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February 19th, 2013 1:48 AM
@waywardone maybe if we metabolize the certainty of the end, we'll stop wanting to jump off a cliff. at least, i wish that for you. it may be too late for me.
February 19th, 2013 1:46 AM
@entwife. yes, we are in some ghastly la-la land. just re-watched last night's episode. some nice moments but it felt a little like the band on the titanic. we have so few episodes left. if this is the last season, that was what they chose to do with one of the precious few?
if teaching bertram and lisbon poker meant something, i would so appreciate it. i feel like i'm snatching at straws here.
in the simpson's first halloween special, there's a segment in which homer reads "the raven" to bart and lisa. when he reads, "twas the wind and nothing more," bart says, "you know what would have been scarier than nothing? ANYTHING!!" that's how i'm starting to feel. they're running out the clock with mediocrity.
February 19th, 2013 1:22 AM
yes, huisclothes, if it is true I don't blame Simon. And I don't think it is a negotiating tactic for a better deal. Since they moved tm to Sun. nights I have felt the writing on the wall and I think they all have. I, like you and others, just hope they can do the ending in a satisfying manner that brings honor to the series as a whole. My irritation with this last episode and several before it tells me that I'd rather see it go out on a high note than be subjected to a withering death. I still want to jump off a cliff, too.
February 19th, 2013 1:11 AM
I've thought for a long time that this would be the final season, mainly because the Red John thing can be dragged out only so far. He has to be killed off before the audience deserts en masse in frustration. The series could continue but only with a different concept - no underlying tragedy, no RJ, no drive for revenge. Entirely possible and I'd love to see it, but it's not likely. Besides, Simon surely must be eager to do other things, such as the movie he's trying to get funded. And I'd love to see him play other roles - the kind that are strongly dramatic. Simon is so good at that. I expect the writers will give us an unforgettable finale. They have the talent and enough threads to choose from to work out a smashing ending.
February 19th, 2013 12:56 AM
@waywardone. yeah, it had a farewell feeling but so did larry king. simon will have to deal with what bowing out will really mean. he'll be putting hundreds of people out of work. for a guy who's so invested in still being the aussie bricklayer man of the people, that would be painful. hard to reconcile with his vision of himself. so i suspect if he's saying he's leaving, it's cbs and he agreeing on a story for what's already a done deal. fabulous star and forward-thinking network agree to end legendary show at its peak. meaning - they want to pull the plug but i don't want them to unduly damage me. so i'll say i need to pursue my creative muse and they'll wave me a reverential farewell. and then, they'll try to jam golden boy down everyone's throats.
February 19th, 2013 12:38 AM
wow. At one point I heard Simon say that he would stick with TM as long as they were willing to support it.....I think that was about a year ago. But he also has a desperate need to feel creatively challenged and I think this show has become more physically draining than challenging for him. When Larry King asked him in Nov to describe himself in one word he said: tired.
I almost posted earlier that Simon's speech at the walk of fame ceremony sounded like a fond farewell to Bruno and Robin but I didn't say it because I thought I might be overreacting. (no wonder Huisclothes was feeling annoyed at him sounding so grateful) I also think it might just be a rumor, but if true, it is certainly a stronger move to make than letting it drag you down with it.
February 19th, 2013 12:33 AM
@km ohh. could it be the lady who thinks simon is the child of hedy la marr and cantinflas? or zazu pitts and peter lorre? or bea lillie and tallulah bankhead? maybe it's that woman.
February 19th, 2013 12:29 AM
my hub was saying it could be a negotiating stance on simon's agent's part. he went to sleep so i can't get him to elucidate further. but maybe it's something like "if you're thinking you want me for more time, you have to sweeten it for me or else let me out and maybe pay me to go away." don't know how they structure these things but employment contracts are written all sorts of ways.
whatever it is, i hope simon gets whatever he wants. and a great future with great parts.
and i still want to jump off a cliff.
February 19th, 2013 12:23 AM
I tried verifying the link I posted. As of know it does not come up on Google under: Simon Baker; Simon Baker news; Simon Baker salary; Simon Baker contract; Simon Baker mentalist...
So far the Twitter feed following it has responses saying "not likely" and "questionable source" and "is this that crazy Canadian woman who obsessively creates "news" again".
Sorry I could not find out anything. I must put my head down and get back to work. So chin up. We'll have trust Mr. Baker if this turns out to be true and hope for a brilliant and satisfying finale. *hugs*
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February 18th, 2013 11:42 PM
Its hard to see how this isn't true, this isn't one of those things someone sits on a computer and just makes up, it came out for a reason. What's interesting is a) this show initially had planned to go on for 5 years and they extended his contract for 7 seasons. Was the plan really to go that long or was it always 5 from the get go? We'll probably never know but it's an interesting question. b) Would this show have come back had Simon been willing to? The fact that he had to ask out of his contract makes it sound like he thought he'd be coming back for another season and that the show wouldn't be cancelled. Disapointing, everybody's favorite star was the one who pulled the plug on the show, but I'll reserve judgement on what I think for now. If these last 8 episodes are strong and tie up loose ends and at the very least give us answers and end the series the right way, I'll be happy and can live with this show ending after 5 years. If not, that'll be unfortunate.
February 18th, 2013 11:39 PM
@ huisclothes and black white and red all over it,
I don't know if it is true. Of course reading it made me sad. I'm educated as a molecular biologist and I look at data,, so I don't feel surprised and I'd rather know and hope that they would succeed in ending the series well. I'd rather have 5 seasons with a good and satisfying ending for cast, crew, creator, and audience, then be given a six season that is weaker. In a perfect world I'd like them to have 13-24 episodes of knowing it is the final turn to the finish line. I feel more strongly though that Baker, Tunney, and company be able to conclude Mentalist in the way that best support their future career ambitions. So if death is coming to the Mentalist may they make it a brilliant and powerful one.
February 18th, 2013 11:35 PM
Wow. If it's true Simon Baker wants out, maybe we at least have a chance for the Red John and Jisbon story lines to be wound up properly. I still want another season. But last night's episode left me wondering what in the world is going on. We should be on an understandable journey. Instead we took a detour to la-la land. Fun. But where were we?
February 18th, 2013 11:30 PM
Wow, if that is true, at least all of our questions will be answered sooner rather than later. But it could be a hoax...not everything on the Internet is true. There will probably be a confirmation or some type of denial in the next few days. At least I would assume so.
February 18th, 2013 11:23 PM
@km whoa. what do you think? guess if i was going to be canceled, i would ask them to let me announce that i asked to be let out of my contract. saves face and easier to get a job from a job where they want you. can't imagine there's any reason other than that for him to do that. even if he's setting up a film, he can do that between takes. i want to jump off a cliff but i get it.
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February 18th, 2013 11:06 PM
@KM: well if the report is true, at least we know ahead of time for sure and we can temper our expectations accordingly. I'll certainly miss the show but it's alot better to know now that it's not coming back rather than having to deal with not knowing until May and having the storyline becoming a mess. Realistically while its unfortunate that was the conclusion I had reached for a couple of months.
February 18th, 2013 10:08 PM
@ Keith,
You might be correct. But I don't think CBS plays that way. "CBS is a well oiled money printing syndication machine, and has shown that it will sacrifice low current ratings (and ad revenue) for the bounty (or even the potential bounty, hello The Good Wife!) that the syndication gods provide I christened a new rule: If a CBS produced & aired scripted show reaches a third season it is certain to receive a fourth. That fourth season typically ensures at least the minimum number of episodes (~88) needed for stripped syndication." - Bill Gorman. And for that reason Blue Bloods will be renewed even with its weak 19-49 demo score. And The Good Wife will likely be renewed although it scored 1.4 this week and tied a repeat Saturday Night Live. CBS doesn't have a syndication deal for TGW even with their reaching 88 episodes, they might think that having 100 episodes will make it more marketable. By the way, CSI NY earned a 1.2 last week. Tis not looking good for CSI NY.
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February 18th, 2013 9:31 PM
In trying to understand 18-49 ratings, somewhere I saw and kept in my mind as significant that 1.4 means cancellation and 2.4 means renewal ... generally. I don't understand it, but remember that. And probably saw those numbers on one of the sites referred to in comments here (but not positive).
On 9PM and 10PM time slots -- isn't the later slot more for shows featuring "adult" content (meaning shows like Dallas or Peyton Place adult content)? Maybe they're testing for that audience??
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February 18th, 2013 9:19 PM
@KM: in terms of a show's status of coming back vs being cancelled and in terms of revenue for a station, total views is completely irrelevant. 18-49 demo rating is the only thing that matters. On wikipedia(yes what a great source of reliable information) it said the rating was 1.8. That's not very good, that's what Mentalist has been at most of the year. 2.0 though is better and the difference isn't insignificant, I'll trust that number over good old wikipedia then. Either way it's not really relevant, I can't see this show getting moved to Friday night, Blue Bloods is coming back for another season and they anchor down Friday nights along with Undercover Boss.
February 18th, 2013 9:06 PM
@BW&R,I see what you're saying. I think I just am prepared for the worst because I feel that we have been misled about several things over the course of the series. In my view, it is better to be mysterious and say nothing than to say something that isn't accurate or is misleading. Writers can get people excited about the season without lying to them. If they can't, then they are probably in the wrong business.
February 18th, 2013 9:01 PM
@ black white and red all over it,
I read it was a bit better. "The Mentalist helped boost CBS’ Friday numbers, delivering 11.83 million total viewers — the night’s largest haul — while scoring a 2.0 demo rating"
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February 18th, 2013 9:00 PM
@Watcher: we shall see if the leading candidate at this moment for RJ in the mind of me and many CBI Ron comes through as RJ then that will be the ultimate troll move; someone who was seen repeatedly the first 3 seasons but played no role and whom really there is no reason to assign as RJ. It would be completely pointless and entirely disingenuous. I agree Lisbon never really had any thing for Mancini but I saw some people on another website debating and saying she might have had it back so it's at least a bit debateable(although to me and you it's complete nonsense). But we'll see, if in fact we hadn't see RJ in the first 3 seasons, that will make the show look SOOOOOOOOOOOOO BAD. Wow that would be horrible. That to me is just going out of bounds and taking things too far. Exaggerating feelings and a potential "thing" is one thing, hell even exaggerating "Jane shooting someone" is another, but lying about RJ that blatantly is too far.
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February 18th, 2013 8:55 PM
@huisclothes: it's more complicated than that, the success of TGW at 10 on Sunday I don't think really will play much of a role in the decision, CBS is just doing it more to give them more data to work with. It's more just revealing of CBS's agenda and how they view TGW--there experimenting with it at 10, which is a worse time slot, there has to be a reason for that. If a show higher up on the food chain than TM is getting potentially downgraded, that's not a positive for TM. To answer your other question the ratings for that Friday night show of the Mentalist weren't good, only 1.8 18-49 demographic which is about what it gets now on Sunday night even though Friday night is a better window than Sunday night in terms of ratings over the years.
February 18th, 2013 8:55 PM
In my opinion, saying that Lisbon "clearly has a thing for" Mancini seems to be a pretty black & white statement. Saying those feelings keep Jane "on edge" is a little more ambiguous, but very definitely misleading at the very least. I would certainly call at least the Lisbon statement factually incorrect. I don't view this any differently than saying we have seen RJ on screen if it turns out we have not. A lie is a lie. Seriously, I don't believe it until I see it on the screen.
February 18th, 2013 8:43 PM
@km thanks.
@bw&r so you're saying if tgw does well at 10, menty gets axed? how did it do on friday? that was a dreadful claptrap of an episode, ruddy cheeks. there's got to be someplace they can be happy getting 10.5 to 11 million viewers.
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February 18th, 2013 8:42 PM
Let me correct myself actually the Good Wife at 10 this weekend is a repeat so ignore that last rant. I still think this is more about TGW then TM because TGW is the favorite to be kept over us and there's zero chance in hell they flop times with these shows espec since TGW has been in that time frame for so long and can't exactly afford much worse ratings to justify its existence. As for what @watcher said earlier, yes that was a good pt with Mancini, he hit on her a little bit but all in all the FBI storyline was a huge hoax akin to the epic "jane gets shot" in the season finale last year. But where as this is deliberate misleading, its not factually incorrect, just very disingenuous and certified trolling. If the writers have tweeted in response to people that we have seen RJ in episodes before back in Sept 2011, that's a factual statement, that's not just misleading or being disingenous. That would make the show look unbelievably bad if they did that. Like REALLY incredibly bad.