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March 3rd, 2013 8:44 PM
@ Huisclothes
Thank you for your very concise description of "blueballs"! :-) I get the picture, Entwife! I'm with you, on the "Looney Toons" side. Just don't have enough imagination for all these scenarios. But it's a lot of fun to juggle them all around in my head.
Is Currie Graham (Mashburn) mentioned anywhere in the upcoming eps?
March 3rd, 2013 8:33 PM
Mashburn was definitely on Jane's boiled down list of handshaking suspects. It was the one name that stuck out with me; the others were insignificant in the series. I really think we are on to something here. If Mashburn shows up one more time - OR is mentioned in a small conversation that, yes, Jane had sex with Lorelei but Lisbon had sex with Mashburn. Best part is that one or both realize Mashburn is RJ and get horrified that Lisbon had sex with him unaware. But is that any worse than Jane having sex with RJ's minion? Lots and lots of dramatic possibilities here. Now I'm going to watch the new ep very very closely for more clues. One and a half hours to go!
March 3rd, 2013 8:26 PM
Looks like @rationalgal and @huisclothes are both homing in on Mashburn as RJ right now. And for the excellent reasons you present. Wish I was good at the whodunit part, but I'm always the Looney Toons character that goes, "That sounds logical." *snicker*
@bonaduz-- @huisclothes generalized the term blueballs to include persons of any gender in that condition of frustration. For me, waiting for Jisbon is like that. *sigh*
March 3rd, 2013 8:20 PM
@bonaduz blueballs is what a guy would describe himself as having when a woman he was dating hadn't as yet agreed to have sex with him. his balls are blue from the tension and discomfort of holding back his sexual passion. also implies the woman is teasing him a bit. at least, according to him. it is a rather coarse phrase.
i'm saying that if rj calls his victims his wives, then angela who was patrick's wife and rj's victim was one of rj's wives.
along with all the other women he killed. including charlotte.
yeah entwife. the young psychopaths. shudder.
March 3rd, 2013 8:11 PM
Yes, I've always thought your Mashburn theory was one of, if not the best RJ theories out there, @huisclothes. And the wives and psychics part is really the clincher on that theory for me. Sure makes a lot more sense than dragging up CBI Ron or dredging Plotnick up again, even if they are Waldo-y, especially Ron.
Rope is a terrific film. Totally creepezoid. And the creepy part is not so much there's a dead body in the box but the young psychopaths who think it's a great joke. Monsters in our midst.
Other characters may know various things, but what a great kick if we know and suddenly we start seeing who knows what while others are in danger. Be yelling, "Watch out!"
March 3rd, 2013 8:06 PM
@ Huisclothes
So, you are saying, that Angela was Mashburn's wife at one point?
And what does "blueballs" mean? I don't know this expression.
March 3rd, 2013 7:50 PM
re: blueballs. wonder how old that expression is? will research. as i described before, it could be good if they declare themselves or do it and then, can't continue for any number of delicious plot conceits.
i was thinking about mashburn a zillion pages ago because he identified patrick as a psychic and said one of my wives was into psychics. linus wagner's note in the pilot refers to red john's victims as wives, if this use of the term wife is accurate, (and certainly patrick thought the note sounded like red john) that could easily be angela jane who was very into one particular psychic. `
March 3rd, 2013 7:40 PM
@entwife glad you like the "we know before they do" scenario. very hitchcock. is it one of the first of his movies, rope, where two young men strangle a guy and put him in a box. they then proceed to throw a party where the two guys and the audience know there's a body in the box? but none of the guests?
patrick knows things before we do. but they're usually revealed to us very quickly. we know stuff lisbon doesn't know. she knows stuff the team doesn't know. does she know stuff jane doesn't know? the truth about hafner, maybe? minelli knows stuff neither lisbon or patrick knows. stiles knows stuff no one knows. he knows stuff only patrick knows. lorelei knows stuff no one but patrick knows. we know the most of anyone.
key to many movies is who knows what when. pillow talk and the apartment are great examples.
March 3rd, 2013 7:29 PM
@bonaduz Wow, you're lucky, 16 minutes. I've got 2 1/2 hours to wait!
my little scenarios are mainly threats just now, hahahaha, frustration about being strung along for so long. and @huisclothes wants it to go longer lol!
March 3rd, 2013 6:52 PM
@ Entwife
are we ever going to read any or your notes for steamy Jisbon scenarios, or is it strictly 18+? ;-D
March 3rd, 2013 6:45 PM
@ Entwife
The "show me some skin" was my video I found by chance and kind of liked it! It fit my mood this morning!!! :-D
I think Mashburn was in Jane's little book, not shure though. Rationalgal deff. has a point. Hmmmm Mashburn = RJ?? Intriguing! And - oh man - if he finds out Jane/Lisbon have something going on! The repercussions would be epic!
OK, 16 min. to go for the new TM! Gotta get ready!
March 3rd, 2013 6:35 PM
Sorry. The Mashburn comment was for @rationalgal
It really would take some of the pressure off if the viewers knew who RJ was before everybody else. It would add a whole new dimension to the show, even more fear for the safety of the characters as they tracked him down because we would know the danger they're in. I like it.
March 3rd, 2013 6:29 PM
hmmmmmm. @huisclothes It's definitely true Jane does like Mashburn, has fun with him and enjoys his company. Creepy. I forget. Was Washburn on Patrick's list of suspects? Be interesting to see if he starts showing up.
About blue balls until season six. I'll break long before then. In fact I'm already making notes for steamy Jisbon scenarios to get me through. I hope we get something toothsome along those lines, like that video posted today, show me some skin.
Really enjoyed the Darkness video, too. Can't remember who posted what, I think it must have been 4 pages ago. :) But, thanks!
March 3rd, 2013 6:28 PM
More about Mashburn: Now consider that Lisbon slept with him and that RJ apparently loves her. He's not worried about Jane as competition because Jane set them up as a couple. NOW: If Mashburn is RJ, think how it will play out if Jane and Lisbon get together. Mashburn/RJ will be totally murderous. One woman he loved dumped him - no way will he allow another one to do that. His character throughout, whether he's cutthroat businessman Mashburn or serial killer RJ, shows he does not allow anyone to get the best of him or screw him over. The predator in Jane's repeated (why?) PBS nature shows will be stalking his prey and pouncing. Sometimes the prey gets away, sometimes not. That nature show will become life-and-death reality for Jane - and Lisbon.
March 3rd, 2013 6:17 PM
After the talk about Jane not wearing his vest in the Masburn ep, I watched both of the Mashburn eps (Red Line and Red Hot). I think the missing vest was intended to symbolize Jane's vulnerability to Mashburn. Listen to their conversations in both eps. It's RJ meaningful all the way. Almost like Mashburn telling Jane he is RJ, and getting to know Jane for the use that may have. In Red Hot, Jane has his vest back on and now Mashburn wears a red sweater. Mashburn's ex-wife notes how, after she dumped him, something snapped in him. There was clue after clue that Mashburn is RJ. He has every one of the characteristics RJ needs to do what he does. And there was a definite handshake and the clear potential for them to be friends. No one else fits the RJ role better.
March 3rd, 2013 6:09 PM
@ huisclothes,
A Hamlet twist would be fascinating, but hopefully Rosie and Guild would not share the same fate.
March 3rd, 2013 5:28 PM
i think if lisbon started dating someone we'd see patrick run the gamut of emotions. teasing and blase' to lisbon and jealous and surprised at his jealousy to us. then we'd see lisbon surprised to be disappointed that jane seems to be fine with it. would be great.
i'm grooving on the idea of the viewers knowing who red john is before the characters. it might fend off those of us who are ready to march on warner brothers with pointed sticks if his identity isn't revealed. and it would allow blue-ballers (like myself) to enjoy another year of foreplay. i would love them to do an arc mostly from rj's point of view. patrick and teresa are rosencranz and guildenstern.
March 3rd, 2013 5:18 PM
we've had four episodes in which it would have made sense for jane and/or lisbon to fess up feelings for each other. code red, when she thinks they both have the virus. red all over, when they're locked in a sweltering box car. strawberries and cream, twice - when she has the bomb strapped to her and when he's on the phone with her and she's shot. and crimson hat, when he hugged her and said "love you" and then had the chance to confirm it when they were in the warehouse.
in code red, she would have been the protagonist. also in red all over. in strawberries and cream, he seemed like he was going there. in crimson hat, he initiated, she looked for confirmation and he dissembled. be interesting to see how they'd top these. i agree that the stakes would have to be life or death for one of them, or right after rj's death.
March 3rd, 2013 4:43 PM
I think there is an excellent chance that for there to be a romantic relationship between Jane and Lisbon, that Lisbon will need to be the stronger of the two. She'll have to face her own fears and climb out on a limb. Or she will be so close to being dead that the fear of never saying it propels Jane to speak. I hope I am wrong. I just think she will have to push and that will be the domino fall that cascades into Jane being able to express himself verbally and physically.
March 3rd, 2013 4:39 PM
You're right he'd certainly react this way but we as viewers would see how he feels about her as many are still not convinced there is more to it.
It would be a good twist imo.
Right I'm off tomorrow when I wakeup you'll all have seen the epi! Just Cant wait, like huisclothes said once, feels like waiting to open ur xmas presents!
I hope Ill find a way of getting some sleep! Night night
March 3rd, 2013 4:18 PM
@Entwife,
Yes. I have a strong desire to 1) hug, and 2) swat his bunda with a hearty "Out of neutral, love!"
March 3rd, 2013 3:57 PM
I tend to see Patrick the same way @KM. That if he saw Lisbon move into a relationship, he would back away, not declare himself. And for the reasons you cite, a basic self-loathing and sense of unworthiness. He can overcome this and it's about time. If he would allow himself to feel the full power of his love for Teresa, Patrick would be at her side fighting for his chance with her. It's so sad sometimes. But mostly I just want to kick his butt and say get after it, boy!
March 3rd, 2013 3:26 PM
Well, finding out that you have competition for the one you desire has been know to have positive results. But, I could see Jane backing further away if Lisbon was involved with someone else. There is that equal part self-loathing that Bosco mentioned, that may make him feel undeserving of being blessed with love and a family again. Keeping Lisbon at arms length serves two purposes, because it protects her from RJ and it protects him from ever having to risk grief in loving her. Plus, her dating someone else would be helpful, in that it would help keep RJ thinking that she is not a treasure to Jane. Unless the someone else works with/for RJ and then it provides easy access to Lisbon in more ways than one.
There is a sad fan video, well done, where Jane kills himself.
March 3rd, 2013 3:18 PM
ahah love that expression of yours "tail wagging"!
yes I know the scene in DWP! mmmmmmmmmm makes me want to watch again!
March 3rd, 2013 3:15 PM
@mimi don't worry. my tail is wagging too so i'm making lots of typos.