yesterday's discussion. Lisbon= the rabbit, very interesting!
February 28th, 2013 1:59 PM
I have The Guardian DVDs and have watched all eps twice, some 3-4 times. It is a depressing series - almost never a happy ending, but a useful social message about the perks of the wealthy, who seem to be able to buy their way out of any trouble, and the throw-away treatment of poor kids. Simon (as Nick) does a great job in a role that obviously is far from his own temperament. Hated Lulu - she did nothing but harm Nick in many ways. Really loved Simon's acting in "Blue Mystic" where he overdoxes on drugs. Totally compelling! Overall at least the story was coherent - not all over the place like TM. The end was somewhat satisfying in that Nick finally got his priorities straight. But he was still stuck with Lulu.
February 28th, 2013 1:53 PM
hc, what does mean n.g?
February 28th, 2013 1:45 PM
lulu. n.g. a friend of mine, a guy, said about nick's character, people take advantage of him because he appears so emotionally flat - that things don't hurt him. thought that was a very smart appraisal.
February 28th, 2013 1:39 PM
:-)
yes I have seen a bit of the Gardian, didn't like it much, it was so dark all the time I got fed up with it, there was no humor, no great moments (or not many anyway) always dramas, pffff heavy. and Nick was so dull as well, he was endearing though, emotionally handicapped but so dark and I hated Lulu, she so didn't deserve him, pulling him down instead of up. we had this discussion before but anyway. I didn't even watch all the episodes. I fast forwarded just to see what happened.
February 28th, 2013 1:26 PM
mimi. 5 years ago, i saw the poster on a bus. i almost got hit by it. never have i had a face catch me like that. saw the first and liked it. when i saw ladies in red, episode 4, i was completely obsessed. something about the way he spoke to the widow - "call me, and i'll come." so masterful. anyway, that was it. 5 years. summers were the worst because there was no new material to sift through. last summer, they re-ran the guardian every day - three year's worth, so that was good. you only get the tiniest hints of his powers in that show. don't know if you've seen it.
February 28th, 2013 11:49 AM
huisclothes, have you watched the show from day 1? or did it come later for you?
February 28th, 2013 11:42 AM
well it's been on French tv here since 2010 and the 4th season ended here not so long ago, end of last year I think? now they broadcast one episode of S1 on Sunday afternoon with House and CSI, we have to wait before getting the 5th season (I believe September). so yes I watched it all online (those I didn't see) but don't fret I'll definitely buy all the DVDs too.
February 28th, 2013 11:33 AM
is that how you saw it originally or was it on tv?