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is best for him and seem to have access to his personal thoughts and ideas at all times.
The only other TV show that Michael Weatherly has been on since NCIS started is an episode of Major Crimes this summer. I watched it and, really, not much made that character different from Tony.I actually think it made Tony look far superior to this guy. The character of Thorn Woodson was an egotistical, womanizer who was sleeping with several married women and had questionable morals. And he kinda looked like an idiot throughout the whole episode. One reviewer said that Thorn was "an obnoxious loud-mouthed "life coach" played by Michael Weatherly. Weatherly's DiNozzo character in NCIS is getting to be very tiresome and in this show he takes that character to a ludicrous extreme. I assume it was supposed to be an amusing portrayal but it was just annoying." So, I guess he isn't doing a very good job of getting away from typecasting. I personally love Michael Weatherly and the character of Tony. Maybe you should be counseling him on his career choices since you know what
@bob - How do you know?
@guest - Yes, I think I did hear that these are CdP's demands! LOL.
I still don't understand why people can't enjoy NCIS for what it is. Is there something so wrong with doing just that?
believe me, MW and all the other actors don't give a flying CRAP how their character is written. they only care if their paycheck is signed. they put on an act like they do in interviews so people will think they care. people who think they do are delusional. lol
On another note, Cote de Pablo has yet to re-sign for season 11 because she has some pretty hefty demands. First of all, she wants the name of the show to be changed to ZCIS and then she wants top billing in the credits and then she also has stated that she will only do scenes in which she is made to look superior to all others and all the other characters have to look like idiots compared to her, especially Tony!
Sorry, none of the above is true! In case you haven't caught on, that was sarcasm!
Please people, get off the Ziva bashing bandwagon; it is getting so old!
Ziva: You are Tony DiNozzo. The class clown. And that is why we love you.”) So yes, it is Ziva who people accuse of being the one to tear Tony down who is actually the one who tries to build him up. Are all the characters on this show exaggerated? Absolutely. They each have a part to play. If they were real people I doubt that Abby would be that joyful and naïve all the time or that Ziva would be an emotionless ninja who only wants to kick ass and be perfect or McGee would be the techie nerd or Palmer the bumbling idiot, etc….There is a formula and the writers are sticking to it. After being the number 1 drama for over 3 years and continually pulling in over 20 million viewers most weeks, why would they change it? So, sit back, enjoy the ride and stop taking everything so personally. It is a TV show. Enjoy it for what it is-pure entertainment.
season 2 in Eye for an Eye, Tony tells Kate “ he's meditating but Kate disagrees, stating that he's probably thinking about how much he drank or trying to remember some girl's name”.) Most of the characters have been made to look superior at the expense of Tony. But he has matured, too. The talk of his sexual exploits has been greatly toned down and he doesn’t seem to be talking about all the women he has “had’ lately. He has also been shown to have compassion and concern for the people around him. (i.e.. in addition to the Tony in Shabbat Shalom and Shiva there is also the Tony who showed the guilt he felt over Brenda Bittner and the trouble he went to, to get the lovely Christmas present for Delores in HR. And Ziva has even been the one to point out his strengths. She is the one who tells him he should be proud for saving the boy from the fire and she is the one who told him. “Ziva: But you need to be – who you are. Tony: And who am I? Ziva: You are To
When has Gibbs ever been the butt of the joke on the show and why would that happen now? Since day one, Gibbs has always been portrayed as being superior to everyone else. He is always putting other people in their place. From Kate, to Ziva, to Tony, to McGee, to Vance, to Jenny, to Jimmy etc…you see my point. The only one who may have put him in his place is Ducky and that has rarely ever happened. Some of you really need to re-watch seasons 1 and 2. Tony has always been portrayed as the class bonehead and a womanizer chasing everything in a skirt. And Kate always put him in his place. (Who else can recall in season 1, Dead Man Talking, “This was where Tony tongued a transgender person while working undercover, which Kate teased him about mercilessly knowing how much this upset his macho male ego.” Also in season 1 there was Minimum Security in which Tony was scared by an iguana in his room and made to look like a fool much to Kate’s delight.. Then there is
MW has had to defend his character with varying amounts of success for a while now (at least since DPB left). In Bounce he was concerned (and there is an interview in the DVD) that he was concerned about the way Tony was depicted, but he was informed that he just needed to suck it up and act the story he was given. I also recently read a post that said in the original script for Rekindled, Tony was written as being jealous and competitive with Jason and MW complained, and this time they listened to him.
I personally find Ziva to be like nails on a chalkboard most of the time, but would probably like her better if she wasn't constantly shoved into the limelight, to the detriment of other more interesting characters, to be the dramatic axis of every arc that Gibbs isn't the focus of.
@Michael. MW never said that he wanted a change in his character. How was Abby being selfish last week? And you showed me that most people like Ziva already. Almost (Emphasis on ALMOST) no one wants to see Ziva die.
YESSSS!! It would be GREAT to see Ziva tripped up in a humiliating way by her own arrogance for a change!
I guess part of the reason the discussion turned to Tony was because of the last question brought up in the round table discussion - "Do the writers make Tony too much of a clown?" which is something many Tony fans have complained about for years. He's funny and great at comedy - yes - but for the last few years they've used this so much that the result has been to turn Tony from Gibbs brilliant, brave, and funny SFA, to a guy who is generally clueless, often cowardly, and the butt of every joke. I don' think anyone wants Tony to be serious all the time. I would just like to see Tony be funny because of cleverness, or let someone else who is now portrayed as perfect and immune to any unflattering character moments - Ziva and Gibbs come to mind - be the clueless butt of the joke. Wouldn't that be an amazing and unpredictable surprise?
I don't get why the comments always end up being about Tony. It was a really good episode. Great performances by Brian Dietzen and David McCullough. I loved the little ticket story. Wished there was some resolution where McGee got tix for DiNozzo, but it was fine. Looking forward to the Admiral McGee ep.
You can tell that its really bothering Michael Weatherly too, I mean he has gone on many records saying how he wish he could be taken more seriouly now that he a father I think that why he does other cop show beside NCIS now because he does not want to be Typecast.
They really need to change these character and let them grow, its kinda of sad that Abby a woman in her late 40 is acting like a 16 year old how selfish was she tuesday with gibbs.
I agree with Julia64 and I would like to add for all we know the reason NCIS got those high rating is because we all though Ziva was going to be killed off.
@S Well put. You totally echo my thoughts re Tony. I particularly liked your point about previously possessed abilities - the old Tony was a crack marksman and a decent fighter, who could look after himself and watch Gibbs' six. Notice how Ziva enters crime site rooms ahead of Tony now. MW has great comic timing, but he's fabulous at the serious stuff, when you combine the two the result is some amazing moments. Now if only the writers/producers/directors would take note.
@Timothy - I was just commenting on the Tony humiliation moment of the week and how this formula which now passes as the show's "humor" moment, never varies. Tony is ALWAYS the butt monkey in the obligatory comic moment. I know that MW has considerable comedic talent, but why does it always have to be humiliation humor? The writers seem so desperate to write that moment, that they've essentially transformed Tony from the clever and hot street smart, "work smarter not harder" investigator, to a guy who ALWAYS loses in the bullpen, embarrassingly strikes out with the ladies, and has lost formerly possessed abilities, just so we can see other characters shine or have our comic moment. But you are right about one thing - at least after we had the everyone at NCIS knows about Tim's tikt connection but Tony scene, we actually did have some competent Tony, and Ducky and Palmer were a refreshing change of pace.
Oops ran out of room again. .... Off to enjoy an early season episode!
On the subject of viewing figs it should be noted that the new series started with 20.48m with the IMO (following last season's truly exciting cliff hanger) slightly disappointing opening episode (for an example of a tense post bomb ep, the writers might want to reference 'Diagnosis Murder - Resurrection') after which the figures dropped across several weeks to a low of 16.47m. It took the emotionally charged Shabbat Shalom and Shiva featuring a decidedly more mature Tony, to bring the figures back to an all time high of 22.86 m. The series is loved for its fantastic cast and characters and I fail to see why giving Tony some of his mojo back and perhaps a glimpse of some of the old Gibbs/DiNozzo relationship would be in any way detrimental to the audience figs and IMO would likely gladden the hearts of those loyal fans who have watched the series from the start and are saddened to see the slow demise of one of their favourite characters. Apologies for the tirade. Right I'm off to enjo
Excuse me, but was I watching the wrong episode? Comical dispute with McGee over concert tickets aside, at no time in this episode was DiNozzo depicted as incompetent (wasn't he the one who came up with the evidence proving that "Gordon Roth" was an impostor?) Over all, I thought this was a pretty good episode spotlighting Mr. Peabody and his boy, Sherman AKA Ducky and Jimmy, so why did this have to turn into yet another "DiBozo the Clown" debate?
And yet the show continues to increase in viewers. So whatever they are doing with the characters is working and they aren't changing anything nor should they.
I think they do a great job making Tony serious and fun at the same time. We all know people in our lives who are both so why can't a TV character. I thought the episode was good because of just seeing Ducky and Palmer get more time. It would get boring if it just about Tony and Ziva all the time.
Tony/MW is the main reason that I watch NCIS. I'm completely saddened by the increasingly diminished importance that his character suffered once DPB left as show runner. The ptb seem to habitually rely on Tony to provide each episodes humor which is unvaryingly humiliating. In the old days, Tony was funny, but it wasn't ALWAYS because he was the butt of the joke. I just don't know if the writers are capable or allowed to write anything that strays from this over used formula now. What a waste and a shame. I miss old NCIS, where Tony was allowed to be portrayed as truly competent, heroic, and brilliant, and Gibbs supported this. I haven't seen this Tony in years. MW's considerable and varied talents and his ability to create a multi dimensional character, IMO, being quite wasted now, so we can have yet another boring victim Ziva arc.
I love Tony but seems to me that over the years (and season 10 in particular) rather than evolving Tony has regressed into a less mature two dimensional character. People talk about not wanting a new Tony, I'd just like to see a lot more of the old one. For the most part Tony was previously written as a bright, thoughtful and highly competent investigator - to quote Gibbs "the finest young agent I've ever worked with" - offset by a smattering of smart, witty dialogue. Michael Weatherly is a hugely talented actor and deserves a great deal more to get his teeth into. I've seen it happen in long running series before where for some unknown reason the smart wise cracking guy turns into a silly irritating clown. And to be blunt, not necessarily a good look for a more 'mature' actor. Silly question - but is it a requirement for every new NCIS writer to watch every episode of every series before they are allowed to put pen to paper?!
I agree that Tony does bring the funny and MW is a very talented actor. He can do comedy and the serious scenes so well and he blends them perfectly into every scene.
Having said that, I really don't find the humiliation humor funny at all. In the last few seasons, we've learned that Tony is old, fat, homely, smells bad, is stupid, incompetent, everyone hates him and he can't be trusted.
So what's the punch line?
Maybe it's an age/generational thing. I'm in my late 30s and just don't get it.
If I had to compare that humor to any other show, it would have to be iCarly. Very young, like pre-teen young and easy.
I'm pretty sure the writers can do better. Tony is such complex, multi-faceted character, and many of the writers are super talented. It should be fun to write him without having to take the low road every week.
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